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Whirled Views 6.16
Happy Monday!
Today’s quote is from an LDS church apostle: “May we never let the things we can’t have, or don’t have, or shouldn’t have, spoil our enjoyment of the things we do have and can have. As we value our happiness let us not forget it, for one of the greatest lessons in life is learning to be happy without the things we cannot or should not have.”
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Sounds like this spiel is little more than a “Sorry we cannot afford it, gals” speech some LDS’er gave to his wives.
But sound advice nonetheless. An old chap I know confided that at age 55 he realized he no longer even wanted the things he could at last finally afford.
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How many Senators got these sweetheart deals from Fannie Mae? Can anyone clearly explain Barack’s connection to the Countrywide Home Loans folks? Seems odd to bewail a mortgage crisis if you’ve been enriched by a mortgage company.
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What did everyone’s kids do for them on Father’s Day? Tess and Helena treated me to Little Caesar’s and a trip to the officer’s club pool.
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I took our five year old to the dollar store and let him pick out a couple of things to buy for his dad with his own money. He bought Daddy a game they could play together and a purple pen with a marti gras looking clown head on the top, because “Daddy is always looking for a pen”.
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KBells, You need a picture of his dad using that pen! lol!
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I told him he had to take it to work and use it or his son would be devastated.
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I don’t know what I got for Father’s day yet. The oldest son called me and wished me a happy Father’s day, we spoke for a while and then he told be to expect a package in a few days.
He said it would be cool. Maybe he took the hint and bought me that USB Missile launcher….
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I’m taking a trip up to Johnson City TN in a coupla weeks. Besides the Biltmore House, is there anything that y’all consider a “Must See” while I’m up that way?
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Hey friends–I have a question for you crafty folks. Maybe some of our woodworking friends would have an answer. Is there a way to preserve bamboo? The other day, my 7 year old cut a 6 inch piece of bamboo, hollowed out the part that wasn’t hollow, and put clover flowers and daisies in it as a surprise for me. It was actually really pretty, and I thought it would be neat to make a bunch of theses “natural vases” (we have soooooo much bamboo around our place). Does anyone know?
Chas, you mentioned a few days ago that you and your lovely wife went to the Highlands where you honeymooned. Just wondering where that is. It’s not by any chance Highland VA (where hubby and I honeymooned), is it? For anyone who hasn’t visited Highland VA (Monterey, Blue Grass Valley, etc.) it’s a must, especially in the fall. We go back once or twice a year for day trips.
Kim, I wanted to let you know I have been praying for you. I didn’t mention it last week because so many told you the same. But I was praying for you then, and I will continue. I know the hardest times are when everything else seems to “go back to normal.” I’m very much a Daddy’s girl, and can’t even imagine losing him. You are a sweet gal; I’ve always enjoyed reading your posts because I can hear that southern twang in your words. Hang in there, girl.
Off to plan a baby shower for a dear friend; still a little bittersweet for me.
Blessings!
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Mom O’ 4
Yes Bamboo is pretty much like any other wood. They even laminate it, and make flooring out of it because it is so hard.
It should be fine like it is if kept indoors. You might want to spray some lacquer on it just to protect it somewhat. It would keep the bugs out at least.
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Here’s an interesting rundown on why it’s the Democrat’s fault that the price of oil has gone up so much:
http://www.americanthinker.com/2008/06/top_10_reasons_to_blame_democr_1.html
Kinda makes ya mad – especially when you see that it’s the Dem’s (and not Bush) who pushed the ethanol package. Even more maddening is that Bush was trying to do the very things that would have made the price of oil drop, and the Dems blocked it…
It’s all the whacko liberal’s fault.
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Make it,
Its sad to see where Obama’s “new idea” is just Jimmy Carter part Deux.
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Thank you Make It Man! I was hoping you would weigh in. I don’t know anything about this stuff–can I get the lacquer at a store like Lowe’s? Is there a brand you suggest?
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Highlands is 47 miles west of Hendersonville, NC as the helicopter would go. It is 58mi according to the odometer, on US 64. The difference is up and down and round and round. It takes 1.5 hours to get there. That is 38 mph. Actually, it’s worse than that because the road to Brevard is good; highway speed. We found the cabin where we stayed 51 years ago. I had my camera with me but forgot to take a picture. I wanted to get the grey haired lady standing in front of the decrepid old cabin where this pretty young thing stayed 51 years ago. We may have to go back now that we’ve located it.
There’s an article in todays paper: “Clayburn earmarks may benefit his family”. Seems Rep. James Clayburn, D. S.C. had 32 earmarks for $38.8 million in the budget. Other SC lawmakers had combined earmarks of $45.5m. Much of Clayburn’s earmarks directly benefits his kin in some way.
My point of this is:
It doesn’t matter. The people of eastern S.C. don’t care. They will re-elect Clauburn.
“Our democracy will last until people learn that they can vote themselves money from the treasury.”
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Well, the Ranger is out of commission until that part comes in to keep the door from swinging open. The Mustang broke last weekend on the camping trip. The Ford diesel broke yesterday at church. Wonder what I am going to do to break the pastor and wife’s car? As always, we can see the Lord’s Hand as they all happened in the best of places. The flowers are blooming, the breeze is blowing and the sun is shining. God is in control. By the way, a cell phone would not have helped in any of those cases.
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Advice from an LDS church “apostle”?
What is going on with this magazine?
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MO4,
Yes you can get clear lacquer from Lowes. “Deft” is one brand, but there are others I’m sure. You may be able to get clear in a cheaper brand in the spray paint section.
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David L – It’s merely a quote, & with a good point, too. It doesn’t mean that either World or their blog is endorsing the Mormons.
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Father’s Day – We celebrated by also celebrating, with other family members, our younger daughter’s 16th birthday (which was last Tues.) My husband was happy to make it a special day for his little sweetheart. And Chrissy, the birthday girl, made a really nice card for her dad, which made him feel good.
Our older daughter, Emily (the 19-yr. old who doesn’t live here anymore) came over & made a German Choc. cake for her dad (his favorite), & initiated a good hug with him before she left later. They have had tensions in their relationship, so Emily doing this for her dad was special, & touched his heart.
I wrote him a letter about what a good, faithful husband & father he’s been, & how much he’s appreciated. That touched him, too, he said.
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Sawgunner,
The connection is Jim Johnson, the man who “quit” Obama’s VP vetting team in the last week or so. It’s also why he quit. Check out American Thinker, or the WSJ. Here’s a link to an AT story on the topic. It also has a link to WSJ.
http://tinyurl.com/5d96a9
MIM,
Don’t you just love American Thinker? It’s one of my favs. You should check out the Thank You Big Oil post as well.
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Anybody remember Elian Gonzalez, the kid stolen from a relatives home by Janet Reno and her thugs, so he could be returned to his father in Cuba? Well now he’s a commie! Thanks Janet! Watch the video.
http://tinyurl.com/5rgw4x
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Momoffour. Thank you. I had dated a guy for a number of years and finally, finally walked away. He called me Thursday to tell me he was sorry and ask what he could do. I told him I had thought my heart would break when I walked away from him, but it didn’t. It broke Wednesday morning. I appreciate the continued prayers.
Chas, I wanted to give you a smart answer about the speckled butterbeans like you have to go buy them from Miss Dolly and shell them yourself, but the truth is, you just have to know which section of the frozen foods to look in at Bruno’s.
For everyone else…I did talk to George. He told me he will always love me but he is not in love with me and doubts I am in love with him. He described us as a brother and sister and told me we would always have each other in our lives because of Chloe but that he has someone special in his life now.
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Kim – I’m sorry it didn’t work out with George, but I’m glad the 2 of you can be friends for Chloe’s sake.
Also, please be careful of your ex-boyfriend. You are in a very vulnerable place right now, & it would be so easy to “fall into his arms again”, as it were.
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Hey, UNC basketball fans (McLean?); Lawson and Ellington will be back next year.
I still say anybody who has a good chance of getting picked in the first round ought to declare. Everybody else gets paid, it’s only right the players should, too.
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Kim,
I’m still praying for you. I’m so sorry you’ve lost your father.
I’m not looking forward to the day I lose either of my parents. The time is drawing ever closer too. I was going to tell you about a time a few years ago when I nearly lost my father. He had an aneurysm on the back of his knee. They bypassed it, and the bypass didn’t take. The loss of bloodflow and resulting infection killed his lower leg. Rather than try to keep it and risk death, he told them to take it off. Most men his age never walk again after an above the knee amputation.
Dad’s a fighter though, and today he gets around on a computerised leg. I just spoke to him last week and he’s still getting out in his smithy, and still going to historic re-enactments as a one legged blacksmith.
Please tell George from me, that God didn’t tell us to be “in love”. He commanded us to love one another. Do you think that he would tell us to do something that “just happens naturally” or do you think he would tell us to do something he expects us to do despite the difficulty?
Find me a man who says he “fell out of love” with his wife, and I’ll show you a man who has fallen out of repentance. When they say that, I know that they have made a choice to quit loving their spouse and do what they want to do.
My wife wanted to leave me for years, but finally decided that her obedience to God was more important than her immediate satisfaction.
Thats the love I’m talking about. We choose to love or not to love.
Studies have shown that those who leave their spouse are still unhappy 5 years later, and those who stuck it out, are usually happy 5 years later. I know it’s true for me and my wife.
That’s the hard truth from someone who has been through a difficult time in their marriage.
I highly recommend a book that was reviewed here not too long ago. It’s called Sacred Marriage by a guy last name of Thomas. I’d give George a copy if I was nearby….
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#21 AJ,
Hard to believe, but at the very time the Immigration folks were so bent out of shape about a motherless little Cuban boy the 9/11 skyjackers were living in the USA unmolested by any immigration officials.
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Here’s a question for discussion (two interwoven questions, I guess): If your church has a nursery, are members required to work in it? If they are required, does the leadership allow exemptions if the member has a good enough reason to be exempt?
This is not a mere “academic” question for me. It seems to me that more and more churches are requiring members to serve in the nursery, which I personally believe isn’t a good idea. (I think families should worship together; have a nursery for those who want one, but don’t require anyone to work in it. A person might be dealing with infertility, or be bad with kids, or even not legally be allowed to work with kids. This simply isn’t a wise requirement, in my mind.)
In my church, members are required to serve, but my elders went to bat for me when I said I’m a single woman who lives and works alone, and drives 18 miles to church–when I get there, I need to worship with other believers, not babysit. (I see the benefit of caring for others’ kids. But not in place of public worship.) And since I wasn’t raised in a nursery and wouldn’t put my own children in one, I feel no moral obligation to serve. Recently my sister, mother of several kids including three who are four and under (none of them in the nursery) was told that she can’t be exempted anymore–even though her kids have to go with her if she is in the nursery, which rather defeats any benefit her presence might offer! (She and her husband are “appealing” the decision, and to make a long story short they may have to leave the church over it.)
Has anyone else dealt with this issue, from any angle?
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Our church is strictly volunteer Cheryl. We do have “arm twisters” though. It’s a never ending task to round up volunteers to teach children’s Sunday School, provide childcare for the younger children, or to cook lunch.
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Cheryl, not much gets me hot under the collar when it comes to churches the way “requiring” STRONG ARMING someone into doing something they either don’t want to do or do not feel led to do. I loved teaching school, but the truth about me is that even though I love my child and I loved my students, I simply don’t like some children and being around them makes me want to jump out of my skin. I also simply do not like to change poopy diapers. Even when I was a teenager I did not babysit unless they were potty trained.
I also went through infertility and if I had been required to be in the nursery at that time it would have been an emotional hardship on me.
I also think that parents of small children need the peace and quiet time in the church either with or without their children to focus on God.
The church I attend has a paid nursery workers. One attends the Presbyterian Church at 11 am and works from 8 am to 10:30 at the Episcopal. There are other paid workers who fill in.
I would DEFINATELY leave a church over this and if enough did, I would hope the church would change it’s thinking. Also as you stated some people are not allowed to be around children and it might be that others don’t know “that person” who did whatever. I remember in real estate I worked with a lady who was showing property to some acquaintances of hers (she met them through mutual friends and had socialized some).
The man had been accused of date rape when he was in college and before DNA testing. It was a he said she said situation but he still has to register as a sex offender. That isn’t who he is today but it still follows him around. It really opened my eyes to some things we think are good laws but may not always be. (This couple now has grown children an he has never had another offense. I would not want to have to share that information with my church and wouldn’t want someone else to have to either.
God calls all of us for different purposes and some aren’t called to care for children.
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Cheryl–I feel your pain. I have four children, and all of them went through the nursery. But I am actually coming around to the idea of “family worship” now. I don’t like the idea of people being forced to work nursery. I agree that there are several people who SHOULDN’T work in the nursery. I do, however, see another side to it. It is *verry* hard to get people to work with the kids during church time. I don’t have any family around, and have always been a stay-at-home mom (no adult interaction…) So it was nice to have just one hour a week where I could actually learn something from another Christian. I REALLY appreciated those nursery workers. To be honest, I got quite annoyed with the older women who had the “I’ve already raised my own kids and now I’m done with it” attitude. It had such an impact on me that I vowed that when I am in that position, I would be willing to help the younger moms. Now, that doesn’t mean work in the nursery–I mean it in a more broad sense. I wish someone would have said, “Let me come over and show you how I do this”, or “Let me watch the kids for an hour so you can actually think when you grocery shop.”
BUT, I do agree with you that it should never be a forced thing. Nursery workers are doing a service for the Lord; just like any other service, if their heart is not in it b/c they are being forced, it counts for nothing.
There’s my 2 cents, for what its worth.
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Cheryl D.,
I have been in a lot of churches over the years and have never encountered one where working in the nursery was required. Or any other ministry, for that matter. Strongly urged, yes, and expected to take a turn if you had kids in the nursery. But never required. Never any question of having to allow “exemptions.”
I think it’s a bad idea for all the reasons you mention. At our church you have to have a background check in order to be allowed to work in the nursery. And they certainly wouldn’t want someone taking care of those precious little ones who didn’t want to be there.
There are times when someone has to help out who prefers a different ministry. I normally work with 5- to 7-year-olds, but I help in the nursery or preschool room for special holiday services (when there are multiple services and I can worship at one and work the nursery for another). But there is something wrong when the church leadership is trying to push people into a ministry who don’t want to be there. Either the ministry isn’t right for that church at that time (and that’s why people aren’t volunteering for it), or the way people are recruited is wrongheaded.
It is wonderful to be free to volunteer for a ministry that fits my personality and interests and gifts, rather than being guilted into helping in something I really don’t want to do. Part of what I do now isn’t really where I think I fit best either, I do it because I care about the ministry and if I quit the burden on the other volunteers will be that much harder. But the program director knows I want to shift to focus more on another area, and he wants to help make that happen.
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Make It Man – I had a similar thing in my marriage. I thought I had fallen out of love with my husband, but didn’t believe in divorce. So I applied myself to treat my husband well, doing nice things for him, etc. (love as an action), & praying for God to change my heart-attitude.
Within a year or so (maybe even less), I had fallen in love with him all over again, & saw him with new eyes, so to speak.
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This Mom of four agrees with the above momoffour–those who have helped in the nursery over so many years have my gratitude. When my husband was out to sea for months on end, I needed all the help I could get and that hour in church really did make a difference in my life and that of my sons–for the good.
I always found it ironic, however, that the weeks I had the worst time with the boys usually were the weeks I had nursery duty–and the Lord heard a fair amount of complaining from me on that point.
Because I was so grateful, for years I took my turn in the nursery–calculating I owed about 28 years worth! Several years ago my daughter served with me and said, “I don’t know why you take nursery duty, you obviously hate it.”
She was correct. I thought about my attitude and preferences, prayed about it, and decided my time was done in the nursery. I’ve filled in a couple times in emergencies, but have “chosen” to serve in other ways. You need to use your gifts where God directs and, frankly, I’m not particularly good with young children.
Cheryl’s church is small, however, if I remember correctly. If the body isn’t large enough to “man” the nursery every Sunday, perhaps leadership needs to rethink/repray about their nursery.
Our aforementioned church had a paid employee and on the Sundays 20 years ago when I worked in the nursery, I spent a lot of time talking and befriending her. I don’t think my ministry was to the children during those years–I think I was there for her.
Meandering answer. If my church “required” me to serve in the nursery, I think I might need to look somwhere else, as well. Sorry.
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Just to clarify, Cheryl. I do agree with you, I just know how important (to many, not all, moms) a nursery is. These days, moms need all the help they can get. I was a fairly new believer when we started our family (as far as growth, not years as a Christian). I desperately needed that teaching I got while my kids were loved and cared for in the nursery.
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Thanks, all who commented about nursery. In Chicago I worked with someone who attended a large church that required women to serve in the nursery. (Ironically, it didn’t allow men to serve, except on the same week with one’s wife–which meant single men couldn’t serve. Since the church had several adults in each nursery, the suspicion that a man would molest the kids unless his wife was there to stop him didn’t make a lot of sense to me.)
That church took nursery duty so seriously that women tattled to the pastor if they noticed that so-and-so had gotten a substitute two or three times in a row. (To me, getting a willing substitute should fulfill one’s duty. And tattling to the pastor seemed bizarre!) I told her more than once that I thought if was wrong for a church to require any specific ministry. And then I started attending a church that required it! (Though without the tattling to the pastor, and in my own case they have allowed an exception, and I have served from time to time when they’ve needed me, including last Sunday.) And then my sister’s church basically jumped off the deep end in their own requirements, almost as bad as the pastor-tattling. So I was wondering how wide this “requirement” trend was!!
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The ‘nursery issue’-
I don’t believe anyone should be expected to work in a church ‘nursery’- it should be voluntary –
Each person has a calling, it might be visiting the sick, teaching Sunday School, or it might be another gift which isn’t used within the walls of the church.
I would leave a church which demanded that I serve in any way I felt ‘not led’ by the Holy Spirit’-
I was never comfortable leaving children in ‘nursery care’ although I’ve done so. Today I would NEVER leave a child in ‘nursery care’ –
Has anyone ever heard of ‘nursery care’ in the early church? I haven’t – Children sat with their parents, mothers held small infants, and grandma’s helped with the unruly little ones, or their father’s put a stern hand on their shoulders to quite their behavior.
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Victoria–I do agree with you in a sense. Ideally it would be great for the whole family to sit together, like they probably did in the times you mentioned. However, in our particular church, we have several sweet senior saints who have literally complained when a baby *sneezes* in the worship service. So, these days it is usually best if there is at least a nursery provided. Also, in my own position (where I have absolutely no family to ever help with the little ones, and my hubby is gone pretty much all day and into the night) it sure is nice to get a little break sometimes. I’m sure some will find that selfish. So be it…
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Momoffour
I can understand you wanting a break, and sitting through a service without being intrupted. Almost all churches have a nursery.
Nursery care is a nice option, but I certainly don’t believe that ANYONE should be made to participate in nursery care, as part of their church membership.
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