The new Deist
I wonder if we are the new Deists. I was thinking about that as I considered the Fourth of July ink that will be spilled again over the question of whether — and which of — our Founding Fathers were Deists and not really Christians. My dictionary calls deism religion “emphasizing morality, and…denying the interference of [God] with the laws of the universe.”
We pick on the house
I’ve been to prayer meetings like that. I’m not the only one, apparently: “Prayer meetings constantly tend downward, to become either intellectualistic Bible studies or anxiety-sharing sessions where religious arguments break out. Christian people and their leaders are ready to do almost anything except get down to praying with power an authority in the name of Christ” (Outgrowing the Ingrown Church, C.John Miller).
A Deist is not just someone who calls himself a Deist. A Deist is someone who calls himself a Christian but thinks like a Deist thinks. He believes that God exercises a general benevolence from a distance. He mistrusts “enthusiasts” (18th century word) or “fanatics” (21st century word) who pray as if God is involved in every detail of his day.



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I am making my way back from being a practical Deist and believing that God works in the world and in my life. But honestly, my drift towards practical Deistism is in part in reaction to the excesses of the “enthusiasts” and “fanatics”. I don’t think one is the cure for the other.
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Please, don’t get Jon Rowe started!!
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I’m getting ready to go to DC for the whole day (to see a premiere by the Acton Institute on the Christian mainly Roman Catholic influences on America’s Founding ideas). So don’t worry about me for today.
However, let me note Andree’s point was first articulated by John Derbyshire who — describing how his own nominal Christianity pushed him to Deism — said something along the lines of the lazy Christian mind is reflexively Deist.
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Ephesians 4:14 expresses the immature believer’s tendency to be thrown about by every wind of doctrine that comes along. Before that verse is a recitation of some of the gifts given to the church to bring about the building up of believers to service and unity. How we all need to grow in grace and the knowledge of Jesus Christ!
It is interesting that many are afraid to believe God acts and speaks today because of the excesses of some. Yet, they still understand that they are bound by the truth of the bible, even though it is this written word that has also been misused by many. In fact, it was used by the devil to tempt Jesus Christ. It was also used by the Pharisees and Sadducees incorrectly, so that they could not even see the Messiah when He was in their midst!
It is right for us to be careful and prayerful about the leading of the Spirit and the use of God’s Word. But we should not be so cautious that we are paralized like the prey of the lion when he hears the roar of that great beast.
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maybe pray in the closet like Jesus said?
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Well, if you are Pat Robertson, God speaks to you all the time. So, maybe prayer of any kind isn’t the whole answer. It certainly isn’t required for salvation.
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I may not always agree with where Jon Rowe comes down on the presumed orthodoxy of various Founders in specific (or even his definitions of orthodoxy), but as I see it, he has been rather honest about the fact that many academics overstate the alleged “Deism” of many of the Founders.
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Deism would be fine, if one didn’t believe through compelling Biblical evidence that Christ was the incarnate Word of God who rose from the dead on Easter Day followed by His Ascension. See N.T. Wright’s magnificent modern scholarly work, The Ressurection of the Son of God, on this.
Augustine spoke well, however, when he said the Bible was not written as a scientific treatise; consequently when reason contradicts some minor parts of Genesis or other Biblical works, then it should prevail.
The best modern statement of this truth is John Paul II’s Fides et Ratio [Faith and Reason] that speaks of Christianity held aloft by the two wings of faith and reason. Christianity is the most rational of the world religions in that it is founded on the word of God [Logos] that is ultimately a profoundly rational reality.
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Andree wrote; “A Deist is not just someone who calls himself a Deist. A Deist is someone who calls himself a Christian but thinks like a Deist thinks.”
This reminds me of Paul’s words in Titus:
“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him.” (Titus 1:16.)
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REG wrote; “maybe pray in the closet like Jesus said?”
And with “loud cries and tears” like Jesus did!
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I meant to refer to Hebrews 5:7 in post #10 above.
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btw, my comment (#2) was intended to be light-hearted.
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The Deists often seem to be distant in their relationship to God, and blame God for it.
They want to be related, but more like nephews than sons of God.
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Llama
“So, maybe prayer of any kind isn’t the whole answer. It certainly isn’t required for salvation.”
You can’t ask forgiveness of sins unless you pray to GOD to forgive you of your sins. Prayer is essential.
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10,11,
The same Jesus that cried out with loud cries and tears told his followers to pray in the closet
Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did?
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REG asked, “Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did?”
Great question. The answer is in Galatians 2:20 where Paul says, I’ve been crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me…”
For Christ to live in us, we must be crucified with him.
The answer is yes.
But as far as prayer styles and locations go, the examples of Jesus serve to teach us principles of prayer, not copy-cat techniques.
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