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		<title>By: Karen O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Karen O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 00:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a shame when families use mean-spirited or sarcastic humor against each other.

There is a kind of gentle teasing-with-love that we do in our family.  But we don&#039;t tease about subjects that we know are touchy or hurtful. And we don&#039;t overdo it.  

For instance, my husband can tease me about my lack of good balance (he calls me a Weeble), but he won&#039;t tease me about my weight.

I can gently tease him about his occasional absent-mindedness, but I would never impugn his intelligence.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a shame when families use mean-spirited or sarcastic humor against each other.</p>
<p>There is a kind of gentle teasing-with-love that we do in our family.  But we don&#8217;t tease about subjects that we know are touchy or hurtful. And we don&#8217;t overdo it.  </p>
<p>For instance, my husband can tease me about my lack of good balance (he calls me a Weeble), but he won&#8217;t tease me about my weight.</p>
<p>I can gently tease him about his occasional absent-mindedness, but I would never impugn his intelligence.
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:13:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauline, yeah, there really are.

I have a brother who&#039;s several years older than me, but last time I visited him, when he was about 40, it struck me how juvenile his humor still was. One night at dinner he and his wife and kids, me, and one or two of our brothers were present. I said something, and my brother pretended to catch me in a contradiction, so he accused me of lying. To him it was in good &quot;fun,&quot; but to me I was accused of lying in front of his children, and that wasn&#039;t funny. I tried to defend myself, and he kept it going. His wife finally told me to give it up. The whole visit I realized that he did that kind of &quot;catching you in a trap&quot; with everybody. It would have completely disgusted me to deal with it all the time, as his family had to.

When I was about 20, I was part of a youth group that did that stuff routinely. I got very good at it, and later had to break the habit. But it&#039;s a juvenile habit, annoying to others, and way too easy to step over the line and truly say the wrong thing. (I once completely offended my sister in such a regard. She was spending the night with me and she asked to borrow a pair of pants to put on over her PJs. I loaned her a pair, but told her she&#039;d never be able to zip them up--I barely could zip them without anything underneath them, and she was putting them on over PJs. She tried and failed to zip them, and I said, &quot;Boy, you&#039;re fat.&quot; She burst into tears. She was a size six, trying to zip pants that I&#039;d told her couldn&#039;t be zipped--to me it was fairly obvious I didn&#039;t really think she was fat. But my silly comment still really hurt her in an area where, unknown to me, she was sensitive.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauline, yeah, there really are.</p>
<p>I have a brother who&#8217;s several years older than me, but last time I visited him, when he was about 40, it struck me how juvenile his humor still was. One night at dinner he and his wife and kids, me, and one or two of our brothers were present. I said something, and my brother pretended to catch me in a contradiction, so he accused me of lying. To him it was in good &#8220;fun,&#8221; but to me I was accused of lying in front of his children, and that wasn&#8217;t funny. I tried to defend myself, and he kept it going. His wife finally told me to give it up. The whole visit I realized that he did that kind of &#8220;catching you in a trap&#8221; with everybody. It would have completely disgusted me to deal with it all the time, as his family had to.</p>
<p>When I was about 20, I was part of a youth group that did that stuff routinely. I got very good at it, and later had to break the habit. But it&#8217;s a juvenile habit, annoying to others, and way too easy to step over the line and truly say the wrong thing. (I once completely offended my sister in such a regard. She was spending the night with me and she asked to borrow a pair of pants to put on over her PJs. I loaned her a pair, but told her she&#8217;d never be able to zip them up&#8211;I barely could zip them without anything underneath them, and she was putting them on over PJs. She tried and failed to zip them, and I said, &#8220;Boy, you&#8217;re fat.&#8221; She burst into tears. She was a size six, trying to zip pants that I&#8217;d told her couldn&#8217;t be zipped&#8211;to me it was fairly obvious I didn&#8217;t really think she was fat. But my silly comment still really hurt her in an area where, unknown to me, she was sensitive.)
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		<title>By: TL</title>
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		<dc:creator>TL</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:11:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Pauline - sure, there are families like that.  My in-laws are very much like that.  They tend to do more making-fun of each other than any family I have ever met.  Gets old.  And I try to make sure my kids don&#039;t take part, and realize that it isn&#039;t right.  It&#039;s easier that we live 4 hours from them, but still.  It&#039;s unfortunate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pauline &#8211; sure, there are families like that.  My in-laws are very much like that.  They tend to do more making-fun of each other than any family I have ever met.  Gets old.  And I try to make sure my kids don&#8217;t take part, and realize that it isn&#8217;t right.  It&#8217;s easier that we live 4 hours from them, but still.  It&#8217;s unfortunate.
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		<title>By: kBells</title>
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		<dc:creator>kBells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 22:03:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I really can&#039;t think of a child&#039;s book where there is no adult input at all. The parent doesn&#039;t have to be right in the child&#039;s face to have input. Consider the &quot;Little Princess&quot;. Even though the father is not there physically, he is always there influencing Sarah&#039;s decisions and attitudes.  I&#039;d rather see a positive absent parent like that than the negative present parents you see on Nick Jr.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really can&#8217;t think of a child&#8217;s book where there is no adult input at all. The parent doesn&#8217;t have to be right in the child&#8217;s face to have input. Consider the &#8220;Little Princess&#8221;. Even though the father is not there physically, he is always there influencing Sarah&#8217;s decisions and attitudes.  I&#8217;d rather see a positive absent parent like that than the negative present parents you see on Nick Jr.
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		<title>By: Pauline</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pauline</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:42:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t watch shows where people insult each other, regardless of their roles in the family - I just don&#039;t find it funny. I never thought of it as detrimental to the famiy, specifically, just to human relationships in general.

But it also never would have occurred to me - until reading these comments - that anyone, even people who find such shows funny, might think that kind of behavior was acceptable in real life, any more than throwing pies in people&#039;s faces. There really are families where people talk to each other that way?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t watch shows where people insult each other, regardless of their roles in the family &#8211; I just don&#8217;t find it funny. I never thought of it as detrimental to the famiy, specifically, just to human relationships in general.</p>
<p>But it also never would have occurred to me &#8211; until reading these comments &#8211; that anyone, even people who find such shows funny, might think that kind of behavior was acceptable in real life, any more than throwing pies in people&#8217;s faces. There really are families where people talk to each other that way?
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:38:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kbells, yes, it is--but in real life, seven-year-olds don&#039;t solve their own life issues. So if one reads a consistent diet of books in which seven-year-olds solve everything without parental input, doesn&#039;t that encourage too much independence? Consider that &lt;i&gt;Little Women&lt;/i&gt; (in which the girls were teenagers) still had a lot of input from Marmie, and &lt;i&gt;Little House&lt;/i&gt; had a wise, even commanding, father. That didn&#039;t stop the fun. 

Again, I think a mix is needed. Parents do give counsel, and kids seek it. In scenes where parents are absent, kids make choices based on what their parents would want them to do...or they choose otherwise and suffer consequences. No constant parental presence, but book characters who are children shouldn&#039;t come across as orphans or disobedient rebels who get away with their disobedience, either. (In my first book--so far unpublished--my protaganist has been told things that aren&#039;t true. She believes them at first, and when she begins to have doubts, she asks her mom a question or two. After that, she goes to her Bible--conveniently a kids&#039; Bible that has study notes--and begins to figure out how she should respond to the situation. So she has a mix of adult input and figuring things out herself.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kbells, yes, it is&#8211;but in real life, seven-year-olds don&#8217;t solve their own life issues. So if one reads a consistent diet of books in which seven-year-olds solve everything without parental input, doesn&#8217;t that encourage too much independence? Consider that <i>Little Women</i> (in which the girls were teenagers) still had a lot of input from Marmie, and <i>Little House</i> had a wise, even commanding, father. That didn&#8217;t stop the fun. </p>
<p>Again, I think a mix is needed. Parents do give counsel, and kids seek it. In scenes where parents are absent, kids make choices based on what their parents would want them to do&#8230;or they choose otherwise and suffer consequences. No constant parental presence, but book characters who are children shouldn&#8217;t come across as orphans or disobedient rebels who get away with their disobedience, either. (In my first book&#8211;so far unpublished&#8211;my protaganist has been told things that aren&#8217;t true. She believes them at first, and when she begins to have doubts, she asks her mom a question or two. After that, she goes to her Bible&#8211;conveniently a kids&#8217; Bible that has study notes&#8211;and begins to figure out how she should respond to the situation. So she has a mix of adult input and figuring things out herself.)
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		<title>By: kBells</title>
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		<dc:creator>kBells</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 21:29:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl D, #13. Isn&#039;t that writing 101? The protagonist should be the master of their own fate in the end. That doesn&#039;t mean the mentor or parent isn&#039;t there in the beginning giving them what they need at the point of crisis. That&#039;s parenting 101. You won&#039;t always be there when they have to make a critical decision so hope you have prepared them to make the right one. 

Also I never thought the humor on Cosby was at all nasty.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl D, #13. Isn&#8217;t that writing 101? The protagonist should be the master of their own fate in the end. That doesn&#8217;t mean the mentor or parent isn&#8217;t there in the beginning giving them what they need at the point of crisis. That&#8217;s parenting 101. You won&#8217;t always be there when they have to make a critical decision so hope you have prepared them to make the right one. </p>
<p>Also I never thought the humor on Cosby was at all nasty.
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		<title>By: kimberly</title>
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		<dc:creator>kimberly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 20:24:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kayvee--Agreed. I rewatched the Cheaper by the Dozen remake with Steve What&#039;s-his-face in it the other day and was reminded why I don&#039;t like it: 

It&#039;s a bunch of kids who don&#039;t respect their father and his vision and aren&#039;t willing to work with him. They&#039;re selfish brats (granted, the father needs to work some things through too) who sass their father constantly and do nothing to help with the family. 

And we see this as the norm these days ... even OK.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kayvee&#8211;Agreed. I rewatched the Cheaper by the Dozen remake with Steve What&#8217;s-his-face in it the other day and was reminded why I don&#8217;t like it: </p>
<p>It&#8217;s a bunch of kids who don&#8217;t respect their father and his vision and aren&#8217;t willing to work with him. They&#8217;re selfish brats (granted, the father needs to work some things through too) who sass their father constantly and do nothing to help with the family. </p>
<p>And we see this as the norm these days &#8230; even OK.
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		<title>By: mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:51:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl D. Once again, wise thoughts. I think the answer is that in real life, the ideal situation is one in which parents nurture their children in the Lord and use every opportunity to help them practice that. Thus, the mother doesn&#039;t step in to solve a problem, but rather coaches the child (in an age-appropriate manner) through the situation using Biblical principles. Even when a parent must  provide the solution or step in to bail the child out of a sticky situation they&#039;ve gotten themselves into, it can be a beautiful lesson about grace.

I don&#039;t suppose that would make a very popular TV show. It won&#039;t even be very popular around here with several of our posters.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl D. Once again, wise thoughts. I think the answer is that in real life, the ideal situation is one in which parents nurture their children in the Lord and use every opportunity to help them practice that. Thus, the mother doesn&#8217;t step in to solve a problem, but rather coaches the child (in an age-appropriate manner) through the situation using Biblical principles. Even when a parent must  provide the solution or step in to bail the child out of a sticky situation they&#8217;ve gotten themselves into, it can be a beautiful lesson about grace.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t suppose that would make a very popular TV show. It won&#8217;t even be very popular around here with several of our posters.
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		<title>By: KayVee</title>
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		<dc:creator>KayVee</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Jun 2008 19:47:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What I find really sad is the nastiness of the kids towards their parents. The mouthy, smarter-than-the-parents kid has become the norm, and the parents rarely even &lt;b&gt;react&lt;/b&gt; to the kid&#039;s lack of respect, much less punish him/her. A prime example is the middle kid on Tim Allen&#039;s &lt;i&gt;Home Improvement.&lt;/i&gt; That boy was always insulting the father and never chastised for it. True, Tim&#039;s character was supposed to be not-too-bright and clumsy, but his son should not have constantly been making wisecracks about it.

As for Lohan and Richards: they&#039;re a couple of train wrecks looking for their 15 minutes of fame at the expense of their kid&#039;s childhood.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What I find really sad is the nastiness of the kids towards their parents. The mouthy, smarter-than-the-parents kid has become the norm, and the parents rarely even <b>react</b> to the kid&#8217;s lack of respect, much less punish him/her. A prime example is the middle kid on Tim Allen&#8217;s <i>Home Improvement.</i> That boy was always insulting the father and never chastised for it. True, Tim&#8217;s character was supposed to be not-too-bright and clumsy, but his son should not have constantly been making wisecracks about it.</p>
<p>As for Lohan and Richards: they&#8217;re a couple of train wrecks looking for their 15 minutes of fame at the expense of their kid&#8217;s childhood.
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