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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:12:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Mickel: As I said, Bush was not directly responsible. But he did challenge lenders to do all they could to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/homeownership/homeownership-policy-book-ch2.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;increase home ownership&lt;/a&gt;, especially among minorities. This DID include some federal programs and funding designed specifically to accomplish those goals. 

If you&#039;re going to deny that St. George could ever be wrong, then you will refuse to acknowledge this. But facts are facts and the links I&#039;m providing show them in plain language.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Mickel: As I said, Bush was not directly responsible. But he did challenge lenders to do all they could to <a href="http://www.whitehouse.gov/infocus/homeownership/homeownership-policy-book-ch2.html" rel="nofollow">increase home ownership</a>, especially among minorities. This DID include some federal programs and funding designed specifically to accomplish those goals. </p>
<p>If you&#8217;re going to deny that St. George could ever be wrong, then you will refuse to acknowledge this. But facts are facts and the links I&#8217;m providing show them in plain language.
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		<title>By: John Denney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:25:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, yeah, I forgot to add that because I wouldn&#039;t have to commute, and we homeschool, I&#039;m sure you could get some sweet carbon offsets as part of the deal.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, yeah, I forgot to add that because I wouldn&#8217;t have to commute, and we homeschool, I&#8217;m sure you could get some sweet carbon offsets as part of the deal.
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		<title>By: John Denney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:23:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re: #11

Arcadia,

You say, &quot;reassertion of worker&#8217;s rights to living wages&quot;.

Cool.  Can I move my family into your house with you and I&#039;ll wash your dishes for you, which you probably don&#039;t want to do anyway, for which besides room and board you&#039;ll pay me a living wage and full medical and retirement benefits?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re: #11</p>
<p>Arcadia,</p>
<p>You say, &#8220;reassertion of worker&#8217;s rights to living wages&#8221;.</p>
<p>Cool.  Can I move my family into your house with you and I&#8217;ll wash your dishes for you, which you probably don&#8217;t want to do anyway, for which besides room and board you&#8217;ll pay me a living wage and full medical and retirement benefits?
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		<title>By: Mickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:01:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re #27 - from the article ...&quot;This idea (credit being lent to everyone) was pushed to the extreme where by some estimates, homeowners in California used home equity lines to finance automobile purchases.&quot;...

Looks like the responsibility on THAT one would be on the borrowers. Not the gov&#039;t and not the lending institutions. Why? Because equity is allowable in considering credit and wealth. Old fasioned materialism is to blame on that one.
Case in point - the next paragraph says...&quot;Auto lenders and banks, closing their wallets, have prevented hundreds of thousands of consumers from obtaining the financing for a car. Home equity loans, which had been used in at least one of every nine deals, when lenders were more generous, are no longer a source of easy money for many prospective buyers.&#8221;...

So the lenders got smarter and began refusing loans based on what would essentially be an unrealized gain. 

How did W encourage frivilous buying, again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #27 &#8211; from the article &#8230;&#8221;This idea (credit being lent to everyone) was pushed to the extreme where by some estimates, homeowners in California used home equity lines to finance automobile purchases.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Looks like the responsibility on THAT one would be on the borrowers. Not the gov&#8217;t and not the lending institutions. Why? Because equity is allowable in considering credit and wealth. Old fasioned materialism is to blame on that one.<br />
Case in point &#8211; the next paragraph says&#8230;&#8221;Auto lenders and banks, closing their wallets, have prevented hundreds of thousands of consumers from obtaining the financing for a car. Home equity loans, which had been used in at least one of every nine deals, when lenders were more generous, are no longer a source of easy money for many prospective buyers.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>So the lenders got smarter and began refusing loans based on what would essentially be an unrealized gain. </p>
<p>How did W encourage frivilous buying, again?
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Do you actually believe that lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it was instituted by W? &lt;/i&gt;

Directly? No. 

But encouraged? Enabled? &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mybudget360.com/myth-busted-being-owned-by-the-ownership-society-in-california-how-housing-and-credit-came-crashing-down/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Oh yes.&lt;/a&gt; I certainly do.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Do you actually believe that lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it was instituted by W? </i></p>
<p>Directly? No. </p>
<p>But encouraged? Enabled? <a href="http://www.mybudget360.com/myth-busted-being-owned-by-the-ownership-society-in-california-how-housing-and-credit-came-crashing-down/" rel="nofollow">Oh yes.</a> I certainly do.
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		<title>By: Mickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:24:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>re #23 ...&quot;The housing market crashed because George W. Bushs&#8217;s &#8220;ownership society&#8221; led to lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it. The other factors are less directly traceable to a single cause, but Democrats are certainly not to blame for any of them.&quot;...

Something about ... excrement? Do you actually believe that lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it was instituted by W? Dude - I&#039;ve got this $25 genuine Romex watch I&#039;d love to sell you...just don&#039;t wear it in the pool, or it&#039;ll turn green.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>re #23 &#8230;&#8221;The housing market crashed because George W. Bushs&#8217;s &#8220;ownership society&#8221; led to lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it. The other factors are less directly traceable to a single cause, but Democrats are certainly not to blame for any of them.&#8221;&#8230;</p>
<p>Something about &#8230; excrement? Do you actually believe that lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it was instituted by W? Dude &#8211; I&#8217;ve got this $25 genuine Romex watch I&#8217;d love to sell you&#8230;just don&#8217;t wear it in the pool, or it&#8217;ll turn green.
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		<title>By: Bob Buckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Buckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:30:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#29 STEVEG

Here in CA with only enough Republicans in elected office to uphold a veto by the Governator, we have flouted state law that says that each year&#039;s budget must be balanced, we have, in fact, not had a balanced budget since before Arnold was elected.

The single biggest growth in our state budget is covering more children with state supported medical care. Is this not &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;socialized medicine?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; Who votes for &lt;I&gt;&lt;b&gt;&quot;socialized medicine&quot;&lt;/i&gt;&lt;/b&gt; if not &lt;i&gt;&lt;b&gt;socialists&lt;b&gt;&lt;/i&gt;?

Are you really saying that there is a difference between a Democrat and a socialist? If so, please tell us what those differences are? I am unaware of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#29 STEVEG</p>
<p>Here in CA with only enough Republicans in elected office to uphold a veto by the Governator, we have flouted state law that says that each year&#8217;s budget must be balanced, we have, in fact, not had a balanced budget since before Arnold was elected.</p>
<p>The single biggest growth in our state budget is covering more children with state supported medical care. Is this not <i><b>&#8220;socialized medicine?&#8221;</b></i> Who votes for <i><b>&#8220;socialized medicine&#8221;</b></i> if not <i><b>socialists</b><b></b></i>?</p>
<p>Are you really saying that there is a difference between a Democrat and a socialist? If so, please tell us what those differences are? I am unaware of them.
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		<title>By: GodLumps</title>
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		<dc:creator>GodLumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:25:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What other positive trends do you see emerging from our strained economy?&quot;

Fewer people will vote for the Republican in the next election. That&#039;s a huge plus.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What other positive trends do you see emerging from our strained economy?&#8221;</p>
<p>Fewer people will vote for the Republican in the next election. That&#8217;s a huge plus.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:37:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#19: Proving that Llamas are unmatched at producing excrement. 

In fact, no &quot;Socialists&quot; are in power. Democrats have a scant majority in Congress -- not enough to break a filibuster or override a veto -- and the rightists still control the White House, for another few months. 

The housing market crashed because George W. Bushs&#039;s &quot;ownership society&quot; led to lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it. The other factors are less directly traceable to a single cause, but Democrats are certainly not to blame for any of them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#19: Proving that Llamas are unmatched at producing excrement. </p>
<p>In fact, no &#8220;Socialists&#8221; are in power. Democrats have a scant majority in Congress &#8212; not enough to break a filibuster or override a veto &#8212; and the rightists still control the White House, for another few months. </p>
<p>The housing market crashed because George W. Bushs&#8217;s &#8220;ownership society&#8221; led to lenders lending money to people who had no business borrowing it. The other factors are less directly traceable to a single cause, but Democrats are certainly not to blame for any of them.
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		<title>By: Mickel</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mickel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 21:26:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Llama makes a good point about agricultural inflation. While the price of ag products has increased drastically - the wallets of producers aren&#039;t getting padded. In fact - producers are in a position of more risk at $6 corn than they were at $2 corn. Given that input costs have soared, if the corn were to drop sharply, or the yields from this year prove to be poor (with the streak of storms in the grainbelt - that&#039;s possible), producers would take a hard hit.

Fuel, food, taxes. It&#039;s all gone up since 2006. Now, what happened in 2006??? Oh yeah, minimum wage got increased!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Llama makes a good point about agricultural inflation. While the price of ag products has increased drastically &#8211; the wallets of producers aren&#8217;t getting padded. In fact &#8211; producers are in a position of more risk at $6 corn than they were at $2 corn. Given that input costs have soared, if the corn were to drop sharply, or the yields from this year prove to be poor (with the streak of storms in the grainbelt &#8211; that&#8217;s possible), producers would take a hard hit.</p>
<p>Fuel, food, taxes. It&#8217;s all gone up since 2006. Now, what happened in 2006??? Oh yeah, minimum wage got increased!
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