Lincoln or Darwin?
Newsweek asks, “Who was more important: Lincoln or Darwin?” They ask because these two gentlemen share the same birthday (February 12, 1809). Who’s more lauded and loved? Easy. Lincoln. Who’s work has had more impact on human history? Also easy. Darwin, hands down. Not to front Lincoln, because he was a man of iron will, but what he did, with the Emancipation Proclamation, in many ways, was inevitable. Congress, in fact, tried to beat him to the punch, and the South discussed something similar to steal the thunder of such an act. But then, with the march of scientific endeavors in the 19th century, what Darwin did was also inevitable, but no less enormous.
As delighted as he was with his discovery, Darwin was equally horrified, because he understood the consequences of his theory. Mankind was no longer the culmination of life but merely part of it; creation was mechanistic and purposeless. In a letter to a fellow scientist, Darwin wrote that confiding his theory was “like confessing a murder.” Small wonder that instead of rushing to publish his theory, he sat on it-for 20 years. He started a series of notebooks in which he began refining his theory, recording the results of his research in fields as disparate as animal husbandry and barnacles. Over the next five or six years, he went through notebook after notebook, including one in which he began to pose metaphysical questions arising from his research. Do animals have consciences? Where does the idea of God come from?
This essay is a great read, so long as you understand the modern biases that have sainted both men, glossing over much of what they said and did for the sake of the children.




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“Who was more important: Lincoln or Darwin?”
Well, not having read the essay yet, I would say that both men detrimentally affected mankind in their own ways.
Darwin popularized the idea that man was not created by (and thus, is not accountable to) God by theorizing that all life had the same material origin.
And Lincoln aggrandized the central State by attacking and subordinating a people who no longer wished to be a part of the United States. (I.e., comparing the Civil War to the Revolution — both of which were wars for independence — the South was the colonies, and Lincoln was King George III.)
Frankly, I don’t care for either of them.
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With Darwin there is no Eureka moment when he suddenly discovers evolution.
Actually, there is, and IIRC it is in the Origin itself. Not sure where, but the Malthusian insight struck him pretty strongly.
. So, considering the joint magnitude of their contributions—and the coincidence of their conjoined birthdays—it is hard not to wonder: who was the greater man? It’s an apples-and-oranges—or Superman-vs.-Santa—comparison.
Actually, it’s that kind of comparison. It is a nonsense proposition that such comparisons made in any meaningful manner. Who was taller? good question. Who lived longer? do-able. Who loved his mommy more? Who did more to influence inuit technology? Darwin or Lincoln: who was the better flyfisherman?
yawn.
Wait, here’s a clue as to why someone might write this essay. Astrology.
Their identical birthdays afford us a superb opportunity to observe these men in the shared context of their time—how each was shaped by his circumstances, how each reacted to the beliefs that steered the world into which he was born and ultimately how each reshaped his corner of that world and left it irrevocably changed.
If that ain’t a superb opportunity well then I don’t know what is. Anything to make a noise, eh?
just like obliviot HSK
so long as you understand the modern biases that have sainted both men, glossing over much of what they said and did for the sake of the children.
Oh, do tell, HSK, do tell. You are content-free.
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Empirically equivalent content
- Lincoln was shot in a theatre named Ford
- Kennedy was shot in a car made by Ford
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oops goofed the link.
Empirically equivalent content
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Who’s work has had more impact on human history?
An almost meaningless question. There are no hypotheticals in history. You don’t know, can’t know what would have happened without an individual, or an event. What happened happened. The rest is fantasy.
There is cause and effect, but you would have to decide which effects to focus on, how to measure them, and whether we have enough time yet to judge.
The question ends up being a repeat of the question as to which was more lauded and loved, in our present-day opinion.
Besides – both men shared the same era. They go together.
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Darwin’s scientific idea of evolution is reasonable, though both his and his [rather tentative and vacillating] follower’s metaphysical assuumption that evolution some how contradicted Genesis is perfectly questionable.
Lincoln came to understand, after years of earlier skepticism, by the time of his Second Inaugural that the universe is ultimately ruled by God. My guess is that the following words from his Second Inaugural will last a lot longer than Darwin’s theory of evolution:
…It may seem strange that any men should dare to ask a just God’s assistance in wringing their bread from the sweat of other men’s faces, but let us judge not, that we be not judged. The prayers of both could not be answered. That of neither has been answered fully. The Almighty has His own purposes. “Woe unto the world because of offenses; for it must needs be that offenses come, but woe to that man by whom the offense cometh.” If we shall suppose that American slavery is one of those offenses which, in the providence of God, must needs come, but which, having continued through His appointed time, He now wills to remove, and that He gives to both North and South this terrible war as the woe due to those by whom the offense came, shall we discern therein any departure from those divine attributes which the believers in a living God always ascribe to Him? Fondly do we hope, fervently do we pray, that this mighty scourge of war may speedily pass away. Yet, if God wills that it continue until all the wealth piled by the bondsman’s two hundred and fifty years of unrequited toil shall be sunk, and until every drop of blood drawn with the lash shall be paid by another drawn with the sword, as was said three thousand years ago, so still it must be said “the judgments of the Lord are true and righteous altogether.
With malice toward none, with charity for all, with firmness in the right as God gives us to see the right, let us strive on to finish the work we are in, to bind up the nation’s wounds, to care for him who shall have borne the battle and for his widow and his orphan, to do all which may achieve and cherish a just and lasting peace among ourselves and with all nations.
Erasmus’ wonderful grandmother notwithstanding.
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Now I understand how an evolutionist sees God’s creation!
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solon that is exactly how much of a fraud you are.
hitler mentioning faith in god and divine ordination and you say he is religious grandstanding, cynical pragmatic way to fleece the Good Folk.
Lincoln mentioning faith in god and divine ordination and you say he is a deep thinker, a believer who has wrestled with The Big Question, an everlasting figure.
them ol marines sure whupped that authority figure worship into you didn’t they boy. you can’t have your meat if you done eat your pudding.
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Erasmus,
Get a job, son. And say something not content-free.
Harrison
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HSK i need your job. I’d have to learn how to quote mine and ‘interpret’. Looks like fun though, son.
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anyway, HSK, are you going to elaborate on what those ‘biases that have sainted both men, glossing over much of what they said and did for the sake of the children’ is supposed to mean, or is that just raw meat?
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Erasmus, any fair study of Hitler is clear that, to the extent that he followed any religion or ideas, he mainly followed Nietzsche’s nihilism with strong doses of anti-Semitism and social Darwinism. Actually, he was a very poorly educated atheistic autodidact who proved to be a disaster for Germany.
Lincoln, though he rejected church religion, came to be a very devout believer in an universe ruled by God, as his Second Inaugural Address makes clear. He is arguably the greatest of American presidents.
Darwin, to give him due credit along with Wallace, did make the important contribution that species evolve by some form of random natural evolution. Theistic evolutionists, including Darwin’s American friend, Asa Gray, had no problem integrating Darwin’s view with a Creator God who included evolution among his many other create marvels.
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Even the very first sentence reveals the writer’s bias. The correct word though, is ‘invention’. The theory of evolution was invented by men to suppress the truth. Because if evolution were true, then faith in Christ would be futile.
When men refuse to acknowledge, 1) their own finite nature and 2) that they believe first, it becomes impossible to convince them that physical evidence is just as readily explainable through the “eye glass” of scripture and that “being sure of what they hope for and certain of what they do not see” is an expression of that faith. It’s the same as talking to stones.
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Lincoln’s impact was national, Darwin’s global.
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I beg to differ: God included “natural selection potential” in His many other marvels. Everything science calls natural selection is turning out to be pre-existing genetic code being expressed differently under different conditions. And there is zilch when it comes to any recorded observation of new and improved genetic code being created on the fly — which would have to happen if a lower form of life evolved into a higher form of life.
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I’m with Frank on this one. Lincoln was a fraud who didn’t care for “negroes” at all — and only offered the Emancipation Proclamation in order to affect the balance of power during the War Between the States.
I think both men rendered much harm to our country — Darwin when it comes to so-called “science” and Lincoln when it comes to division of powers in our nation.
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From the Dover trial:
Q. Now, there’s a gentleman named Charles Darwin who played some role here. I was wondering, who was Charles Darwin?
A. Charles Darwin was a British naturalist who was born on February 12th, 1809. If memory serves me well, that’s a better-than-average day for the history of humankind because Abraham Lincoln was born on exactly the same day.
He lived in Great Britain, he studied natural history and studied theology, became a naturalist, traveled around the world on a British ship called the Beagle, made a number of very interesting observations during that trip and came back from that trip to think, to write, critique his ideas for many years, and then wrote a series of books which are the foundation of what we consider to be modern evolutionary theory.
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http://www.darwinday.org/englishL/newsviews/darlin.html
Darwin Day Celebration
AN INTERNATIONAL RECOGNITION OF SCIENCE AND HUMANITY
Lincoln & Darwin – The Emancipators’ Legacies
“These two great men were born on the same day, in the same year: Sunday, February 12, 1809.”
“Lincoln freed American slaves from physical servitude while Darwin freed the human mind from the bonds of supernatural dogma.”
“In America we are aware that both Abraham Lincoln and Charles Darwin were born on the same day, in the same year, February 12, 1809. As a result of this coincidence I was asked the following question during an interview on BBC in Shrewsbury, England (Darwin’s birthplace) on July 30, 2003 : ‘Since Lincoln and Darwin were born on the same day, how do you deal with this obvious problem when you’re celebrating science and humanity on Darwin’s birthday?’ I replied: ‘In my view, Feb. 12, 1809 was a very good day for our planet because Lincoln became the great emancipator of the slaves in America, and Darwin became the great emancipator of the human mind, so they both deserve to be celebrated!’ As I thought about this reply after the broadcast, it seemed to me that there was something particularly poignant about the relationship between Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection, published November 24, 1859, that freed the human mind from superstition, thus permitting the interpretation of scientific data through the lens of naturalism instead of through the lens of theology, and Lincoln’s signing of the Emancipation Proclamation on January 1, 1863, that freed humans from physical servitude. Together their actions represent a major step forward in the acquisition of freedoms for the entire human family. The magnitude of these accomplishments by visionary men, born on the same day, in the same year, gives their achievements a unique resonance, and enormous benefits have accrued to humankind ever since. Today both men are recognized around the world for the ongoing positive effect their efforts have had on developing the ethics of progressive modern thought.”
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http://www.darwinday.org/englishL/newsviews/darlin.html
If humans accept that they too have evolved, whatever purposes they assign, they do so by their own choice.
This means humans are free of revealed knowledge from a non-existent creator; they are free to make choices; they are obliged to learn and to think. They are responsible for their actions and values.
Darwin gave us a freedom most people are not willing to accept. We have to be ethical without fear of divine punishment. We have to live a life of virtue for its own sake because there is no Heaven awaiting us. We have to accept our mortality and justify the satisfaction of living without the existence of an afterlife. No religion has ever given humans such unrestricted freedom, such a responsibility, and such a task. Darwin’s theory of evolution by natural selection gives humans, with their evolved brains, a capacity for self-examination, for wonder, for deeper meaning, and for the nurturing values that sustain us in our relatively short stay in this unbroken journey of life that now extends over three billion years. And that is why Darwin deserves to be called a Great Emancipator.
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i’ve been celebrating threedom with the Panax and the Rubus. Not surprised about this….
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I didn’t think so, dishonest coward. I’ll happily retract that assessment of your personal behavior if you pony up the content, O Fount Of Know-Nothing. Seriously. Where is the sainting and glossing? Only you know where, son.
Solon, how do you get off claiming that Hitler was an atheist when there is so much evidence to the contrary? You are truly incapable of free thought. That’s OK, my antiquated friend (some things do get better with age, eh?). Keep drinking that Kool-Aid.
2nd inaugural address vs take your pick of God-invoking Hitler speeches. Cognitive Dissonance
Now, your last paragraph I am extremely delighted to read because I realize that we have common ground regarding the science. Yet you are caught up in some contrived manufactroversy regarding a ‘culture war’. To be honest, it sounds waaaaay more like “YOU DARWINISTS GIT OFFN MY LAWN” than anything that you have dedicated a single neuron to thinking about.
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Because if evolution were true, then faith in Christ would be futile.
So much for your puny faith. Even solon disagrees with you (cue moving goalposts regarding the definition of ‘evolution’).
It’s the same as talking to stones.
Eppur si muove
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do you have any science supporting what you say?
verything science calls natural selection is turning out to be pre-existing genetic code being expressed differently under different conditions.
So you think DNA is like a lego set? Pardon the entire world for not taking you seriously.
weekender, where is your so-called “science”?
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