Finding common ground in Christ
Although Cal Thomas is pictured on the left, and Bob Beckel is on the right, their political ideologies are just the opposite. In this day and age of polarization, have you ever wondered what brought these two highly opinionated men together to co-author Common Ground: How to Stop the Partisan War That Is Destroying America and to co-write USA Today columns that attempt to rise above the usual partisan bickering? In a fascinating interview with WORLD’s Marvin Olasky, Beckel shares how he and Thomas came to be fast friends despite their political differences:
“I was in the process of getting divorced. … I had a lot of difficulties. I had retreated to a farm in rural Maryland and refused to come back to Washington to do any television appearances. I got a call one day from Fox saying, would you come and do an appearance with Cal Thomas? And for some inexplicable reason, I said yes. Five different times I tried to call and cancel. And I couldn’t cancel.
“I reluctantly drove in and there was Cal. I knew him a bit, but not really well. He looks at me and says, ‘Is there something wrong?’ Right away. Instead of saying the normal Washington thing—’Good. Fine. Great’—I said, ‘Actually it’s not.’ And he said, ‘Let’s talk about it after we’ve done the show.’ He spent many hours with me after that and talked about faith but never pushed faith on me. He sent me a lot of books. I was one of those people who needed to have proof. I needed to see skin and bones. The idea of whales and arks and burning bushes and opening seas—all that was just in my mind Charlton Heston.
“One of the first books that Cal sent me was Evidence That Demands a Verdict. I began to read that. Cal continued to send me books. … Finally, Cal said, ‘Why don’t you come to church with me?’ Now, I hadn’t been to church in … well, I hadn’t been to church. So Cal takes me to Fourth Presbyterian Church in Washington, which is full of more right-wing Republicans than any church in all of Washington. [But] the message that day was a message that worked. It was about faith and belief and that there is a certain leap that you need to take but in the end what else is there? When you compare the rest of life, what else is there really? Slowly but surely it came to me that there was something there.”
In light of recent discussions on this blog about showing civility toward one another, I encourage you to read this interview in its entirety to see how these two men from opposite sides of the fence approach issues that divide America (and WORLDMagBloggers).




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Good article with some great points. My only disappointment was that Bob Beckel gave in to the dark side of the Force. But if it works for him and he’s happy, then I’m happy for him.
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I agree with a lot of this. Thanks for sharing.
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Wow, what a great article! I love to see people from all walks of life and across the political spectrum find unity in Christ.
Especially wonderful is when differences remain, but Christian unity transcends those differences. This is not always the case of course, but it is beautiful to see when it occurs.
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Wonderful story, and wonderful that it looks Mr. Beckel will be with us in the Kingdom. Care you join us, Anlir?
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It would seem that Thomas was merely the friend and facilitator available to answer questions if and when asked. Obviously the Lord did the rest—as it should be since men can’t change hearts.
We discussed this very problem the other night of how to lead someone to Christ without dragging them or ending up argumentatively head-butting only to alienate them in the process thus providing more fodder for the stalwarts.
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Outkast. Remember not to feed the leech.
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Perhaps this article will spur Mickey to do something about the unprecedented personal attacks that have been unleashed this week against me by Outkast, Fyne Jr., and Victoria.
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Anlir: If you feel like the attacks warrant our attention, please follow the procedure outlined in the Rules for Engagement.
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Mickey this is an outstanding story, thank you for bringing it to the blog.
“Evidence that Demands a Verdict” by Josh McDowell is a powerful book which outlines the Evidence, and the verdict IS; Jesus is the answer, His death on the cross, His Resurrection are all true. The prophecy which is spoken of in the Old Testament and fulfilled in the NT are exciting. McDowell was was inspired to write this book. I met him several times, he’s a man who loves the LORD with all his heart.
Over 350 prophecies fulfilled — and as we watch the world today, we wait for the rest.
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I confess to crossing the line yesterday on a post contra Anlir and shall not do so in the future, however tempting.
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Cal Thomas says “businessperson”? I call it progress!
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I have handed McDowell’s book to people at work who were curious why I believe as I do. None of them has been converted yet, but we have great discussions (after hours).
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Xion,
Can you send me an email at make_it_man2 at yahoodotcom?
Thanks.
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When I saw this thread, I hoped the reference to Thomas and Beckel’s book would open a discussion of the way partisan politics has become a hating ground these days. Some people no longer seem able to say that they disagree with someone’s point of view without indulging in name-calling or innuendo. Even on this Christian blog there are corruptions of politicians names and/or character slurs using partial or deliberately misconstrued information. Personally, I find that juvenile, the sort of thing to which a person without a good argument resorts.
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Fyne,
You are making us Christians look bad. Please stop it.
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Yeah, Fyne, you’d provide a better example of our faith if you change the name of other Christian posters to expressions of bowel movements, as Lumpy does with Victoria’s moniker.
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Okay, simmer down, ya’ll. This is unnecessary.
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One difference between the relationship between these two men and the relationships between the poeple on this blog is that they know each other face to face.
On paper, the two men might have had bitter fights, but once you actually know somebody in person, it is possible to befriend even your staunchest philosophical or political opponents. I have several liberal friends whom I love as dearly as family, yet we disagree on so many issues.
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Most of the people I work with and “hang with” are liberal Democrats, and I count many of them as my best friends. I share my faith with them as the occasions arise, which often happens whenever I or one of them is going through a particularly difficult time in life.
I’ll always remember the long talks I’ve had with my Jewish friend, Larry Goldberg, who is almost like an older brother to me.
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I bet there’s a similar story about two people becoming friends after one of them stopped being a religious believer and became an atheist or an agnostic. Except they didn’t make such a honking big deal about; just quietly minded their own business.
Quite a few religious believers sure are drama queens.
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Yes, RN, I’ve noticed quite a bit of folks like Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris, et al “quietly minding their own business.” Certainly none of that crowds relishes drama or any sort of attention.
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That very silly. How Thomas and Beckel get in Christ? He let them in? How that work? They walk around, He walk around? Some kind Christ puppet? They look for common ground there? That Holy ground there. Silly.
You not in Christ. Christ in you. He get in any way He want. He Christ. Silly.
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Herb, the Bible uses the expression “in Christ.”
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Herb must be Asian. Sound like it from “way he talk,” at least.
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KayVee
That would have made for an interesting thread if there had been an attempt to explore where there are commonalities and where the divergences occur. Such a conversation might lead to actual understanding. A pity it did not develop that way.
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Kayvee and CB – We are waiting for you to lead us.
The commonalities and divergences are stated up front. They are political opposites but have found unity in Christ.
Liberals and conservatives often have similar goals, but disagree on how to get there.
Everyone wants a clean environment, energy independence, to help the needy, to improve education, to end racism, to improve health and build strong families and live in peace.
But I would argue that liberal methods usually accomplish precisely the opposite of their stated goals.
You don’t end racism with more racism (affirmative action). You don’t improve education by killing competition. You don’t build strong families by handing out condoms or killing off the children. Freedom of speech and religion are not achieved through censorship. Energy independence is not achieved by preventing domestic drilling. Air quality is not improved by preventing nuclear power production. You don’t help the poor by taxing businesses out of business. You don’t improve health care by putting the government in charge. You don’t secure our borders by granting illegals all the privileges of citizenship. You don’t make America safer by helping our enemies.
And so on …
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#21
If you are noticing them, they are not minding their own business.
If they are minding their own business, you are not noticing them clapping one hand.
Are the best Christians posting message after message on WOW?
Or are they praying, loving their spouses and children, caring for sick and poor, going to church, etc?
How would anyone notice them, either?
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#27: Google “Dan Barker”
Plenty of folks that aren’t Christian post on WOW. Are they “the best” or “the least” or “something inbetween”?
My point? Only one lens of those rose-colored glasses seems to be working.
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Random Name: When someone turns from “religion” to Atheism or Agnosticism, you quietly think, “Ah, someone enlightened!” and smile. When someone turns from Atheism or Agnosticism to Christ, the angels rejoice in Heaven. It’s hard to keep quiet.
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OP
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My point yesterday was not that there are divergent opinions on a variety of topics, it was that we [as a populace] seem to be losing the ability to discuss opposing opinions respectfully. I deplore the use of childish name calling [or altering] or unverifiable “quotes” from the hated candidate. When a candidate is quoted as saying something, the actual news report or document is the verification, not a string of one blogger quoting another blogger.
I know that in the distant past campaign rhetoric was more vile than it is today, but we seemed to have gotten past that for a while, only to be headed back in that direction lately. It’s usually not the candidates themselves that use hatred as a weapon, it’s often the everyday blogger or some low level surrogate that acts as if the other political party is the enemy, instead of just a group of people that see things differently than they do.
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One of the readings in today’s lessons in the BCP, is Romans 15. Verse 7 jumped out at me,
It can only be to God’s glory, then, for you to treat each other i the same friendly way as Christ treated you. (Jerusalem Bible translation)
A textual note: I love the translation, though honestly, it is a bit of a paraphrase. The key Greek verb, proslambanw doesn’t have an especially clean English counterpart; it packs a great deal of culture.
Anyways, this was the text that went into my journal. And it seems a good one to keep in mind when the political discussion heats up.
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Sorry, I just got here. Did I miss something? Outkast, or anyone else, how is your comment at 24 appropriate, what does it add to the conversation, and why am I the first person to ask?
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Panther,
To answer you questions from my point of view, it did not add anything to the conversation.
On the face of it, it could simply be an accurate description, because people for whom English is a second language are likely to use grammar and syntax that make sense to them from their native language until they learn English better. I have known few Asians who were not already fluent in English, so I wouldn’t know if there is any sound basis for Outkast’s guess.
I attempt to respond only to people’s actual statements and not speculate as to their intentions were in saying them. On that basis it seemed best to simply ignore the comment, which – taken literally – could simply be a description of observed language patterns.
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In Chinese (probably other Aisen languages, too) there are no plurals or tenses. So saying, “The horses were working hard” would sound like “Horse work hard”.
But anyway!
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#28
I met Dan Barker in person after he debated a prominent Christian apologist.
He was pleasant and personable. We had a brief, cordial argument. I said I didn’t see the point of “evangelical atheism.”
He said he did. We both got bored with the discussion and drifted away from each other.
Seriously, I have met Christians I liked and Christians I disliked.
I have met atheists I liked and atheists I disliked.
If you look at the history of Christianity, there are many excellent episodes and many terrible episodes. I would say that people at this website tend to be in denial about the latter.
The terrible episodes of atheism are more spectacular, especially in the last few centuries. However, atheism is not the “essence” of Communism and Communism is not the essence of atheism.
Atheism is not a “movement” by itself. It’s a lack of belief in God. It’s not going to free people or make them good.
Christianity may bring people to Heaven and God. I don’t think so; most here do.
Christianity has had a couple of thousand years to demonstrate that it solves the problems of our mundane world. I am a mundane person; I don’t think Christianity has made it’s case for the tremendous value for that world that most here think it does. Mileage varies.
I don’t claim to know how to make a better world. I’m just trying to take care of my family, help get my granddaughter started on an OK path, and calmly prepare myself for my end, which at 65 will be sooner rather than later.
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RN, just a couple of things. First, if you do not see or if you refuse to acknowledge the impact of Christianity on the western world (particularly since the time of the Reformation, but I would not bypass things like the rise of universities and such that came about in the Middle Ages), then that amounts to a gross denial of history. Christianity provided the worldview and rationale that made things you seem to take for granted, such as the rise of modern science or the existence of hospitals, possible. Remember that the next time you get in a vehicle to travel to a hospital. Only, don’t thank a Christian. Thank God.
Second, you do make lots of claims on this blog. Sometimes these are done in jest, sometimes not. In many ways, you are as “evangelical” as Mr. Barker, only not as aggressive. Being an agnostic is not really even accurate. If one were a consistent agnostic, he would attend a religious service of some sort at least 50% of the time. But one’s actions typically demonstrate what he really believes. I would also apply this to the person who claimed to be a Christian but lived his life much the same as you do.
Finally, you will not calmly prepare yourself for an end without being reconciled with God. This only comes through Jesus Christ. But I would be glad to talk with you about this more at length elsewhere.
That is, if you are really serious about prepare for your end (but 65 ain’t that close; my own dear mother is older than you, and she ain’t nowhere near the end!).
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