Comments on: Photos from the Hanoi Hilton http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 12:46:58 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Victoria http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319603 Victoria Sun, 13 Jul 2008 20:35:57 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319603 The real Aj - 9 They cannot look upon a REAL hero, it depresses their senses. The real Aj – 9

They cannot look upon a REAL hero, it depresses their senses.

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]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319601 Chas Sun, 13 Jul 2008 18:40:30 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319601 MIM, I didn't see Stockdale in the link AJ has. They talked about the code. Stockdale explained it to us, and how they learned it. The Viets tried to break into their conversations, but never mastered the correct rythm of "shave and a haircut" (just as my wife thinks a click and another click is a doubleclick) and were immediately identified. I got the impression that they never broke the code. MIM, I didn’t see Stockdale in the link AJ has.
They talked about the code. Stockdale explained it to us, and how they learned it. The Viets tried to break into their conversations, but never mastered the correct rythm of “shave and a haircut” (just as my wife thinks a click and another click is a doubleclick) and were immediately identified. I got the impression that they never broke the code.

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]]> By: Make it Man http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319546 Make it Man Sun, 13 Jul 2008 02:36:28 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319546 Chas, McCain mentions Stockdale in his account linked to above. Chas,
McCain mentions Stockdale in his account linked to above.

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]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319531 Chas Sat, 12 Jul 2008 20:59:33 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319531 An interesting account AJ, I just got around to reading it. Stockdale mentioned some of the N. Viets. in the story. I looked for my copy of his book, but couldn't find it. I believe Stockdale was in Hanoi Hilton. An interesting account AJ, I just got around to reading it. Stockdale mentioned some of the N. Viets. in the story. I looked for my copy of his book, but couldn’t find it. I believe Stockdale was in Hanoi Hilton.

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]]> By: the real Aj http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319506 the real Aj Sat, 12 Jul 2008 19:29:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319506 Where are World's resident liberals? Do they have no comments? I for one would certainly like to hear their opinion on this. Where are World’s resident liberals? Do they have no comments? I for one would certainly like to hear their opinion on this.

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]]> By: outkast http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319374 outkast Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:38:41 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319374 Thanks for sharing, AJ. McCain will make a great president during a time of war. Thanks for sharing, AJ. McCain will make a great president during a time of war.

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]]> By: the real Aj http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319371 the real Aj Sat, 12 Jul 2008 03:16:58 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319371 And for those of you who read the link, be sure to read it all. It's not that long. The part that talks about him refusing earlier release, insisting that those captured before him go first, is a strong testimony to his character. When it really mattered, he put others ahead of his own well being. And for those of you who read the link, be sure to read it all. It’s not that long. The part that talks about him refusing earlier release, insisting that those captured before him go first, is a strong testimony to his character. When it really mattered, he put others ahead of his own well being.

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]]> By: the real Aj http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319365 the real Aj Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:58:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319365 The website azcentraldotcom has a profile on McCain from 2007. After I read it was when I first decided that I could and will, vote for McCain. I've linked below to Chapter 3, Prisoner of war. I would recommend it folks. It's sobering and inspiring. http://tinyurl.com/5vztan From the link; Dan Nowicki, Bill Muller The Arizona Republic Mar. 1, 2007 10:32 AM CHAPTER III: PRISONER OF WAR John McCain sat on a stool in Hanoi, his teeth broken, his body battered from a savage beating, his arms tied behind him in torture ropes. A guard entered the room. "Are you ready to confess your crimes?" he asked. "No," McCain replied. Every two hours, one guard would hold McCain while two others beat him. They kept it up for four days. Finally, McCain lay on the floor at "The Plantation," a bloody mess, unable to move. His right leg, injured when he was shot down, was horribly swollen. A guard yanked him to his feet and threw him down. His left arm smashed against a bucket and broke again. "I reached the lowest point of my 5½ years in North Vietnam," McCain would write later. "I was at the point of suicide." What happened next, in that August of 1968, nearly a year after he was captured, is chronicled in The Nightingale's Song by Robert Timberg: "(McCain) looked at the louvered cell window high above his head, then at the small stool in the room. He took off his dark blue prison shirt, rolled it like a rope, draped one end over his shoulder near his neck, began feeding the other end through the louvers." A guard burst into the cell and pulled McCain away from the window. For the next few days, he was on suicide watch. McCain's will had finally wilted under the beatings. Unable to endure any more, he agreed to sign a confession. McCain slowly wrote, "I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors." He would never forgive himself. "I had learned what we all learned over there," he would write later. "Every man has a breaking point. I had reached mine." The website azcentraldotcom has a profile on McCain from 2007. After I read it was when I first decided that I could and will, vote for McCain. I’ve linked below to Chapter 3, Prisoner of war. I would recommend it folks. It’s sobering and inspiring.

http://tinyurl.com/5vztan

From the link;
Dan Nowicki, Bill Muller
The Arizona Republic
Mar. 1, 2007 10:32 AM

CHAPTER III: PRISONER OF WAR

John McCain sat on a stool in Hanoi, his teeth broken, his body battered from a savage beating, his arms tied behind him in torture ropes.

A guard entered the room. “Are you ready to confess your crimes?” he asked.

“No,” McCain replied.

Every two hours, one guard would hold McCain while two others beat him. They kept it up for four days.

Finally, McCain lay on the floor at “The Plantation,” a bloody mess, unable to move. His right leg, injured when he was shot down, was horribly swollen. A guard yanked him to his feet and threw him down. His left arm smashed against a bucket and broke again.

“I reached the lowest point of my 5½ years in North Vietnam,” McCain would write later. “I was at the point of suicide.”

What happened next, in that August of 1968, nearly a year after he was captured, is chronicled in The Nightingale’s Song by Robert Timberg:

“(McCain) looked at the louvered cell window high above his head, then at the small stool in the room. He took off his dark blue prison shirt, rolled it like a rope, draped one end over his shoulder near his neck, began feeding the other end through the louvers.”

A guard burst into the cell and pulled McCain away from the window. For the next few days, he was on suicide watch.

McCain’s will had finally wilted under the beatings. Unable to endure any more, he agreed to sign a confession.

McCain slowly wrote, “I am a black criminal and I have performed the deeds of an air pirate. I almost died and the Vietnamese people saved my life, thanks to the doctors.”

He would never forgive himself.

“I had learned what we all learned over there,” he would write later. “Every man has a breaking point. I had reached mine.”

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]]> By: Make it Man http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319357 Make it Man Sat, 12 Jul 2008 02:05:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319357 I read McCain's account for the first time today. It was sobering. I would have broken long before he did. I have nothing but respect for his service to our country. I read McCain’s account for the first time today. It was sobering. I would have broken long before he did. I have nothing but respect for his service to our country.

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]]> By: NJLawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/comment-page-1/#comment-319339 NJLawyer Sat, 12 Jul 2008 00:49:50 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/07/11/photos-from-the-hanoi-hilton/#comment-319339 I have that book, too, Chas. You are so right. Young marrieds don't know how rough it can be. I have that book, too, Chas. You are so right. Young marrieds don’t know how rough it can be.

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