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		<title>By: hrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 03:34:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJL -- by Chinese fellow I believe you mean the Uighur natives who were accidentally rounded up in Afghanistan and are now stateless. The Uighur are not Chinese but rather Turkic Muslims who live in the far western portion of China above Tibet. The Chinese would like nothing better than to lump the Uighur Muslims with al-queda. 

The Uighur detainees do not want to be released to China, and nor does the US, since they will disappear into a Chinese prison. The Afghan gov&#039;t doesn&#039;t want them back. And despite their innocence and the American error in imprisoning them, the US gov&#039;t refuses to allow them to stay in the US. Last I heard the Albanian gov&#039;t offered to take them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJL &#8212; by Chinese fellow I believe you mean the Uighur natives who were accidentally rounded up in Afghanistan and are now stateless. The Uighur are not Chinese but rather Turkic Muslims who live in the far western portion of China above Tibet. The Chinese would like nothing better than to lump the Uighur Muslims with al-queda. </p>
<p>The Uighur detainees do not want to be released to China, and nor does the US, since they will disappear into a Chinese prison. The Afghan gov&#8217;t doesn&#8217;t want them back. And despite their innocence and the American error in imprisoning them, the US gov&#8217;t refuses to allow them to stay in the US. Last I heard the Albanian gov&#8217;t offered to take them.
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:46:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Frank, that&#039;s interesting. Professor Denbeaux represents quite a few of the Gitmo detainees, so I guess he would know. (Did you see yesterday that the DC Circuit ruled that a Chinese fellow should be released because even the government admits that he didn&#039;t do anything against the US?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Frank, that&#8217;s interesting. Professor Denbeaux represents quite a few of the Gitmo detainees, so I guess he would know. (Did you see yesterday that the DC Circuit ruled that a Chinese fellow should be released because even the government admits that he didn&#8217;t do anything against the US?)
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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 00:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://law.shu.edu/administration/public_relations/press_releases/2008/guantanamo_data_reveals_61708.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;b&gt;SETON HALL LAW REPORT: DEPT. OF DEFENSE DATA REVEALS NO RELEASED GUANT&#193;NAMO DETAINEE EVER ATTACKED ANY AMERICANS&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Dept of Defense&#8217;s own data rebuts Justice Scalia&#8217;s claim that 30 former GTMO detainees &#8216;returned to the battlefield&#8217;&lt;/b&gt;
 
Newark, NJ&#8212;Seton Hall Law&#8217;s Center for Policy and Research has issued a report revealing that Justice Scalia&#8217;s dissenting opinion in Boumediene v. Bush, which accords Guant&#225;namo detainees the right to habeas corpus review in federal court, cites inaccurate information that was retracted by its original source, the Department of Defense (DoD).

On June 12, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia&#8217;s dissenting opinion on the ruling stated that &#8220;[a]t least 30 of those prisoners hitherto released from Guant&#225;namo Bay have returned to the battlefield.&#8221; The statistic was endorsed by a Senate Minority Report issued June 26, 2007, which cites a media outlet, CNN. CNN, in turn, named the DoD as its source. The &#8220;30&#8221; number, however, was corrected in a DoD press release issued in July 2007, and a DoD document submitted to the House Foreign Relations Committee on May 20, 2008 abandons the claim entirely.

Professor Mark Denbeaux, director of the Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research commented, &lt;b&gt;&#8220;As lawyers &lt;i&gt;and [Supreme Court] judges&lt;/i&gt; we have an obligation to be careful with our facts. The notion that 30 detainees &#8216;returned to the battlefield&#8217; was disproved a year ago. It is distressing that Justice Scalia in Boumediene was not more careful in such an important matter, especially since he was relying uncritically on information that originated with a party in the case before him.&#8221; ...&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt;But hey, why let facts get in the way of a little judicial fearmongering for &lt;i&gt;The Cause&lt;/i&gt;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p><a href="http://law.shu.edu/administration/public_relations/press_releases/2008/guantanamo_data_reveals_61708.htm" rel="nofollow"><b>SETON HALL LAW REPORT: DEPT. OF DEFENSE DATA REVEALS NO RELEASED GUANT&#193;NAMO DETAINEE EVER ATTACKED ANY AMERICANS</b></a></p>
<p><b>Dept of Defense&#8217;s own data rebuts Justice Scalia&#8217;s claim that 30 former GTMO detainees &#8216;returned to the battlefield&#8217;</b></p>
<p>Newark, NJ&#8212;Seton Hall Law&#8217;s Center for Policy and Research has issued a report revealing that Justice Scalia&#8217;s dissenting opinion in Boumediene v. Bush, which accords Guant&#225;namo detainees the right to habeas corpus review in federal court, cites inaccurate information that was retracted by its original source, the Department of Defense (DoD).</p>
<p>On June 12, Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia&#8217;s dissenting opinion on the ruling stated that &#8220;[a]t least 30 of those prisoners hitherto released from Guant&#225;namo Bay have returned to the battlefield.&#8221; The statistic was endorsed by a Senate Minority Report issued June 26, 2007, which cites a media outlet, CNN. CNN, in turn, named the DoD as its source. The &#8220;30&#8221; number, however, was corrected in a DoD press release issued in July 2007, and a DoD document submitted to the House Foreign Relations Committee on May 20, 2008 abandons the claim entirely.</p>
<p>Professor Mark Denbeaux, director of the Seton Hall Law Center for Policy and Research commented, <b>&#8220;As lawyers <i>and [Supreme Court] judges</i> we have an obligation to be careful with our facts. The notion that 30 detainees &#8216;returned to the battlefield&#8217; was disproved a year ago. It is distressing that Justice Scalia in Boumediene was not more careful in such an important matter, especially since he was relying uncritically on information that originated with a party in the case before him.&#8221; &#8230;</b></p></blockquote>
<p>But hey, why let facts get in the way of a little judicial fearmongering for <i>The Cause</i>?
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		<title>By: Make it Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make it Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 21:26:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well speak of the devil and look at what thread pops up. Unfortunately neither of us got credit for bringing it up... :-(

:-D</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well speak of the devil and look at what thread pops up. Unfortunately neither of us got credit for bringing it up&#8230; <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_sad.gif' alt=':-(' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p> <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_biggrin.gif' alt=':-D' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:34:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah ha, MiM, I see it now. I was a little surprised that we didn&#039;t have a thread dedicated to it today. Several of my other &quot;favorite&quot; sites eventually did. 

I heard the show at 5:30 this morning cuz my clock radio is set to a Christian station that plays FoTF then. It&#039;s good motivation for me to jump out of bed and get in the shower cuz I really dislike James Dobson. This morning I continued to listen though, due to the subject matter.

I think JD is really pushing the envelop with this &quot;Citizen Link&quot; thingy. Yesterday he ended the show talking about it (I was back out of the shower - is that tmi?). He went over how it&#039;s all set up so they can be political without getting into deep weeds with the IRS - even said something to the effect of having top-notch lawyers reviewing it. Since I was still half asleep at the time, I wanted to hear it again and went online to listen to the end of the show and, oddly enough, it wasn&#039;t there. Not sure what that was all about.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah ha, MiM, I see it now. I was a little surprised that we didn&#8217;t have a thread dedicated to it today. Several of my other &#8220;favorite&#8221; sites eventually did. </p>
<p>I heard the show at 5:30 this morning cuz my clock radio is set to a Christian station that plays FoTF then. It&#8217;s good motivation for me to jump out of bed and get in the shower cuz I really dislike James Dobson. This morning I continued to listen though, due to the subject matter.</p>
<p>I think JD is really pushing the envelop with this &#8220;Citizen Link&#8221; thingy. Yesterday he ended the show talking about it (I was back out of the shower &#8211; is that tmi?). He went over how it&#8217;s all set up so they can be political without getting into deep weeds with the IRS &#8211; even said something to the effect of having top-notch lawyers reviewing it. Since I was still half asleep at the time, I wanted to hear it again and went online to listen to the end of the show and, oddly enough, it wasn&#8217;t there. Not sure what that was all about.
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		<title>By: RR</title>
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		<dc:creator>RR</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 20:29:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Great list, Kim.  I&#039;ll just add that deer season opener is a national holiday all sorts of places, including my native upper Midwest.  

The way everything else occuring in Wisconsin just shuts down for two weekends in November is surpassed only by the way shopping centers and other places of public assembly become ghost towns for three hours every time the Packers play.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great list, Kim.  I&#8217;ll just add that deer season opener is a national holiday all sorts of places, including my native upper Midwest.  </p>
<p>The way everything else occuring in Wisconsin just shuts down for two weekends in November is surpassed only by the way shopping centers and other places of public assembly become ghost towns for three hours every time the Packers play.
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		<title>By: Make it Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make it Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 18:16:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mommy,
I think I linked to that story above. Unfortunately the spam filter temporarily ate it because of the link. My post is showing up now though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mommy,<br />
I think I linked to that story above. Unfortunately the spam filter temporarily ate it because of the link. My post is showing up now though.
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		<title>By: mommy</title>
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		<dc:creator>mommy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anybody hear Focus on the Family today?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anybody hear Focus on the Family today?
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		<title>By: RonD</title>
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		<dc:creator>RonD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Chas, #3 

A favorite of mine is from Calvin Coolidge:

&quot;Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan &#039;Press On&#039; has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Chas, #3 </p>
<p>A favorite of mine is from Calvin Coolidge:</p>
<p>&#8220;Nothing in the world can take the place of Persistence. Talent will not; nothing is more common than unsuccessful men with talent. Genius will not; unrewarded genius is almost a proverb. Education will not; the world is full of educated derelicts. Persistence and determination alone are omnipotent. The slogan &#8216;Press On&#8217; has solved and always will solve the problems of the human race.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Make it Man</title>
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		<dc:creator>Make it Man</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 24 Jun 2008 17:01:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Boy,
All we need now is for Pat Robertson to say something about God getting back at Iowa for voting Obama...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Boy,<br />
All we need now is for Pat Robertson to say something about God getting back at Iowa for voting Obama&#8230;
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