Victory, Part Two
A professor once told me that when you give a test, if 10% of the class flunks, it’s their fault. If 90% of the class flunks, it’s the teacher’s fault.
Yesterday’s blog post is definitely my fault. See, I wasn’t making fun of the hymn “Victory in Jesus.” I was making fun of people like me who used to be too “sophisticated” for a joyful hymn about Christ’s transforming power.
(In the ’60s, Narragansett Beer had a TV commercial where this guy walks into a bar and talks to the nasal-voiced bartender lady in a nasal voice. Then a woman with a sultry voice slinks in and the man talks to her in Charlton Heston sonority. The bartender lady is indignant: “Hey, you were making fun of me!” He replies, “No, I was making fun of her.”)
Second misunderstanding: You’re right that America’s Keswick’s Colony of Mercy isn’t a “step program.” Or rather, it is a one-step program. There’s one problem, the addiction. And there’s one solution, Jesus.
But Jesus has to be laid hold of every minute of every day. So in a sense, it’s a thousand-step program. Or, in more conventional terms—a process. (This is no “instant perfectionist” theology.) The process is learning to trust and obey Jesus, and all that that entails: prayer, worship, repentance, forgiveness, and hard work, and learning new habits.
That’s what they do at America’s Keswick, where the thinking is that all addictions are a worship disorder, not a disease (a much more hopeful diagnosis)—and that all of us have a bit of a worship disorder.




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“The process is learning to trust and obey Jesus, and all that that entails: prayer, worship, repentance, forgiveness, and hard work, and learning new habits.”
Psalm 16-
“Preserve me, O God; for in thee do I take refuge.
O my soul, thou hast said unto Jehovah, Thou are my Lord: I have no good beyond thee.
As for the saints that are in the earth, they are the excellent in whom is all my delight.”
Why would the saints be the ones in whom is all my delight? Because they are God’s angels of mercy in my life. The habit of delighting in the godly.
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Yep, sorry, Andree…yesterday’s post was not as simple as it could have been. This one makes it a bit better. Thanks!
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Andree,
Thanks for reminding us that it is a daily walk. God set me free from the bondage of drugs, alcohol, homosexuality and many other sins while I was a resident of the Colony of Mercy at America’s Keswick. No one told me that the Lord would deliver me. Instead, they showed me how to call on the power of God through His word, prayer and the body of Christ. They entered into the darkness with me. The ministry at America’s Keswick helped me to trust when I was so broken and distracted by the world that I couldn’t hear God’s voice. I still struggle with temptation; however, I live with Victory in Jesus by knowing that the old man died on the cross with Christ and that I can submit to God’s will through the strength of Jesus Christ. I Praise The Lord for the work done at The Colony of Mercy.
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I got it yesterday…but thanks for being humble enough to take the blame.
I appreciated the thread discussion on sanctification and the Keswick movement. I grew up getting it wrong, and have only learned about this recently.
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Andree,
“Yesterday’s blog post is definitely my fault.”
And you’re a better person for admitting it!
However, I’d still like some sort of explanation of how a protestant Christian person can arrive at your stage in life without a good deal of exposure to, and a great deal of appreciation for “Victory in Jesus”. Your name sounds foreign, were you raised in another country, or some rare denomination??
Don’t take offense (in case you’re a left winger, since they take offense at nearly everything). I’m just curious.
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RRBAR #5: Those of us who have been reading Andree for a while have learned that she is a widow and her husband passed his ethnic name to her at marriage.
I got all the way to college missing the great music in the psalter. (How I now love “The Law of God is good and wise, and sets His will before our eyes, shows us the way of righteousness, and leads to death when we transgress…” It took meeting my wife and attending churches in her flavor to get that experience. If “Victory in Jesus” espouses Keswick theology then churches without that theology will not sing it.
Now, with the current trend in many churches in favor of chorus music instead of hymns, we are likely to have many more protestant Christian people without exposure to “Victory in Jesus.”
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EFARMER.NY,
Thanks for trying, but my question stands.
You missed the psalter, Andree missed “Victory in Jesus” and probably a lot of other hymns that I would associate with evangelical Christianity. Where were you guys hiding in the 20th century?
That’s all I’m asking!
Now you’ve hit on a sore point with the comment about chorus music! I pity the people that have to suffer through that stuff! Some may not consider it suffering – because they don’t know what they are missing.
My background is Southern Baptist, but I will no longer attend SBC churches because they’ve all gone to that kind of music, multiple repeated verses, mind control tactics, lyrics worthy of a 6 year old, etc. Presently, we attend Methodist, Lutheran, and Anglican, but haven’t joined one yet.
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RRBAR #7:
Some people would say that we should stick with chanting. Wasn’t it King David who put horns, stringed instruments and drums into worship? Don’t get too caught up with your favorite music style. Singing a “new song” occurs several times in the Bible.
Do you use a flavor of Linux when computing? If not, where were you when graphical user interfaces became free to download? I definitely associate Linux with cheap personal computing.
I don’t own a microwave. Will you someday ask my kids where they were in the 21st century?
For good or bad we are products of our families and the exposures they give us.
Note – I don’t have any argument with you…I just don’t understand your question, I guess.
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Efarmer.NY,
“Note – I don’t have any argument with you…I just don’t understand your question, I guess.”
And I don’t understand your answer! Two ships passing in the night?
Initially, I was curious about Andree’s background, denomination, geographical location that she calls home, etc. I’m curious who I’m dealing with here on this blog, not just Andree.
And on the music, I’m not necessarily looking for a favorite, just something that doesn’t seem irreverent or offensive.
Oh, I guess you could refer to me as “DFarmer.TX” if I’m decoding yours correctly. (D for dirt)
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Andree,
Thanks for the clarification. I read Keswick, thought of instant sanctification and then read into the piece my own disappointment with ineffective recovery solutions.
Your ending has me puzzled. I have heard many pithy Christian slogans offered as recovery solutions: “Just turn it over to God”, “You have too much self”, “Just get more of the Word in you”, “what you have is a worship disorder”, “just reckon it dead” etc.
My addiction is a worship disorder? Am I not clapping hard enough? Do I need to be more focused? Is it the reading-the-bulletin-during-the-song thing? Do I sing too softly? Should I sway more?
I know you don’t mean any of these silly things I suggest but it is really not clear what it is you do mean and how exactly it relates to my fighting with myself in the car desperately wanting to stay on the road but overcome with a tidal wave of emotion that only wants to pull off and act out. Andree, I prayed, I cried tears, I quoted scripture, I tried to worship with all my heart and still failed miserably. What’s a broken Christian supposed to do?
For me, recovery has helped me understand exactly what I am powerless over (and will always be powerless over), at what point my insanity kicks in, and at what point God restores me to sanity and I find deliverance if I trust him for that day or that hour or maybe even thirty seconds. I might be able to write a tight paragraph or a 600 word piece to describe it, but there is certainly more to the problem and solution than the quick and pithy slogans frequently offered from my brethren in the church.
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RRBAR (Dfarmer.TX)
OK, when online I cultivate one way (e) but at home I cultivate in the dirt (d) too. I’m trying to learn all I can about high-brix cropping systems so my actual garden is pretty small for a farm. I do have a plow but I’m limiting myself to some rototilling and double-dug beds for the time being.
The livestock end of the farm is what we do ‘commercially,’ if you can call 4 cows, 3 sows, 6 goats and various chicken flocks a viable (part-time) commercial enterprise.
I was raised with mild Calvinistic leanings in a denomination that does not take a stand on such matters (C&MA). My wife is Reformed Baptist stock. We met at a Free Methodist college. We homeschool our children, drink raw milk, don’t have health insurance and live in the central part of the state.
I guess that summarizes most of my contributions to this site over the past months.
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This is my objection with this BLOG idea…
I have watched and read and …frankly am stunned about how some of you behave or comment on this site!
I know Andree personally … and I know that she NEVER MEANT to offend anyone with ANY remark or words she says …not only here on this blog but in her own personal life.
Lets be kind in the words that are written…
Lets treat others with the same compassion that we want to be given to us…
IF SHE IS WRONG… LET GOD WORK IT OUT WITH HER.
THERE IS NO NEED FOR THE WAY THAT THINGS ARE WRITTEN HERE …(SO UNKIND AND UNCOMPASSIONATE).
IF I WERE HER.. I WOULDN’T READ THE COMMENTS B/C THEY AT TIMES ARE SO CRUEL …MAYBE ITS THE WRITTEN WORD AS OPPOSED TO THE SPOKEN WORD …
THAT SEEMS SO UNKIND…
EITHER WAY …
LET’S LOOK FOR WAYS TO BUILD EACH OTHER UP ..RATHER THAN ALWAYS ASSUMING THE WORST ABOUT EACH OTHER… IF YOU THINK SHE’S WRONG PRAY FOR HER.
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I UNDERSTOOD WHAT SHE MEANT IN THE ORIGINAL BLOG ..BUT I ALSO VERY MUCH APPRECIATED HER CLARIFICATION HERE.
ANDREE..THANK YOU FOR THE WORK YOU DO HERE.
IT IS AN ENCOURAGEMENT TO ME AND OTHERS HERE DAILY AROUND THE WORLD.
MANY THANKS!
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MSWAGG – Actually, I wish Andree would participate in the comments section. Sometimes people will criticize something she’s written or have a question, & I wonder what her answer would be.
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Andre’s mention of Narragansett Beer takes this teetotalling Red Sox fan back a good number of years as the paragraph below intimates. ‘Gansett (as the beverage was known here in New England) capitalized on their catchy advertising slogan that began with a warm and friendly (for cold New England) “Hi, Neighbor!”
“In 1945, New England’s Narragansett Beer sponsored the first telecasts of Boston Red Sox games, though neither the brewery nor the baseball team seemed overly confident about the then-infant medium. In fact, Sox management granted Narragansett the sponsorship rights free of charge, telling brewery officials, ‘We don’t know what we’re doing, and neither do you.’”
(Quote lifted from BeerHistory.com)
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EFarmer.NY,
We are grass farmers, let the cattle harvest it and sell the cattle. We are city refugees, been out here a few years now. We admire your courage, going without health insurance. Have you looked into some of the Christian cost sharing groups, such as Samaritan Ministries? That’s what we use, much less expensive than insurance. And I certainly understand the desire for home schooling. My kids are grown, late 30’s in fact, and one in particular bears the scars of government schools.
You live in a lovely part of the state, but I’m not so sure about the raw milk, haven’t had any of that since I was a kid!
Take care,
DFarmer.Tx
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RRBAR, I have looked at Samaritan Ministries (and one other cost sharing group) but hesitated giving up our health insurance because we have wondered whether it truly provides sufficient coverage. Would you mind sharing your personal experience with claims? Have they been met to your satisfaction? (Thank you!)
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In thinking about it, it is not more hopeful to be told I have a “worship disorder” than I have a “disease”.
We Christians are notorious for giving information that is 100% accurate but 100% useless. To me, it has the feel of telling an alcoholic, “you know what your problem is? You drink too much!”
The term disease simply means that one’s body and mind reacts abnormally to situations. Everyone has problems but most people don’t get drunk or act out over them.
It does not absolve the person from the moral consequences as Christians often fear. Just like if I was told I have diabetes, it doesn’t absolve me from eating right – rather it means I have to do so all the more earnestly.
Expounding upon my addiction as a disease pinpoints the mechanism of exactly why I do what I do and why I feel powerless over it. Having established that, it means I have to seek God all the more earnestly because I have a vulnerable area that most people don’t have.
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