Comments on: The new Deist http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 15:22:43 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312557 Joel Mark Wed, 18 Jun 2008 23:41:48 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312557 REG asked, "Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did?" Great question. The answer is in Galatians 2:20 where Paul says, I've been crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me..." For Christ to live in us, we must be crucified with him. The answer is yes. But as far as prayer styles and locations go, the examples of Jesus serve to teach us principles of prayer, not copy-cat techniques. REG asked, “Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did?”

Great question. The answer is in Galatians 2:20 where Paul says, I’ve been crucified with Christ, nevertheless I live, yet not I but Christ liveth in me…”

For Christ to live in us, we must be crucified with him.

The answer is yes.

But as far as prayer styles and locations go, the examples of Jesus serve to teach us principles of prayer, not copy-cat techniques.

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]]> By: REG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312518 REG Wed, 18 Jun 2008 22:26:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312518 10,11, The same Jesus that cried out with loud cries and tears told his followers to pray in the closet Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did? 10,11,

The same Jesus that cried out with loud cries and tears told his followers to pray in the closet

Are we going to die on the cross, too, because Jesus did?

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]]> By: Victoria http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312484 Victoria Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:16:31 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312484 Llama "So, maybe prayer of any kind isn’t the whole answer. <b>It certainly isn’t required for salvation."</b> You can't ask forgiveness of sins unless you pray to GOD to forgive you of your sins. Prayer is essential. Llama

“So, maybe prayer of any kind isn’t the whole answer. It certainly isn’t required for salvation.”

You can’t ask forgiveness of sins unless you pray to GOD to forgive you of your sins. Prayer is essential.

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]]> By: krm http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312480 krm Wed, 18 Jun 2008 21:08:23 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312480 The Deists often seem to be distant in their relationship to God, and blame God for it. They want to be related, but more like nephews than sons of God. The Deists often seem to be distant in their relationship to God, and blame God for it.

They want to be related, but more like nephews than sons of God.

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]]> By: mommy http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312323 mommy Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:32:48 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312323 btw, my comment (#2) was intended to be light-hearted. btw, my comment (#2) was intended to be light-hearted.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312308 Joel Mark Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:06:31 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312308 I meant to refer to Hebrews 5:7 in post #10 above. I meant to refer to Hebrews 5:7 in post #10 above.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312307 Joel Mark Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:05:51 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312307 REG wrote; <i>"maybe pray in the closet like Jesus said?"</i> And with "loud cries and tears" like Jesus did! REG wrote; “maybe pray in the closet like Jesus said?”

And with “loud cries and tears” like Jesus did!

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312305 Joel Mark Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:03:29 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312305 Andree wrote; "A Deist is not just someone who calls himself a Deist. A Deist is someone who calls himself a Christian but thinks like a Deist thinks." This reminds me of Paul's words in Titus: <i>"They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him."</i> (Titus 1:16.) Andree wrote; “A Deist is not just someone who calls himself a Deist. A Deist is someone who calls himself a Christian but thinks like a Deist thinks.”

This reminds me of Paul’s words in Titus:

“They claim to know God, but by their actions they deny him.” (Titus 1:16.)

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312303 Peter Leavitt Wed, 18 Jun 2008 15:00:08 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312303 Deism would be fine, if one didn't believe through compelling Biblical evidence that Christ was the incarnate Word of God who rose from the dead on Easter Day followed by His Ascension. See N.T. Wright's magnificent modern scholarly work, <i>The Ressurection of the Son of God,</i> on this. Augustine spoke well, however, when he said the Bible was not written as a scientific treatise; consequently when reason contradicts some minor parts of Genesis or other Biblical works, then it should prevail. The best modern statement of this truth is John Paul II's <i>Fides et Ratio</i> [Faith and Reason] that speaks of Christianity held aloft by the two wings of faith and reason. Christianity is the most rational of the world religions in that it is founded on the word of God [Logos] that is ultimately a profoundly rational reality. Deism would be fine, if one didn’t believe through compelling Biblical evidence that Christ was the incarnate Word of God who rose from the dead on Easter Day followed by His Ascension. See N.T. Wright’s magnificent modern scholarly work, The Ressurection of the Son of God, on this.

Augustine spoke well, however, when he said the Bible was not written as a scientific treatise; consequently when reason contradicts some minor parts of Genesis or other Biblical works, then it should prevail.

The best modern statement of this truth is John Paul II’s Fides et Ratio [Faith and Reason] that speaks of Christianity held aloft by the two wings of faith and reason. Christianity is the most rational of the world religions in that it is founded on the word of God [Logos] that is ultimately a profoundly rational reality.

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]]> By: Joel Mark http://online.worldmag.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/comment-page-1/#comment-312300 Joel Mark Wed, 18 Jun 2008 14:55:46 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/06/18/the-new-deist/#comment-312300 I may not always agree with where Jon Rowe comes down on the presumed orthodoxy of various Founders in specific (or even his definitions of orthodoxy), but as I see it, he has been rather honest about the fact that many academics overstate the alleged "Deism" of many of the Founders. I may not always agree with where Jon Rowe comes down on the presumed orthodoxy of various Founders in specific (or even his definitions of orthodoxy), but as I see it, he has been rather honest about the fact that many academics overstate the alleged “Deism” of many of the Founders.

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