Comments on: I do, to you and your name http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:38:07 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Spinoza http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307817 Spinoza Tue, 03 Jun 2008 23:16:01 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307817 "If Shirley Jones married Tom Ewell, then Johnny Rotten, then Nathan Hale, she'd be Shirley Ewell-Rotten-Hale." “If Shirley Jones married Tom Ewell, then Johnny Rotten, then Nathan Hale, she’d be Shirley Ewell-Rotten-Hale.”

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]]> By: klasko http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307607 klasko Tue, 03 Jun 2008 16:18:14 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307607 I did a Bible Study on the whole concept of covenant, which marriage is. Part of the covenant relationship is the exchange of identities. When the wife takes her husband's name, she is symbolically taking on his identity - she is identified with him. Personally, I like it. I did a Bible Study on the whole concept of covenant, which marriage is. Part of the covenant relationship is the exchange of identities. When the wife takes her husband’s name, she is symbolically taking on his identity – she is identified with him. Personally, I like it.

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]]> By: Bianca http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307523 Bianca Tue, 03 Jun 2008 12:35:20 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307523 36 - That's right. When a wife refuses to take her husband's name she is ultimately rebelling against the created order, the scriptures and the Creator Himself. God named Adam and Adam named his wife. Mankind did not name himself. Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is He that hath made us and not we ourselves; we are his people and the sheep of his pasture. Psalm 100:3, AV 36 – That’s right. When a wife refuses to take her husband’s name she is ultimately rebelling against the created order, the scriptures and the Creator Himself. God named Adam and Adam named his wife. Mankind did not name himself.

Know ye that the Lord he is God: it is He that hath made us and not we ourselves; we are his people and the sheep of his pasture. Psalm 100:3, AV

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]]> By: annelisefrench http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307490 annelisefrench Tue, 03 Jun 2008 05:21:03 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307490 Genesis 5 1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; 2 male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created. I recall having a conversation with my mom about this issue of taking a man's name and this is the verse she quoted. Seemed to fit the bill. God called THEM Adam. They were joined by his name. Not Adam-Eve. She also mentioned the idea that even if you keep your maiden name, it belonged to a man, not your husband, but your father, which someone has mentioned. I would rather identify myself with my husband than my father as a married woman- the idea is to leave your home and cleave to another. Genesis 5
1 This is the book of the generations of Adam. In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him;

2 male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam, in the day when they were created.

I recall having a conversation with my mom about this issue of taking a man’s name and this is the verse she quoted. Seemed to fit the bill.
God called THEM Adam. They were joined by his name. Not Adam-Eve.
She also mentioned the idea that even if you keep your maiden name, it belonged to a man, not your husband, but your father, which someone has mentioned. I would rather identify myself with my husband than my father as a married woman- the idea is to leave your home and cleave to another.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307275 SteveG Mon, 02 Jun 2008 12:52:19 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307275 KRM: Obviously hyphenation can't go on forever. But as long as there is flexibility in married names, Joe Able-Baker and Sue Casey-Decker can become Joe and Sue Able-Decker, or Joe and Sue Baker-Casey or Joe and Sue Johnson. The same flexibility that makes hyphenation possible in the first place also prevents it from becoming too extreme. KRM: Obviously hyphenation can’t go on forever. But as long as there is flexibility in married names, Joe Able-Baker and Sue Casey-Decker can become Joe and Sue Able-Decker, or Joe and Sue Baker-Casey or Joe and Sue Johnson.

The same flexibility that makes hyphenation possible in the first place also prevents it from becoming too extreme.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307251 SteveG Mon, 02 Jun 2008 04:41:54 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307251 TomBob: "I wish you all could be single like I am, but since most of you aren't capable of that, it's better to marry than to burn with lust." That's Paul's so-uplifting advice to "young lovers." <i>Although it seems totally impossible to modern indoctrinated liberals, women and men are designed differently, mentally, emotionally, and physically.</i> Why do you assume that's so "impossible" for us "modern indoctrinated liberals" to believe? Of COURSE men and women are different. It's obvious. But that doesn't mean women are by nature subservient. I do agree that Paul's model of marital devotion is a good one, in that it reminds men that their role is a self-sacrificial one and both that marriage is a two-way street. TomBob:
“I wish you all could be single like I am, but since most of you aren’t capable of that, it’s better to marry than to burn with lust.” That’s Paul’s so-uplifting advice to “young lovers.”

Although it seems totally impossible to modern indoctrinated liberals, women and men are designed differently, mentally, emotionally, and physically.

Why do you assume that’s so “impossible” for us “modern indoctrinated liberals” to believe? Of COURSE men and women are different. It’s obvious. But that doesn’t mean women are by nature subservient.

I do agree that Paul’s model of marital devotion is a good one, in that it reminds men that their role is a self-sacrificial one and both that marriage is a two-way street.

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307220 krm Mon, 02 Jun 2008 00:58:35 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307220 Able and Baker become Able-Baker. Casey and Decker become Casey-Decker. Their kids join to become Able-Baker-Casey-Decker. Their kids end up being Able-Baker-Casey-Decker-Evans-Fisher-Galloway-Higgins. Able and Baker become Able-Baker.
Casey and Decker become Casey-Decker.

Their kids join to become Able-Baker-Casey-Decker.

Their kids end up being Able-Baker-Casey-Decker-Evans-Fisher-Galloway-Higgins.

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]]> By: Bianca http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-307189 Bianca Sun, 01 Jun 2008 20:57:11 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-307189 29 - Amen. It's heaven on earth. 29 – Amen. It’s heaven on earth.

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]]> By: JBH http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-306892 JBH Sat, 31 May 2008 03:16:32 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-306892 Tombob, Right on with your last post! I believe the passage is 1 Cor. 11. You can also check out Eph. 5 and Col. 3 for similar passages. Tombob,
Right on with your last post! I believe the passage is 1 Cor. 11. You can also check out Eph. 5 and Col. 3 for similar passages.

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]]> By: JBH http://online.worldmag.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/comment-page-1/#comment-306890 JBH Sat, 31 May 2008 03:14:20 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/05/30/i-do-to-you-and-your-name/#comment-306890 The main reason why I am against hyphenating last names: I know people whose mothers decided to keep or hyphenate their last name, and so they end up with a hyphenated last name. Now suppose two people with hyphenated last names choose to get married. What do they do for their children's last names? Do the children end up with doubly hyphenated last names, so we end up with someone with a last name of Smith-Jones-Johnson-Anderson? Personally I think its just too confusing. The main reason why I am against hyphenating last names:
I know people whose mothers decided to keep or hyphenate their last name, and so they end up with a hyphenated last name. Now suppose two people with hyphenated last names choose to get married. What do they do for their children’s last names? Do the children end up with doubly hyphenated last names, so we end up with someone with a last name of Smith-Jones-Johnson-Anderson? Personally I think its just too confusing.

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