Texas schools enter uncharted territory
The Texas State Board of Education ruled last week that as early as this fall Texas high schools can start offering students an elective Bible course. The board, affirming an earlier decision, voted 10-5 to adopt broad standards for the Bible class, leaving schools responsible for designing their own Bible curriculum in a way that doesn’t violate religious-freedom protections. Critics caution, however, that without specific guidelines, schools will be vulnerable to lawsuits–which explains why many Texas districts are taking a wait and see approach.
“The good book deserves better than it got today, and so does the state of Texas,” [Mark Chancey, an associate professor and chairman of the department of religious studies at Southern Methodist University] said. “These courses can be a wonderfully enriching educational experience, but they must be taught in a way that is academically, legally and ethically appropriate. Teachers need and want resources to help them do just that.
“Instead, the board of education is sending them into a minefield without a map.”




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Just let the students silently read the Bible for the entire period of the class. Very Protestant.
Also, when I was a high school teacher I would have traded my (non-existent) eternal soul for an hour of silence in the classroom each day.
I suppose if some student from time to time cried out “Hallaluja!” or “Hot d*mn,” everybody could deal with it. (As long as they made an asterisk noise as they said it.)
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Even just teaching the Bible as literature, teaching the stories as stories, will help kids get along in the world. At least they’ll get the references when people use words from the Bible.
There will always be a student or two who read more than the assigned reading, and that’s a good thing.
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Unless there are curriculum standards its a lawsuit waiting to happen. The silent reading technique will have students reading the violence of Genesis, Exodus and Judges, the erotica of Songs and for the Satanically inclined, Revelations.
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Wow, Texas may let students study the most influential book (by far) in all of human history? But they might get a better sense of how Western culture developed!!! What is the world coming to?
seriously, the aim should be education. If I taught such a class, I would understand my mission as a teacher and not a pastor. I would fully respect the backgrounds of every student and my only goal would be to help them understand the content and impact of that good book honestly. But I would also know that such honest understanding would do a lot of good without me prodding or proselytize.
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I meant, “proselytizing.”
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“Instead, the board of education is sending them into a minefield without a map.”
Well, that’s what many school boards are already doing to their students when they send them off. Why not do it to their teachers too? Seriously, there is no ‘map’ or curriculum that the boards can create that will change the fact that each class will be only as good as the teacher is. but most boards don’t understand that already.
In any case, with a better understanding of the Bible, the schools will be sending fewer kids out into the ‘minefields’ without a map!
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A Bible class in a public school is unnecessary, but it is fitting at the same time. As Joel Mark pointed out, the purpose should not be to preach the Bible, but to teach it as the influential piece of literature that it is.
And in case anyone is wondering, no, having a Bible class in a public school is in no way an act of Congress passing a law to establish a national religion.
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HRW has proved to have never read the Bible. This coming from his / her comment in post 3.
Satanically inclined Revelation???
are you mad……..or just plain evil?
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Most inner city schools in large urban cities have for decades been controlled by Socialist teachers who are agnostics at best, including those schools in San Antonio, Dallas and Houston. The graduation rate is about 50%-60% if you don’t count the kids that die before they graduate. If you test the ones that do graduate you will find that 50% have a 6th grade education with the average being an 8th grade education – also giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It’s about time someone in education got some religion in Texas.
I don’t know why I get the feeling that the since these suspect teachers were not given a curriculum and they can even follow one when it is provided, the only classes taught will be ‘The Bible Speaks Out About Gang Signs and Other Religious Secret Rituals, ‘The Bible for Agnostics, Atheists and Wiccans’ and ‘How to Not Break Parole While Performing a Safe and Reliable Abortion Using God’s Word’
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an elective Bible course
Way to go Texas. Your state school board is infested with creationist wackos who want to destroy science education, and now you’re going to teach the most idiotic book ever written.
Christians are morons, and they’re no better than the theocracy-loving Muslim terrorists.
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BobX – nothing like intelligent debate and dialogue.
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HRW,
We clearly do not think of the same thing when we talk about erotica.
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Whence the value statements from BobXXX? “Wackos,” “idiotic,” “morons”? So some birds have evolved flight, and some plants are poisonous. Which ones are morons? Some humans have evolved belief X, so *they’re* morons. Nice one.
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BobXXX pronounces, “Christians are … no better than the theocracy-loving Muslim terrorists.”
Of course they’re no better. They’re exactly equal. They have to be. How can any product of evolution be “better” than another, unless you impose some arbitrary value such as “tends to foster survival” or some such? Maybe BobXXX has evolved to the point where he can discern this yardstick…and I mean a literal, physical, 36-inch piece of wood “yardstick” that has written on it that which is “better” and that which is “not better,” because there can’t be any such thing as an unseen standard accessible to BobXXX or the rest of us.
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‘Way to go Texas. Your state school board is infested with creationist wackos who want to destroy science education, and now you’re going to teach the most idiotic book ever written.
Christians are morons, and they’re no better than the theocracy-loving Muslim terrorists.’
This notion proves, once and for all beyond a shadow of a doubt, that our schools have failed more horribly than one could possibly have thought previously.
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What a great idea! The bible can replace home ec, cooking and nutrition classes.
“Heap on wood, kindle the fire, consume the flesh, and spice it well, and let the bones be burned. Then set it empty upon the coals thereof, that the brass of it may be hot, and may burn, and that the filthiness of it may be molten in it, that the scum of it may be consumed. She hath wearied herself with lies, and her great scum went not forth out of her: her scum shall be in the fire
“I also will do this unto you… You shall sow your seed in vain, for your enemies shall eat it.” — Leviticus 26:16
“And ye shall eat the flesh of your sons, and the flesh of your daughters shall ye eat.” — Leviticus 26:29
“And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.” — Deuteronomy 28:53
“And toward her young one that cometh out from between her feet, and toward her children which she shall bear: for she shall eat them.” — Deuteronomy 28:57
“Through the wrath of the LORD of hosts is the land darkened, and the people shall be as the fuel of the fire: no man shall spare his brother. And he shall snatch on the right hand, and be hungry; and he shall eat on the left hand, and they shall not be satisfied: they shall eat every man the flesh of his own arm.” — Isaiah 9:19-20
Or maybe a civics class:
He that curseth his father, or his mother, shall surely be put to death. — Exodus 21:17
For every one that curseth his father or his mother shall be surely put to death: he hath cursed his father or his mother; his blood shall be upon him. — Leviticus 20:9
God commanded, saying, Honour thy father and mother: and, He that curseth father or mother, let him die the death. — Matthew 15:4
At the very least, truancy might go down, right? These passages and hundreds of other ones like them will scare a lot of kids half to death.
But that’s the whole idea.
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Arcadia,
I think you are missing the point. It’s not to teach kids to follow the Bible–it’s to teach kids ABOUT the Bible.
When I was in the 10th grade we studied world lit. We spent a good while on Machiavelli’s The Prince. As you can imagine, we were not taught to think like Machiavelli did, but we were taught about how he thought. I’m sure you can see the difference.
…and I hope you’re not going to suggest that the Bible is not an important piece of literature. It is easily worthy of having a course centered around it.
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All US students should have a working knowledge of the bible. There are too many references in our culture and literature that do not make sense unless you know the biblical ideas behind them. i would assume that it would be taught in classes with age appropriate students. With what the average student sees in movies, tv, books etc., I am surprised if any of them would be scared to death. Talk about a non-issue.
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It’s a great idea, if it weren’t an open invitation to have sunday school at taxpayer expense.
But if it weren’t that (and it clearly is, and although Ed has very little couth his comments about the state of science education in TX are spot-on) it would be great. Imagine taking a critical look at all those fancy dressed up falsifiable claims that are contained in the bible. What an opportunity to relinquish the iron grip this foolish book has on so many youth in this country.
Exam Question 1: Which account of King David’s war conquests is accurate, and which is false?
Exam Question 2: Where are all the dinosaur+panda bear+humans wearing iron+mockingbird fossils that the bible predicts should be found in the same layers?
Exam Question 3: Why do modern christians not bake their bread with heat obtained from burning human poop, as the lord commands?
That would be great. instead, we are going to get some John Freshwater stuff in TX and local school boards are going to pay the price for the state legislatures patented stupidity.
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Perhaps if Arcadia and Erasmus had the opportunity to read their Bibles in quiet they wouldn’t make such laughable mistakes.
The conditions in which cannibalism of children are mentioned describe the severe famines that resulted from siege states when God’s people persisted in rebellionand He lifted His protection. God was warning about a cursed state that the ancient Hebrews would bring down on their own heads if they left their covenant obligations.
Exam Question 1: Which particular discrepancies do you you have in mind?
Exam Question 2: Where exactly does the Bible predict fossil layers?
Exam Question 3: Modern Christians are not the prophet Ezekiel enacting a prophecy about Israels’ exile.
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ken try this one for some discrepancies.
#2 of course it doesn’t explicitly. but it does predict that the majority of life on earth perished at one time. If one believes that science is incorrect and the biblical chronology is an accurate proxy for the age of the earth, then it follows from that the fossil beds on the earth are at least in some fraction the dead bodies of organisms that perished in the flood.
thus we would expect to find fossil confirmation of this great deluge. strangely enough (actually, not so strangely, since it never happened) no such evidence exists.
#3, so the OT is irrelevant? Ok then. Not one jot or tittle, mind you.
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#8, 12
I was reflecting on my experience sitting in a pew listening to hour long sermons. I would read the Bible to pass the time and as a child found the first five books full of sex and violence, the Song of Solomon appealed to a boy who had yet to buy his first black market Penthouse and finally the satanic nature of Revelations refers to prolonged discussions of the anti-Christ in an age when Black Sabbath, Iron Maiden and Judas Priest. My understanding of the Bible has changed since then.
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We are all assuming that the teachers will know enough about the Bible to teach it correctly. Based on the Bible ignorance I’ve read on this blog, I have little confidence. If the intelligent posters here cannot understand a Bible verse in its context, why do we think the teachers will?
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Welcome back, Ed. My family prayers for you regularly.
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Graceland: I don’t question the fact that it has formed the basis for a lot of post-publication history and civics. In that sense, yes, it is important.
But, assuming that 2-3,000 years ago people really lived according to its prescriptions, most of that history has been the story of man freeing himself from its shackles.
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The fact remains that all the regulations and curriculums created by school boards and bureaucrats (on all sorts of subjects) will not change the fact that each class will be only as good as the teacher. Abuse will be possible (and likely) from each side of the belief spectrum, depending on whether the teacher in the class is an atheists or a theist.
For some, this calls for more lawsuits. For me, it calls for more vigilant parents.
And, we should reform tenure. It would make more teachers accountable to their mission to teach!
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HRW, it’s “Revelation”, NOT “Revelations.”
Over 30 years ago, my Bible professor heard me call it “Revelations,” and let’s just say he made sure I would NEVER ever make that mistake again. He didn’t just want to help me less ignorant, he didn’t want me to sound ignorant.
Scholars no longer use the title “Song of Solomon” either.
And HRW, remember, Satan does not fare so well in that last book of the NT.
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Okay, Erasmus. If the earth were being rapidly flooded by tons of water, what would die and be buried by mud first? Hmmm…..what about lizards and amphibians? Yes. Not terribly intelligent, they would be overcome rather quickly in the earlier layers of mud-soon-to-be-strata. Followed probably by……say……dinosaurs? Dinosaurs weren’t too bright either, I imagine. Mammals are smarter, but they would be buried soon after. Now humans are pretty smart. They would figure out that clothes drag them down into the water. Then they would swim and swim…..but soon drown. After all, it rained for forty days. Of course, not everybody would be able to swim. For example, the Neanderthal man, who is just a regular old man with arthritis.
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Joel I’m not too worried — Satan is of symbolic value only to those who enjoy putting the fear of God into people. Besides, Thomas Jefferson omitted it entirely from the Bible he edited, and wrote that he “considered it as merely the ravings of a maniac, no more worthy nor capable of explanation than the incoherences of our own nightly dreams”.Martin Luther found it an offensive piece of work and John Calvin had grave doubts about its value. So I’m in good company
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OT are you a Poe? that is good stuff.
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If the idea was to teach a critical approach to the Bible, the same as other books, that would be great. But the Christians would never stand for that so, yes, this will end up being taxpayer-funded Sunday school.
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Opinionated Teen: What about fish?
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Opinionated Teen: Here’s the problem with your notion: It doesn’t accord to reality.
By your scenario, if the reptiles and amphibians all died early on in your flood, they’d be preserved in a lower layer and that’d be all … but since reptiles and amphibians are still with us, the fossil record actually records them all through pre-history in various forms.
So some species appear in lower strata, others in higher strata, but they’re there all through.
I know you think you are extraordinarily clever and have, in one short post, undermined all of evolutionary science … but really, and I say this as gently as I can… you need an education, not just opinionation.
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29, HRW, I have learned to take it with a grain of salt when bloggers try to make their own arguments by presuming to put words into the mouths of famous people of history. Some bloggers are better than others at it. But it’s often just name-dropping and since Luther and Calvin and Jefferson left a record, I tend to just let them speak for themselves.
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HRW presuming to know the thoughts of great theologians such as Luther and Calvin bears the same weight as Jon Rowe presuming to know the thoughts of the Founding Fathers.
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Many Texas schools used to have a Bible class. My wife’s high school had one until some local busybodies threatened to sue and the school caved in. So much for tolerance. Their kids didn’t have to take the class. It was an elective. Why not let kids take it, if they want to?
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I thought for sure someone would make a clever reference to the Texas School Book Depository in this thread.
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Erasmus
What’s a Poe?
Mr. G.
You are right. I need to learn more about the subject, and that wasn’t a very scientifically correct rant. So next year I’ll take biology, and THEN I’ll undermine all of evolutionary science!
What’s an opinionation?
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There IS evidence of a worldwide flood, but evolutionists don’t want to talk about it. There have been sea creature fossils found on mountain tops. How would they have gotten there? There is evidence of the history recorded in the Bible, if you choose to see it.
Also, because the heavens and the earth declare the glory of God, we have no excuse for not knowing he exists and is the Most High. Nature tells us. If you choose to see it.
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BobXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX:
the more I see your posts here, the more I am content with knowing my Lord Jesus will undoubtedly defeat your anti-christian spew!
Have you nothing decent to say about us life-loving christians?
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TL at #39: There have been sea creature fossils found on mountain tops. How would they have gotten there?
They got there because the mountains were not always mountains. Before tectonic plates shifted and raised the mountains, the land was underwater.
Note: There are no fossils of CURRENT sea creatures found on mountaintops; only long-extinct ones. This makes no sense if you posit a global flood that put them there a few thousand years ago. There should be plnety of them. It makes total sense if you see that the last time the land was submerged was millions of years ago.
Now, the problem with citing this as evidence of a Flood is that NO OTHER evidence supports that interpretation. Wheras there is plenty of other evidence from many fields of science to support the scientific picture.
As I said when another poster raised this same argument on another thread, it’s like a doctor insisiting a patient has lung cancer because the patient has a cough, even though the patient also has a runny nose and fever, and no signs of lung spots on x-rays. You hone in on the one piece of evidence that can be argued to support your view and doggedly ignore all the ones that contradict it.
(Why are the Creationists suddenly all throwing this one around? Did a memo go out with the latest talking points or something?)
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If there isn’t a “Revelations” yet, it’s time to dig some up. Where’s Joseph Smith when we need him.
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