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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:52:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, you&#039;re forgetting that Saddam was shooting at American planes and his intelligence service trained thousands of jihadi and secular terrorists. He, also, had a WMD program in place that, after sanctions would be removed was capable within a month or two of producing biological weapons. He sought fissile nuclear material with which he could have produced a nuclear weapon within a year. Bush&#039;s very real concern was that Saddam would hand over some of these WMD to terrorists. 

Avenging Saddam&#039;s attempted killing of his father was never a major consideration in going to war. I should suggest that if you wish to understand the facts of the Iraq War matter you get a hold of  Douglas Feith&#039;s recently published book &lt;i&gt;War and Decision: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War against Terrorism.&lt;/i&gt; This volume might help to inform you of the careful analysis and decision making of the Bush administration before the war. Your actual knowledge of the decision making is based on rather scant information and crude assumptions.

One can in fact make a case for not fighting the Iraq War, though you don&#039;t come close to making it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, you&#8217;re forgetting that Saddam was shooting at American planes and his intelligence service trained thousands of jihadi and secular terrorists. He, also, had a WMD program in place that, after sanctions would be removed was capable within a month or two of producing biological weapons. He sought fissile nuclear material with which he could have produced a nuclear weapon within a year. Bush&#8217;s very real concern was that Saddam would hand over some of these WMD to terrorists. </p>
<p>Avenging Saddam&#8217;s attempted killing of his father was never a major consideration in going to war. I should suggest that if you wish to understand the facts of the Iraq War matter you get a hold of  Douglas Feith&#8217;s recently published book <i>War and Decision: Inside the Pentagon at the Dawn of the War against Terrorism.</i> This volume might help to inform you of the careful analysis and decision making of the Bush administration before the war. Your actual knowledge of the decision making is based on rather scant information and crude assumptions.</p>
<p>One can in fact make a case for not fighting the Iraq War, though you don&#8217;t come close to making it.
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		<title>By: Nick H. Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick H. Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 21:00:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Peter

I have no doubt Hussein was an evil person. But please remember he was a secular ruler in an Islamic country who had been in power since 1976 and he never once threatened the U.S.

From an U.S. perspective (not Iraq) he might have been to best we could hope for in that area.

But really when is it going to occur to you that Bush attacked Iraq to avenge and/or show up his father who never took out Hussein in the 1st Iraq War? The American public never would have accepted that reason for going to war so Bush framed it as a WMD issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Peter</p>
<p>I have no doubt Hussein was an evil person. But please remember he was a secular ruler in an Islamic country who had been in power since 1976 and he never once threatened the U.S.</p>
<p>From an U.S. perspective (not Iraq) he might have been to best we could hope for in that area.</p>
<p>But really when is it going to occur to you that Bush attacked Iraq to avenge and/or show up his father who never took out Hussein in the 1st Iraq War? The American public never would have accepted that reason for going to war so Bush framed it as a WMD issue.
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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 19:14:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, first remember that the 9/11 Commission report concluded that another 9/11 type event is probably not a matter of if but when. Just yesterday.

Second, Gerecht stated, &lt;i&gt;Whether America escapes another 9/11 or not, the president deserves credit for understanding that the region&#8217;s murderous anti-American extremists, both secular and religious, had to be confronted on the battlefield.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, first remember that the 9/11 Commission report concluded that another 9/11 type event is probably not a matter of if but when. Just yesterday.</p>
<p>Second, Gerecht stated, <i>Whether America escapes another 9/11 or not, the president deserves credit for understanding that the region&#8217;s murderous anti-American extremists, both secular and religious, had to be confronted on the battlefield.</i>
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		<title>By: Nick H. Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick H. Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 18:59:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Outkast

Our &quot;global war&quot; seems to be house-to-house fighting in obscure Baghdad neighborhoods.


You mentioned earlier the soldiers join voluntarily. I guess those poor 18 and 19 years olds didn&#039;t read the fine print in their enlistment papers. 3 and  4 tours of duty, longer stays during their deployment and then finding out that Uncle Sam can keep them in the military even when they thought their time was up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Outkast</p>
<p>Our &#8220;global war&#8221; seems to be house-to-house fighting in obscure Baghdad neighborhoods.</p>
<p>You mentioned earlier the soldiers join voluntarily. I guess those poor 18 and 19 years olds didn&#8217;t read the fine print in their enlistment papers. 3 and  4 tours of duty, longer stays during their deployment and then finding out that Uncle Sam can keep them in the military even when they thought their time was up.
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s a &lt;b&gt;global&lt;/b&gt; war on terror, Nicky, so we must fight it on several different front.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s a <b>global</b> war on terror, Nicky, so we must fight it on several different front.
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		<title>By: Nick H. Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick H. Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 17:37:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Peter

Let me see if I undertand this:

According to Mr. Gerecht if we are struck again Bush will seem &quot;prescient and wise&quot;.

But won&#039;t Bush also get credit if we are not struck?  Sounds like a no-lose for him.          

And the author only mentioned 9/11 twice (in one paragraph) to justify Bush&#039;s invasion of Iraq. Mentioning 9/11 to justify Iraq is a sure sign of desperation.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Peter</p>
<p>Let me see if I undertand this:</p>
<p>According to Mr. Gerecht if we are struck again Bush will seem &#8220;prescient and wise&#8221;.</p>
<p>But won&#8217;t Bush also get credit if we are not struck?  Sounds like a no-lose for him.          </p>
<p>And the author only mentioned 9/11 twice (in one paragraph) to justify Bush&#8217;s invasion of Iraq. Mentioning 9/11 to justify Iraq is a sure sign of desperation.
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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 16:21:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick, Bush&#039;s decision to fight a global war on terrorism and to bring down the Saddam regime have had profound effects on the Middle East. You might read the article, &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/715rzesz.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;A New Middle East, After All What George W. Bush hath wrought, &lt;/a&gt; by Reuel Marc Gerecht, the former CIA head Middle East analyst who summarizes as follows: 

&lt;i&gt;An uneasy and healthy tension now exists between rhetoric and reality, guaranteeing that Americans will continue to debate what has gone wrong and right in the Muslim Middle East. Whether America escapes another 9/11 or not, the president deserves credit for understanding that the region&#039;s murderous anti-American extremists, both secular and religious, had to be confronted on the battlefield. Sanctions, cruise missiles shot at rock huts and empty intelligence-service buildings, and close liaison relationships with foreign internal-security services were not enough. If the United States is brutally struck again by holy warriors, President Bush will seem prescient and wise--about the need for reform in the Middle East&#039;s autocracies, about the strategic shortsightedness and immorality of pre-9/11 American foreign policy toward Muslims, and about the imperative to use ugly tactics against mass-casualty terrorists. Given the forces arrayed against him, his administration&#039;s failures, and his own limitations, these are achievements even Ronald Reagan would envy.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick, Bush&#8217;s decision to fight a global war on terrorism and to bring down the Saddam regime have had profound effects on the Middle East. You might read the article, <a href="http://www.weeklystandard.com/Content/Public/Articles/000/000/014/715rzesz.asp" rel="nofollow">A New Middle East, After All What George W. Bush hath wrought, </a> by Reuel Marc Gerecht, the former CIA head Middle East analyst who summarizes as follows: </p>
<p><i>An uneasy and healthy tension now exists between rhetoric and reality, guaranteeing that Americans will continue to debate what has gone wrong and right in the Muslim Middle East. Whether America escapes another 9/11 or not, the president deserves credit for understanding that the region&#8217;s murderous anti-American extremists, both secular and religious, had to be confronted on the battlefield. Sanctions, cruise missiles shot at rock huts and empty intelligence-service buildings, and close liaison relationships with foreign internal-security services were not enough. If the United States is brutally struck again by holy warriors, President Bush will seem prescient and wise&#8211;about the need for reform in the Middle East&#8217;s autocracies, about the strategic shortsightedness and immorality of pre-9/11 American foreign policy toward Muslims, and about the imperative to use ugly tactics against mass-casualty terrorists. Given the forces arrayed against him, his administration&#8217;s failures, and his own limitations, these are achievements even Ronald Reagan would envy.</i>
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:28:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick: The young men and women have VOLUNTARILY joined the military service, in which they could end up dying for their country. They know that going in.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick: The young men and women have VOLUNTARILY joined the military service, in which they could end up dying for their country. They know that going in.
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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually Nick, when the passions cool and historians take a look at Bush&#039;s decision making, they will find plenty of examples where he courageously made unpopular decisions. Two examples would be stem-cell research and the Surge.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually Nick, when the passions cool and historians take a look at Bush&#8217;s decision making, they will find plenty of examples where he courageously made unpopular decisions. Two examples would be stem-cell research and the Surge.
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		<title>By: Nick H. Peters</title>
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		<dc:creator>Nick H. Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 15:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>To Outkast

I thought Peter was talking about military service.

I believe Obama is at least consistent because while he may not have been in the military when he was young he will be less likely to send young people into combat.

I think it is unconscionable to ask young men and women to die in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those countries were a mess long before we invaded and they will be a mess long after we leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To Outkast</p>
<p>I thought Peter was talking about military service.</p>
<p>I believe Obama is at least consistent because while he may not have been in the military when he was young he will be less likely to send young people into combat.</p>
<p>I think it is unconscionable to ask young men and women to die in Iraq and Afghanistan. Those countries were a mess long before we invaded and they will be a mess long after we leave.
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