Comments on: Obama and McCain “debate” over Iran http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:06:54 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303866 Scroop Moth Tue, 20 May 2008 22:13:22 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303866 JOEL MARK: You seem to be saying at #26 that because terrorists cause harm, we need to draw lessons from them about how to form judgments about things. That's why you take inventory of the thought world of terrorists and allow their beliefs to measure the beliefs of others. This surprises me. The minds of people who resort to terrorism work on a different plane of reality than the minds of people who don't employ terrorism. Our brains are the same, but our minds are different. Comparing Osama bin Ladin with Jeremiah Obama is comparing apples and oranges. It might even be crazy. Shouldn't OBL's beliefs be irrelevant to what we think or don't think? I'd give you the benefit of the doubt, JOEL, if I learned of co-incidents between your opinions and OBL's, and would not demand that you affirm something because OBL believed the opposite. Think about it. If your object is to show that the world's grievances against the US are illegitimate, you have to do more than disqualify an advocate for those grievances. You're entitled to argue that terrorism doesn't legitimate grievances, but beware the claim that the existence of terrorism makes the grievances illegitimate. Remember, the thought world of terrorism doesn't determine our thought world. JOEL MARK: You seem to be saying at #26 that because terrorists cause harm, we need to draw lessons from them about how to form judgments about things. That’s why you take inventory of the thought world of terrorists and allow their beliefs to measure the beliefs of others. This surprises me. The minds of people who resort to terrorism work on a different plane of reality than the minds of people who don’t employ terrorism. Our brains are the same, but our minds are different. Comparing Osama bin Ladin with Jeremiah Obama is comparing apples and oranges. It might even be crazy. Shouldn’t OBL’s beliefs be irrelevant to what we think or don’t think? I’d give you the benefit of the doubt, JOEL, if I learned of co-incidents between your opinions and OBL’s, and would not demand that you affirm something because OBL believed the opposite.

Think about it. If your object is to show that the world’s grievances against the US are illegitimate, you have to do more than disqualify an advocate for those grievances. You’re entitled to argue that terrorism doesn’t legitimate grievances, but beware the claim that the existence of terrorism makes the grievances illegitimate. Remember, the thought world of terrorism doesn’t determine our thought world.

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]]> By: StuBob http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303856 StuBob Tue, 20 May 2008 22:00:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303856 "McCain's stupid." "Obama's stupid." "You're stupid." blah, blah, blah. But, there's this Iran situation. What do you smarties think the United States should do? “McCain’s stupid.”

“Obama’s stupid.”

“You’re stupid.”

blah, blah, blah.

But, there’s this Iran situation. What do you smarties think the United States should do?

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]]> By: GodLumps http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303826 GodLumps Tue, 20 May 2008 21:04:04 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303826 Try scrolling SG. Love your Bush avatar. Try scrolling SG. Love your Bush avatar.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303777 Scroop Moth Tue, 20 May 2008 20:02:13 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303777 "Diplomacy involves talking to your enemies. You don't reward your enemies necessarily by talking to them if you are tough and you know what you are doing. You don't appease them. <b>Talking to an enemy is not in my view appeasement.</b>" -- former Sec. State James Baker. “Diplomacy involves talking to your enemies. You don’t reward your enemies necessarily by talking to them if you are tough and you know what you are doing. You don’t appease them. Talking to an enemy is not in my view appeasement.” — former Sec. State James Baker.

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]]> By: Serious George http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303776 Serious George Tue, 20 May 2008 20:01:01 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303776 You really should consider contributing something other than droppings for folks to step around, Godlumps. You really should consider contributing something other than droppings for folks to step around, Godlumps.

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]]> By: Serious George http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303775 Serious George Tue, 20 May 2008 20:00:09 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303775 This past Sunday NYTimes Magazine article on McCain's apparent changes in approach to foreign intervention is a good read. This past Sunday NYTimes Magazine article on McCain’s apparent changes in approach to foreign intervention is a good read.

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]]> By: GodLumps http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303764 GodLumps Tue, 20 May 2008 19:40:37 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303764 Who ever gets the job will have a mess to clean up after Bush is gone. What a disaster he has been. Who ever gets the job will have a mess to clean up after Bush is gone. What a disaster he has been.

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]]> By: GodLumps http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303763 GodLumps Tue, 20 May 2008 19:38:57 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303763 SG-Why does my stance need anything. McCain's record of votes and words speak for him very clearly. No way would I vote for a man like him. He's a lose cannon and has switched his position like a daisy in the wind so many times it would make John Kerry look good. SG-Why does my stance need anything. McCain’s record of votes and words speak for him very clearly. No way would I vote for a man like him. He’s a lose cannon and has switched his position like a daisy in the wind so many times it would make John Kerry look good.

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]]> By: StuBob http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303620 StuBob Tue, 20 May 2008 15:52:13 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303620 Well, <i>what should we do</i> about Iran? "Talking to them" is an invitation to disaster. Whether military action is a good idea or not, the Public doesn't have the stomach for it. Is there another option? Well, what should we do about Iran?

“Talking to them” is an invitation to disaster. Whether military action is a good idea or not, the Public doesn’t have the stomach for it. Is there another option?

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/comment-page-1/#comment-303487 Joel Mark Tue, 20 May 2008 11:55:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/19/obama-and-mccain-debate-over-iran/#comment-303487 Anlire wrote; "And I’m so gonna laugh my head off at them." If it takes the hurt or disappointment of others to get you to laugh, Anlir, you need a serious spiritual check-up. Anlir continued, "If man with the funny sounding name pulls it off and makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., I promise to gloat about it on here for a very long time." Knick yourself out, Anlir, but if Obama makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I promise to continue to be patriotic, to love my country, to communicfate on her behalf, and work to make her as healthy and strong as possible in spite of the obsticles. And there will be much work to do. And I don't make promises easily. Anlire wrote; “And I’m so gonna laugh my head off at them.”

If it takes the hurt or disappointment of others to get you to laugh, Anlir, you need a serious spiritual check-up.

Anlir continued, “If man with the funny sounding name pulls it off and makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave., I promise to gloat about it on here for a very long time.”

Knick yourself out, Anlir, but if Obama makes it to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave, I promise to continue to be patriotic, to love my country, to communicfate on her behalf, and work to make her as healthy and strong as possible in spite of the obsticles. And there will be much work to do.

And I don’t make promises easily.

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