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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 22:59:05 +0000</pubDate>
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&lt;blockquote&gt; &lt;b&gt;Obama&#039;s US Senate Voting Record (by issue)&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/blockquote&gt; 


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		<title>By: Frank in Phoenix</title>
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		<dc:creator>Frank in Phoenix</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 17:17:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anyone remember this?&lt;blockquote&gt;

Campaigning this week in California, &lt;b&gt;McCain declared he was &#039;&#039;prolife&#039;&#039; and &#039;&#039;unequivocal&#039;&#039; in his support for overturning Roe v. Wade,&lt;/b&gt; the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion. McCain clarified his remarks, reported in the San Francisco Chronicle last weekend and repeated on CNN, saying that &lt;b&gt;before repealing Roe, measures had to be in place to reduce the demand for and risks of illegal abortion.&lt;/b&gt;

&#039;&#039;I&#039;d love to see a point where&#039;&#039; Roe &#039;&#039;is irrelevant and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary,&#039;&#039; McCain told the Chronicle. &lt;b&gt;&#039;&#039;But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe v. Wade,&lt;/b&gt; which would then force ... women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.&#039;&#039;

The flap is likely to have consequences beyond McCain&#039;s campaign, however, because the Arizona senator is &lt;b&gt;not the only Republican candidate striking an accommodating chord on the abortion issue. Bush said the GOP should retain its &#039;&#039;pro-life tenor,&#039;&#039; but the Texas governor said he would not make antiabortion views a qualification for judicial appointees or commit to choosing a running mate who opposes abortion.&lt;/b&gt;

~ &quot;Rift within GOP is widening over issue of abortion,&quot; by Mary Leonard, &lt;i&gt;The Boston Globe&lt;/i&gt;, 08/28/99&lt;/blockquote&gt;

And here we are, eight years later, all breathless about the necessity of electing Juan McSame so that he can &quot;appoint conservative judges&quot; to the SCOTUS.

&lt;b&gt;Q: Why would he appoint judges who hold views other than his own?&lt;/b&gt; This is the same claim Giuliani made. (Anyone remember him, BTW?) These guys rule and legislate as liberals &#8212; excuse me, like &lt;i&gt;statists&lt;/i&gt; &#8212; yet they want us to accept their word &#8212;&#160;to take it on faith &#8212;&#160;that they will appoint judges with &lt;i&gt;constitutional&lt;/i&gt; viiews.

Pander, pander, pander ... and &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; pandering ...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anyone remember this?<br />
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<p>Campaigning this week in California, <b>McCain declared he was &#8221;prolife&#8221; and &#8221;unequivocal&#8221; in his support for overturning Roe v. Wade,</b> the 1973 Supreme Court decision legalizing abortion. McCain clarified his remarks, reported in the San Francisco Chronicle last weekend and repeated on CNN, saying that <b>before repealing Roe, measures had to be in place to reduce the demand for and risks of illegal abortion.</b></p>
<p>&#8221;I&#8217;d love to see a point where&#8221; Roe &#8221;is irrelevant and could be repealed because abortion is no longer necessary,&#8221; McCain told the Chronicle. <b>&#8221;But certainly in the short term, or even the long term, I would not support the repeal of Roe v. Wade,</b> which would then force &#8230; women in America to illegal and dangerous operations.&#8221;</p>
<p>The flap is likely to have consequences beyond McCain&#8217;s campaign, however, because the Arizona senator is <b>not the only Republican candidate striking an accommodating chord on the abortion issue. Bush said the GOP should retain its &#8221;pro-life tenor,&#8221; but the Texas governor said he would not make antiabortion views a qualification for judicial appointees or commit to choosing a running mate who opposes abortion.</b></p>
<p>~ &#8220;Rift within GOP is widening over issue of abortion,&#8221; by Mary Leonard, <i>The Boston Globe</i>, 08/28/99</p></blockquote>
<p>And here we are, eight years later, all breathless about the necessity of electing Juan McSame so that he can &#8220;appoint conservative judges&#8221; to the SCOTUS.</p>
<p><b>Q: Why would he appoint judges who hold views other than his own?</b> This is the same claim Giuliani made. (Anyone remember him, BTW?) These guys rule and legislate as liberals &#8212; excuse me, like <i>statists</i> &#8212; yet they want us to accept their word &#8212;&#160;to take it on faith &#8212;&#160;that they will appoint judges with <i>constitutional</i> viiews.</p>
<p>Pander, pander, pander &#8230; and <i>more</i> pandering &#8230;
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		<title>By: GodLumps</title>
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		<dc:creator>GodLumps</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:47:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Do you read a lot of comments on &lt;b&gt;&quot;FORGETFUL&quot;&lt;/b&gt;. You crack me up. :lol:</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Do you read a lot of comments on <b>&#8220;FORGETFUL&#8221;</b>. You crack me up. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_lol.gif' alt=':lol:' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:14:43 +0000</pubDate>
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Now here is a gem regarding John McCain:

&lt;blockquote&gt;&quot;But yes, I also think the man is too darn old to be president! And it&#8217;s not just because &lt;b&gt;he appears forgetful.&lt;/b&gt;&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Obama can&#039;t remember what has been preached and bellowed from the pulpit of his church for 20 years just to name one.  This is probably one of the funniest comments I&#039;ve read so far on &lt;b&gt;&quot;FORGETFUL&quot;&lt;/b&gt; -

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<p>Now here is a gem regarding John McCain:</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;But yes, I also think the man is too darn old to be president! And it&#8217;s not just because <b>he appears forgetful.</b>&#8220;</p></blockquote>
<p>Obama can&#8217;t remember what has been preached and bellowed from the pulpit of his church for 20 years just to name one.  This is probably one of the funniest comments I&#8217;ve read so far on <b>&#8220;FORGETFUL&#8221;</b> -</p>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 00:07:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJ LAWYER:  &lt;i&gt; the next nominations . . . won&#8217;t have much of an effect . . . because . . . Stevens who is 88, I think . . . would be replaced with liberals.&lt;/i&gt;

That&#039;s theoretically right, but no replacement will be as respected on the right and the left as Stevens is.  He&#039;s incredibly sharp, smart, and savvy, and knows how to maximize his influence.  This is one case where age calls for reverence.  His replacement, even by another liberal, will be a loss for liberalism with the result that the court will continue to get more conservative.

Ginsberg, a great believer in lifetime appointment, meaning the last calorie of effort possible, won&#039;t leave.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJ LAWYER:  <i> the next nominations . . . won&#8217;t have much of an effect . . . because . . . Stevens who is 88, I think . . . would be replaced with liberals.</i></p>
<p>That&#8217;s theoretically right, but no replacement will be as respected on the right and the left as Stevens is.  He&#8217;s incredibly sharp, smart, and savvy, and knows how to maximize his influence.  This is one case where age calls for reverence.  His replacement, even by another liberal, will be a loss for liberalism with the result that the court will continue to get more conservative.</p>
<p>Ginsberg, a great believer in lifetime appointment, meaning the last calorie of effort possible, won&#8217;t leave.
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		<title>By: Luke</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luke</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:30:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>NJL, 

I mention he&#039;s 72 because it establishes that he is likely to be a one term president.  This is by his own admission. 

But yes, I also think the man is too darn old to be president! And it&#039;s not just because he appears forgetful. 

But re post 14: What exactly are you reasons for thinking you could get another Alito through the nomination process now much less in January?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>NJL, </p>
<p>I mention he&#8217;s 72 because it establishes that he is likely to be a one term president.  This is by his own admission. </p>
<p>But yes, I also think the man is too darn old to be president! And it&#8217;s not just because he appears forgetful. </p>
<p>But re post 14: What exactly are you reasons for thinking you could get another Alito through the nomination process now much less in January?
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		<title>By: NJLawyer</title>
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		<dc:creator>NJLawyer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 23:00:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While it is true that if Obama makes the next nominations that it won&#039;t have much of an effect, that is because it is assumed that Stevens who is 88, I think, and Ginsburg, who is in her 70s are liberals and would be replaced with liberals.

It would be better by far if those two were replaced by justices similar in temperament and skill as Roberts and Alito, Thomas and/or Scalia.

Vote for McCain and give us a decent majority!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While it is true that if Obama makes the next nominations that it won&#8217;t have much of an effect, that is because it is assumed that Stevens who is 88, I think, and Ginsburg, who is in her 70s are liberals and would be replaced with liberals.</p>
<p>It would be better by far if those two were replaced by justices similar in temperament and skill as Roberts and Alito, Thomas and/or Scalia.</p>
<p>Vote for McCain and give us a decent majority!
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:25:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Obama can&#039;t be pro-abortion, for he says he wants fewer abortions to occur.  He&#039;s completely neutral about whether a particular pregnant woman gets an abortion.  If you&#039;re looking for a president who will persuade or pressure her to kill her fetus, Obama will disappoint you! He claims he is going de-incentivize [sounds like Republican jargon, doesn&#039;t it!] abortion by helping people to avoid unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and keep their fetuses if they want to.

Although McCain is &quot;pro-life,&quot; that&#039;s not all he is.  He&#039;s also pro-criminalization!  If the law brings death, then how in the world would criminalization be pro-life?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Obama can&#8217;t be pro-abortion, for he says he wants fewer abortions to occur.  He&#8217;s completely neutral about whether a particular pregnant woman gets an abortion.  If you&#8217;re looking for a president who will persuade or pressure her to kill her fetus, Obama will disappoint you! He claims he is going de-incentivize [sounds like Republican jargon, doesn't it!] abortion by helping people to avoid unwanted pregnancy in the first place, and keep their fetuses if they want to.</p>
<p>Although McCain is &#8220;pro-life,&#8221; that&#8217;s not all he is.  He&#8217;s also pro-criminalization!  If the law brings death, then how in the world would criminalization be pro-life?
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 22:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>PETER LEAVITT:  &lt;i&gt;Make no mistake about it. A vote for Obama will lead to . . .&lt;/i&gt;

One vote either way in this election will have no significance, unless it&#039;s one of nine in a 5-4 decision in McCain v. Obama.

A Federalist Society panel about the court term just ended prophesied that gay marriage won&#039;t reach the Supreme Court.

Any number of justices are powerless to cause, much less guarantee, abortions.  You can drop to your knees and praise God that Roe v. Wave prevents the government from interfering in a woman&#039;s pregnancy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>PETER LEAVITT:  <i>Make no mistake about it. A vote for Obama will lead to . . .</i></p>
<p>One vote either way in this election will have no significance, unless it&#8217;s one of nine in a 5-4 decision in McCain v. Obama.</p>
<p>A Federalist Society panel about the court term just ended prophesied that gay marriage won&#8217;t reach the Supreme Court.</p>
<p>Any number of justices are powerless to cause, much less guarantee, abortions.  You can drop to your knees and praise God that Roe v. Wave prevents the government from interfering in a woman&#8217;s pregnancy.
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		<title>By: Lester</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lester</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jul 2008 20:34:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Like trying to enforce sodomy laws in private bedrooms, laws against assisted suicides are pretty futile.  You may catch a Kevorkian now and again, but for the most part, if you want to commit suicide, you can do so.  

If you ban assisted suicides, people will find ways around or through that law.

I&#039;m surprised about Llama&#039;s stand on pot.  While it is a great way to increase government excise tax revenues, it is not a great way to promote a healthy culture for our children.

If you are worried about the effects of legalized gay marriage, I can&#039;t see how you can be pro-pot.  Pot will do more to damage our youth than allowing a few gays and lesbians to marry.

Whatever.  I&#039;m sure the progressive liberals will find a way to convince us that pot is AOK.  It seemed to work on Llama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Like trying to enforce sodomy laws in private bedrooms, laws against assisted suicides are pretty futile.  You may catch a Kevorkian now and again, but for the most part, if you want to commit suicide, you can do so.  </p>
<p>If you ban assisted suicides, people will find ways around or through that law.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m surprised about Llama&#8217;s stand on pot.  While it is a great way to increase government excise tax revenues, it is not a great way to promote a healthy culture for our children.</p>
<p>If you are worried about the effects of legalized gay marriage, I can&#8217;t see how you can be pro-pot.  Pot will do more to damage our youth than allowing a few gays and lesbians to marry.</p>
<p>Whatever.  I&#8217;m sure the progressive liberals will find a way to convince us that pot is AOK.  It seemed to work on Llama.
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