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Whirled Views 8.7
Happy Thursday!
In honor of the first San Diego Chargers home game on Saturday (even if it is pre-season), I give you the first football quote of the 2008-09 season: “When I played pro football, I never set out to hurt anyone deliberately — unless it was, you know, important, like a league game or something.”
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Dick Butkus
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Good Morning Shipmate. Steady as she goes: All ahead 1/3. I sure am glad to have you back Lynn. Glad you are feeling better.
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Ten years ago, August 7, 1998, U.S. Embassies in Kenya and Tanzania were bombed nine minutes apart by al-Qaeda terrorists. Eleven Tanzanians, 201 Kenyans and twelve Americans died. Clinton was outraged and shot some cruise missiles into the desert of Afghanistan. He wanted to show that America would not tolerate such attacks. It made lots of noise, kicked up lots of sand and lots of al-Qaeda would have been killed had they been there. He sent Bill Richardson to negotiate with the Talaban to surrender Ben Laden. They didn’t, of course. I can’t understand the obsession with Ben Laden. The jihad will go on, with or without him. Surely, Ben Laden dead is the preferred outcome, but it doesn’t solve anything. But, as Bush says, “We need to bring him to justice”, whatever that does. The media would love the trial.
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Hi, everyone. I wrote a post entitled “Music and Morals” on my blog. I would like to read what some of you think.
I talk about how the “decadent” music of one generation becomes the mainstream music of the next. I also talk about the fact that musicians like to snicker at prudes who think that their lifestyles are immoral, but the fact is that many of them do lead immoral lifestyles.
My main point is that music cannot make somebody do immoral things, but some of the same attitudes that influence jazz or rock music are the attitudes that lead people into things like heavy drinking, drugs, ilicit sex, and so on.
Click on the link below if you want to read the whole post.
http://renaissanceguy.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/music-and-morals/
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I would agree with you that musical notes don’t cause immoral acts, but if you are together with a GROUP of people who are doing such things as heaving drinking, drugs and illicit sex, odds are they won’t be listening to Bach or Beethoven either. Soothing music won’t cause antisocial activity, but music can enhance a mood, and if one’s mood is antisocial, then perhaps there is something in music that makes a contribution towards “bad” acts. I probably didn’t explain that well.
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Ever notice that some music seems to make you drive faster and less carefully.
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A real non sequitur. According to Robert Spencer in Human Events, Turkey is going to have to preserve democracy by banning a political party. The constitutional court has considered shutting down the ruling Justice and Development Party (AKP) because it is trying to destroy democracy and secularism in Turkey. Turkey’s current prime minister, Recap Tyyip Edrogan said, “… 99% of the people of this country are Muslim. You can not be both secular and Muslim! You will either be Muslim or secular …”
If sharia is imposed “in turkey, women and non-Muslims would be subjugated under a system of institutionalized discrimination; the freedom of conscience and speech would be restricted.”
So, if Turkey is to remain a secular democracy, they will have to ban the Islamic party. They may have to use the military to do that. Condoleeza Rice has “warned the Turkish military … not to act against the government.”
Condoleeza Rice doesn’t understand what’s going on. She should have been Jimmy Carter’s Sec. of State. It’s like the African governments. One man, one vote, one time. They vote to elect a president for life. In Turkey, they would have the same government as Iran. That would be very dangerous to the world.
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(Trying to tie in football w/Kyle’s music theme)
Ever notice that there is a marching band with lots of brass at football games and not a string orchestra?
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#3 Chas,
I believe that Clinton shot some missiles into Sudan and blew up and aspirin factory probably thinking that they were about to ask Osama to take an overdose. Clinton sent in Richardson to try to get Bin Laden released by the Taliban when the Sudanese offered him up on plate to Clinton 3 years earlier. Clinton claimed as an excuse for not taking him form the Sudanese that he didn’t have any legal way to hold him at the time.
The Bush administration immediately released the until then secret files that showed that Janet Reno as Attorney General has listed Osama bin Laden as an unindicted co-conspirator in the first bombing of the WTC in 1993. President Clinton in 1995 was one of a very few people in the world that knew Osama was wanted by the FBI and CIA for the murder of 6 Americans in the 1993 bombing of the WTC in 1993.
Clinton saying that he had no legal way to hold Osama in 1995 when Sudan said ‘please take this nut off our hands’ was a huge lie that eventually cost another 2,800 Americans their lives. He was just a typical lefty naive woosie that will get you dead if you let them. Clinton thought could appease Osama by talking nicely to him after being attacked over and over again – too many times to mention – just like the naive Obama thinks he can sit down an talk sense into insane terrorists heads who only want him dead.
Never ever trust you life to a lefty. The 1993 and 2001 WTC bombings, the al-Khobar Towers, bombing, the USS Cole, the two African embassy bombings, all on Clinton’s watch should make this clear with over 3,500 dead people – yet the left says the 3,500 US soldiers who died since then to stop this from ever happening again is oh so wrong and we should talk nice to these Islamofascist homicidal lunatics instead. Their insane naivety will get you killed Evey time – never forget it.
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Ugh. I just watched the Paris Spoof ad.
Yeah. I know, I’m a little slow. But y’know that airhead really gets to me.
“Hey America, I’m Paris Hilton, and I’m a celebrity too.”
“…I’m just hot”
So this “ad” is on “Be Funny or Die”. Do viewers get a choice in the matter? If that was funny then I’d rather die. If it’s not, then can Paris just….
I mean it’s like a train wreck. Ya just can’t look away.
I have this theory about celebrities, “pro” wrestling, and rags like Star and The National Enquirer. There’s a morbid fascination in our society with all things shallow and false…
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You know, I wouldn’t be surprised if Paris could win the election right about now.
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Peter L, I was in bands like that for nine years of my life (7th grade through three years of college).
I’m laughing as I try to picture a string orchestra playing at half time. Somehow the mood just wouldn’t be right, would it.
The predominatly brass band at football games goes along very well with the martial metaphors people use to describe the sport.
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“pro” wrestling is false?
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PeterL, ever try to march with a Bass violin?
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We had an electric guitar in the marching band my first year at UCLA. They’d push out the amps into the middle of the field and we’d march around him. Eventually, he switched to straight percussion . . .
And then, of course, there’s Woody Allen playing the cello in a marching band in one of his early movies–you know, back when his movies were funny.
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Lynnm,
I will be at the Charger game saturday, will you? My big problem is I am going as a guest of a Dallas Cowboys player so I can’t really Bolt up if you know what I mean.
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Chas @#3
In all fairness to Clinton, when he hit that munitions plant in Sudan (it was the Sudanese who said it was a pharmicutical plant and their integrity can’t really get you through a whole day) the ‘Pubs jumped all over it and said he was just wagging the dog. If we who lean right had only shut up, maybe he could have done the right thing.
Sometimes it is the patriotic thing to shut up and let a president we don’t like call the shots we don’t understand.
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In response to message #4:
Much of so-called “classical music” is immoral. Check the information at:
http://tiny.cc/classicalmusic
Just from one source alone, the following can be seen about the lives of famous classical composers.
Beethoven was a sullen and suspicious man. He had immoral affairs with women, but did not want to marry, so he always fell in love with women who could in no way marry him. That meant women who were already married, or who were high above him in social rank. Contemporary accounts say that on his death bed he raised up to shake his fist defiantly at a clap of thunder — which was interpreted as defiance against the elements, and against God Himself. A true interpretation of his music is thought to be a representation of “a strong-minded, even arrogant, reflection of a phenomenal musical intellect who was driven by illness and mental suffering to retreat completely into his own world.” What kind of music would come from his heart?
Tchaikovsky was a sodomite. There is said to be two types of sodomites — one that just plain hates women, and the other that loves women so much, he wants to be one himself. It is said that Tchaikovsky was in the latter group, which “helps explain the feeling of identification conveyed by the long-arched, proud, and sensuous melodies.” “Tchaikovsky and the ballerina were one. The world of the ballet — the romantic, fairy-tale world …its glamour …its supple rhythms — this world comes up again and again in Tchaikovsky’s music.” He was a nervous man, because he was afraid his sodomy would become open knowledge. Once again, the biographer notes, “The music reflected the man.” If even the world recognizes that, why can Christians not see the evil in his music?
Verdi, Saint-Saëns, Debussy, Brahms, Wagner, Schubert,Berlioz, and Chopin were all believed to be freethinkers or downright ATHEISTS. What music would their hearts produce?
Handel was attracted more to the theater, than to church music. Compare that to buying a record of Elvis Presley singing gospel songs. Gospel songs were certainly not Elvis’ true love, either!
Haydn, Gottschalk, Scriabin, Debussy, Strauss, Puccini, Glinka, Charpentier, Gounod, Brahms, Wagner, Verdi, Rossini, Liszt, Chopin, Berlioz, Weber, Schubert, Gorky, Purcell, Stravinsky, Poulenc, and others were said to have had immoral affairs. Can you honestly say that their music helps you relax? Relax into what — the arms of immorality?
Tchaikovsky, Berg, Shostakovich, Zerev, Ravel, and others were either confirmed or accused sodomites.
Scriabin, Rachmaninoff, Ravel, Mahler, Tchaikovsky, Chabrier, Wolf, Schumann, and others had mental troubles. Many were heavy drinkers, smokers, and some even used drugs. A great number had long hair. (The Lives of the Great Composers, by Harold C. Schonberg, @ 1970, Norton)
Music involves a build-up (foreplay) until it reaches a crescendo (climax). You can se where we are going with this. Well, I am not going there.
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#18 – Well aren’t you just a breath of fresh air!
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kbells,
On pro-wrestling.
Well lets just say that there’s a lot of play acting going on between the real parts of the “sport”. I mean, these guys have to be in good shape and all. And I think they take hits, but do you really think they move so slow that they can’t move out of the way when the “hit” is telegraphed for like, half an hour?
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#8 Peter L.
“Ever notice that there is a marching band with lots of brass at football games and not a string orchestra?”
It used to be that way. Now some schools have Drum and Bugle Corps (Blat, blat, blat) instead. If you think a band is harsh, wow!
Drum and bugle corps are the “Praise choruses” of marching music.
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That’s the sort of thing I meant, KBells and PeterL. Thank you.
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“Can you honestly say that their music helps you relax? Relax into what — the arms of immorality?”
Depends on what you’re doing there, RN. And who you’re doing it with. There is some jazz that …. well.
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Friends,
Check out today’s article in World Net Daily by one Gregg Frazer. I’m shared his research on these threads (he coined the term “theistic rationalist” to desribe the religion of America’s key Founders).
He writes an article defending John MacArthur’s anti-dominionist position. There is a very strong biblical case for anti-dominionism. Their understanding of Romans 13 is also quite controversial to “Christian Americans”; yet, as Frazer shows in this very article, it has quite a strong traditional in biblical orthodoxy (indeed, it was Calvin’s).
http://tinyurl.com/5hvjyt
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So RN, you’re saying we should look at the “musician,” not the “music”?
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I’m working through paperwork so my high school junior can register for classes tomorrow (school starts next Wednesday!). Among the forms I have to read and sign are a “student dance clearance.”
Maybe this belongs on the “You CAN legislate morality” page, but among other things, the sheet spells out inappropriate dancing:
“Dancing styles that involve intimate touching of the breasts, buttocks, or genitals, or that simulate sexual activity is NOT allowed; when dancing back to front, all dancers must remain upright–no sexual squatting or sexual bending is allowed, i.e. no hands on knees and no hands on the dance floor with your buttocks facing or touching your dance partner. See School district Sexual Harassment Guidelines.”
It goes on to remind us “staff members will be administering a breath analysis test to ticket holders upon entry in a pre-determined pattern. This testing will be done to discourage alcohol and drug use. In addition to the random use of breath analysis, staff may also administer the breath analysis on reasonable suspicion of use.”
No wonder my teenager doesn’t want to go to dances–I wouldn’t either!
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Random Name – King David was a lousy father, an adulterer and a murderer. Yet he was still “a man after God’s own heart,” redeemed and forgiven. He was no stranger to God’s grace, and he wrote some of the best poems in Hebrew literature. We still use them today in church, and they are holy writ.
Are we not all fallen? Does our fallenness tarnish the talents God has given to us?
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It is a slow day for Obama ridicule. He must have kept his trap shut so far today. I’m sure his socialist handlers told him to pipe down since he was losing this election all by himself over the last 2 weeks insane thoughts that slipped out of mouth. Don’t worry, it can’t last and we haven’t even started with this hype ….eeerrrr….I mean hope monger yet
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26 Michelle
While supervising middle school dances, the smell of puberty is enough to make me want to leave let alone the actions you describe.
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Who can believe it, here I am blogging at noon and listening to that homosexual composer Barber and Knoxville Summer of 1915 — I think I’m being perverted even as I write this. Those melodies~! The summertime feel… oh so delicious.
Enough of this perversion! Stop my ears! I need to clean them out, like this
Ah the things one does.
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I agree with Outkast on looking at the music vs. the musician.
It seems to me, Random, that you are giving music a special ability that it does not have, the ability to somehow promote the lifestyle of the composer. Tchaikovsky is my favorite composer and I listen to his works quite frequently. Have I been influenced by his works in my own music-making and composing? Yes. Have I been influenced by his works in my lifestyle. Not at all.
Additionally, the whole music=sex theory seems to me to be quite unfounded. Music often tends to grow as it progresses. Stories do this as well, and neither medium does so with the simplicity you imply (except perhaps for Ravel’s Bolero). Does this mean that stories=sex too? This all sems a little too Freudian for me.
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Harris:
As in Samuel Barber? Adagio for Strings Barber?
Now there’s music I can relax to.
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McCain urges Congress to get to work.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1jgLNP-KLHg
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As part of its election coverage, I hope WMB will be doing a thread and even an article on the recently uncovered irregularities in McCain’s fundraising. It looks like he’s trying to get around the very fundraising law he championed.
McClatchy (I don’t know, but they seem to be some Washington D.C. paper) picked up a story that was originally broken by Talking Points Memo:
Then the Washington Post ran a very similar story, but about different donors:
Then yesterday the New York Times ran something about it, pointing out that Saergant’s Jordanian business associate was helping bundle donations, too. They end it on a puzzling note:
He donated $9200 to a man he won’t vote for?
There are definite irregularities that need to be looked in to.
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JBH — the very same. And Knoxville… is well worth listening, too.
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CAFFERTY: John McCain was opposed to the Bush tax cuts until he decided he was for them. John McCain was opposed to offshore drilling before he decided he was for it. John McCain, in his years in the Senate, has voted with the Bush administration between 90 and 95 percent of the time. So this…this maverick stuff is a lot of hooey. And for him to claim that he’s some sort of Washington outsider who has — who’s divorced from the Bush administration is the ultimate hypocrisy.
[…] If any Republican can overcome the wretched stain of eight years of George Bush and win the White House, we deserve whatever bad things will happen to us.
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JJF,
We will convict McCain of breaking campaign finance laws if he is guilty and as soon as Obama gives back the $110 million he took in from large lobbyist donors he lied to the American people about never ever taking money from. This is way more than McCain took in from them by the way – but who is counting all the lies Obama as a pathological liar makes?
My goodness, I guess we should tell you that we are also looking at Obama’s financing of his past campaigns, his financial benefactors and how he managed to became a multi millionaire as being a poor community activist and state senator in Chicago – which just happened to be the most crooked in the country and he represented the most crooked of it when it came to political corruption. Maybe you could explain that?
People who live in glass houses shouldn’t throw stones. But, now that the left has attacked McCain on this issue – Obama is fair game and so are all of his cronies – like Pat Schroeder who is singing his head off right now to federal investigators to try to reduce his massive prison sentence. Rezko and many others will do the same. Rezko is explaining that there were two identical lots for sale for $950,000 each and why he paid $1.3 million for his lot and Obama only paid $600,000 for his. You don’t want to look at the Obama’s financing for his lot either.
I’m sure we will here all about it on the news – how shocking. Where will all end? The left really needs to do a better job at vetting their criminals before they run them for president. Some of us aren’t that trusting and actually find out the facts.
Last time the insane left tried to run a traitor in Komrade Koward Kerry and look what that got them a bunch of irate Swift Boaters who claimed he was a liar and a traitor and then proved it beyond a shadow of a doubt – and we already know were are right about Obama this time too.
I suppose you call us racists this time but everyone knows the left is only lying when their lips are moving
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Did anybody look at the website Random linked to? I hardly think RN was saying that he actually believes that, but was putting up an example of the clap-trap that some people buy into about music.
It seemed to be of the “Music is of the DEVIL!” school of thought. Normally, classical music gets a pass from that kind of thinking, but not in this case.
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John McSame’s AstroTurf Campaign
How many of you are signed up?
Spread John McCain’s official talking points around the Web — and you could win valuable prizes!
On McCain’s Web site, visitors are invited to “Spread the Word” about the presumptive Republican nominee by sending campaign-supplied comments to blogs and Web sites under the visitor’s screen name. The site offers sample comments (”John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan . . .”) and a list of dozens of suggested destinations, conveniently broken down into “conservative,” “liberal,” “moderate” and “other” categories. Just cut and paste.
People who sign up for McCain’s program receive reward points each time they place a favorable comment on one of the listed Web sites (subject to verification by McCain’s webmasters). The points can be traded for prizes, such as books autographed by McCain, preferred seating at campaign events, even a ride with the candidate on his bus, known as the Straight Talk Express, according to campaign spokesman Brian Rogers.
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John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan.
He’s going to read Greenspan’s book.
I’m going to win BIG prizes and a ride on the Double-Talk Express.
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It looks like McSame has borrowed the SAME idea China uses.
“The Chinese government has paid Chinese citizens token sums for each favorable comment about government policies they post in chat rooms and on blogs.”
McChina? McBush? McSame? McLame? = McCain?
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I’m godlumps, and I’m part of the McCain Action Team. (This part is necessary to win the prizes)
John McCain never settles for second best. He was a war hero you know. When his first wife got little long in tooth and money got tight, he dumped that old hag and married a beer heiress. He’s a stand up guy who follows through on his commitments and does whatever it takes to get free beer and cash.
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I’m godlumps, and I’m part of the McCain Action Team.
The number of newly laid off people signing up for jobless benefits last week climbed to its highest point in more than six years as companies cut back given the faltering economy.
Don’t worry. John’s got Greenspan’s book. There’s nothing to worry about. McCain married an heiress and she’s stinkin RICH!
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Godlumps – Now I realize what your problem is – you wish you had married stinkin’ rich Cindy, & you’re jealous!
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BANGKOK — U.S. President George W. Bush expressed his concern about the fate of political dissidents in China and his determination to bring an end to the “tyranny” of the military regime in Myanmar a day before he is expected to attend the opening of the Olympic Games in China.
McCain is such a maverick he hired Doug Goodyear who led a PR campaign to burnish the Myanmar junta’s image, drafting releases praising Burma’s efforts to curb the drug trade and denouncing “falsehoods” by the Bush administration that the regime engaged in rape and other abuses. Goodyear is CEO of DCI Group, a consulting firm that earned $3 million last year lobbying for ExxonMobil.
If Goodyear can make Myanmar look good, he should do wonders for McSame.
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She’s far too long in the tooth for me, Karen.
And as a member number 16 of the McCain Action Team I am not allowed to hit on her.
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BAGHDAD (AFP) – - Iraq on Thursday postponed provincial elections due in October after MPs failed to agree the necessary legislation in time, in a blow to US-backed efforts to consolidate national reconciliation.
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“I can confirm to you that we have lost the chance to hold the elections in October,” Qassem al-Aboudi, administrative director of Iraq’s electoral commission, told AFP after a meeting with the United Nations.
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Oh, I’m so going to abuse this.
John McCain has a comprehensive economic plan that will create millions of good American jobs, ensure our nation’s energy security, get the government’s budget and spending practices in order, and bring relief to American consumers.
Submitting it now…
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Getcher Metaphors Here!
Tasty Red Hot Metaphors!
Politics is tough. So is driving in Miami. Just ask Sen. John McCain’s tour bus driver.
The expected Republican nominee’s tour bus got tangled in a traffic accident about 3 p.m. Wednesday on 55th and Biscayne Boulevard.
No one was injured. Both vehicles were damaged, but the van got the worst of it.
Sen. McCain was not traveling on the bus when the accident occured.
The bus driver, along with Sen. Joe Leiberman and an aide, were traveling south on Biscayne when they collided with a blue van, according to Miami police.
McSame/Loserman in 2008!
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#38
Thank you.
The Taliban tried to ban all music in Afghanistan.
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GL, JJF, y’all could prove without a shadow of a doubt that McCain killed and ate my cat and I would still vote for him to keep Obama out.
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RN (#18),
I notice that you didn’t include J.S. Bach or any of the other Bachs. One man (Frank Garlock) believes that Bach was a Christian, but he probably wasn’t an immoral man.
Chas, if Osama Bin Laden is “eliminated,” not only will the world be slightly safer, but also, he will be brought to justice, Al Qaeda will have temporarily lost a leader (until another takes his place), and the mastermind of so many terrorist attacks responsible for many deaths will be gone. With enough money you can do practically anything you want to. That’s the problem; bin Laden is a billionaire.
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RN,
My bad. The link didn’t work for me so I just kinda assumed.
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I treasure this frank admission, KBells. I suspect it is the position of most people on this blog.
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jjf, That is not an admission of how bad I think McCain is. It is an admission of how bad I think Obama is.
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kbells-
We were having a discussion about this on another thread, and that you would vote for McCain no matter what he has done confirms what we concluded.
People here, for the most part, are not conservatives. They are authoritarians.
Theodore M. Vestal of Oklahoma State University has written that authoritarianism is characterized by:
* “Highly concentrated and centralized power structures,” in which political power is generated and maintained by a “repressive system that excludes potential challengers” and uses political parties and mass organizations to “mobilize people around the goals of the government”;[1]
* The following principles: “1) rule of men, not rule of law; 2) rigged elections; 3) all important political decisions made by unelected officials behind closed doors; 4) a bureaucracy operated quite independently of rules, the supervision of elected officials, or concerns of the constituencies they purportedly serve; 5) the informal and unregulated exercise of political power”;[1]
* Leadership that is “self-appointed and even if elected cannot be displaced by citizens’ free choice among competitors”;
* No guarantee of civil liberties or tolerance for meaningful opposition;[1]
* Weakening of civil society: “No freedom to create a broad range of groups, organizations, and political parties to compete for power or question the decisions of rulers,” with instead an “attempt to impose controls on virtually all elements of society”;[1] and
* Political stability maintained by “control over and support of the military to provide security to the system and control of society; 2) a pervasive bureaucracy staffed by the regime; 3) control of internal opposition and dissent; 4) creation of allegiance through various means of socialization.”
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And McCain fits that definition? You are losing it. Really losing it. Such desperation!
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My friends, I’m godlumps, and I’m part of the McCain Action Team.
It looks like McCain is going to choose Joe Liberalman as his VP, in my official role as member #16 on the McCain Action Team, and knowing your unquestioning allegiance to St. McSame, I’d like to get your input on some bumper sticker ideas.
1- Instead of the W ‘08 stickers with a flag, we’ll go with an upside down W, or M as some may prefer to call it, in the same format.
2- McSame-Loserman ‘08
3- FOUR MORE YEARS with the M ‘08 logo
4- InSane-Loserman ‘08
Vote for your favorite and we’ll send you a free sticker and enter you for a drawing for a free bus ride (after we fix the bus).
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NJL-
It describes the Bush administration to a T. And the Bush administration is telling Loyal Bushies to vote for McSame. It’s not your fault. You’re just doing what you’re told by the authoritarians. Good girl.
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GL #56: …that you would vote for McCain no matter what he has done confirms what we concluded… People here, for the most part, are not conservatives. They are authoritarians.
Huh? Where do you get that? All it confirms is that KBells thinks Obama is so bad that McCain couldn’t possibly out-bad him. Please spell out the logic that supports the huge leap to your conclusion.
And whatever it says about KBells, it confirms nothing about “people here, for the most part”, though I’m sure many do agree with her.
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Remember how McCain got paid $300,000.00 by the Hess Oil people to flip flop on his offshore drilling stance? (the scandal where the secretary and her Amtrak employee husband gave $60,000.00)
It turns out McCain has two Hess lobbyists on his campaign. Wayne Berman, McCain’s national finance co-chairman, and John Green, who’s been the McCain campaign’s chief Congressional liaison since March.
Who would have ever guessed?
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Mccain could kill her cat and she would still vote for him – just like she has been told to do by President Bush. Another good girl who deserves a pat on the head and a bus ride with Grampy McSame.
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MIAMI (AP) — A man is being held in Florida by federal authorities on charges of threatening to assassinate Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama.
Raymond Hunter Geisel was ordered held without bail Thursday at a brief court hearing.
no word if this is the McCain aide that was riding with Liberalman in the Insanity Express when it crashed earlier today.
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The Taliban didn’t try to eleminate music from Afghanistan. They DID.
I read in America Alone by Mark Steyn, that Burger King succombed to jihad threats by Mr. Rashad Akhtar, in England, that the creamy twirl shown on the lid of it’s ice cream cone whirl looked like the word “Alah” in Arabic script.
I googled it, and it was so.
“Even a loser can win when he’s up against a defeatist.”
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Oh, PLEASE hurry up and get here already, November! I can’t wait for the election to be over! Then maybe we won’t be subjected to Godlumps’ constant political carping!! It’s really getting old.
Nah – we’ll just have four more years of the carping because his candidate will not win the election.
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Godlumps, I posted this link elsewhere but I thought you would appreciate it.
http://www.themodernword.com/eco/eco_blackshirt.html
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“just like she has been told to do by President Bush.”
GL, I haven’t been in communication with President Bush for some time now. Even then he didn’t mention McCain. He did try to warn me about you though.
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Klasko,
I think he deserves to be tied up and force fed muzak and spam for a month.
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GL 62: I see. George Bush told her to vote for McCain. She plans to do so no matter what. Therefore it must follow that she’s doing it because he said so. She couldn’t possibly have any other reason. Therefore we are for the most part authoritarians.
Even Superman couldn’t make that leap.
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MIM – you volunteering? I’ll help.
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And watch old Woody Allen re-runs….
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LIMA, Ohio — Lobbyists have caused trouble for Senator John McCain’s presidential campaign this year, and now comes the latest chapter, this one highlighting potential job losses in a swing state.
This afternoon, Mr. McCain is meeting privately with local officials and citizens upset that more than 8,000 jobs would be lost by the planned closure of a DHL shipping hub in Wilmington, Ohio. The wrinkle is that Mr. McCain’s campaign manager, Rick Davis, lobbied Congress five years to approve a proposal by DHL, a German-owned company, to buy Airborne Express, a U.S. company that operated out of the site.
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Thanks for the link HRW. I’ll have a look after I find some more McInsane news to share
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You beat me to it so here’s the video link to #72
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SYxrevYydL8
John McCain met with people in Wilmington, Ohio, he didn’t need a cue cards to understand why they’re worried about deep job losses at the local freight airport.
Little known to those people, McCain and his campaign manager, Rick Davis, played roles in the fate of DHL Express and its Ohio air park as far back as 2003.
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Those poor sheeple are staring down the barrel of the gun that shot them. Loyal Uninformed McBushies are the norm at these things.
MCCAIN: “[...] I’ve got to look you in the eye and give you some straight talk; I don’t know if I can stop it or not. Or if it will be stopped it. [...] In fact, some more straight talk: I doubt it. Ok? But I am for a thorough examination of this situation. [...]
What he should say – if he were honest and really committed to Straight Talk.
My loser friends, it happens that it was my Campaign Manager Rick Davis who set this deal up and cost you your jobs, so write me a check and your whining out of here. This is all psychological.
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Good grief. Now he’s calling conservatives uninformed. Sometimes, but not all the time, if you ignore the problem, it will go away.
The advice on what to do about trolls and other posters with that mentality was laugh back at them, right? OK, blehhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Just kidding.
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RIO,
Do you think McCain had the candor or courtesy to tell the people the truth? It sure didn’t sound like it. Not only did his campaign manager lobby for the deal that cost these sheeple their jobs, his economic adviser called people like them whiners, and the GOP slogan is this is all psychological. Yes. Feeding your kids and paying your mortgage while out of a job is a psychological condition. I see.
The guy is divorced from reality, and his biggest concern is which of his wife’s 10 mansions to stay at for the weekend.
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And RIO-
I’ve noted the Loyal Uninformed McBushies (LUMs) are NOT conservatives. They are Authoritarians doing as King George commands, even though it goes against their best interests. Keep up
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If you really want to torture me like a good McBushie, skip the muzak and play Bush or McInsane speeches. The way they butcher the language and start every sentence with, My Friends, is plenty torturous.
Lord, please don’t make us listen to McInsane call us his friends for 4 years.
What do you bet he called the jobless people his campaign guys created, his friends too. Sick man.
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MIM – The troll on this blog brings to mind a certain obnoxious child in my extended family who thought it was OK to interrupt every conversation going on and to try to hijack every conversation with inappropriate outbursts. Made me want to slap the parent or the person who was in charge of this self centered brat and straighten them out too. They were very permissive parents. We stopped inviting them to family functions.
I think it will take more than a cold shoulder and the silent treatment to dampen our troll’s enthusiasm for disruptive and off topic outbursts.
Ahem! Would the parents of the unruly child take care of the situation and give the child a place to play (maybe limit the outbursts to one place – I don’t know, open a daily troll thread and direct him there) so those who want to entertain the child may do so and everyone else can carry on a civil conversation?
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My favourite political author, Naomi Klein writes about China; where the police state integrates with the free market.
http://tinyurl.com/5zwc5w
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Although it goes against my better judgment, I will reply, GL.
I’m not a “McBushie,” whatever they are, and no, I am not a McCain supporter. I think he is better than Obama, however. I am pretty sure that even though not everyone agrees with McCain, they’re tired of you bashing him and Bush all the time.
Even if they agreed with you, saying the same thing every single day gets old.
I wonder what would happen if I registered as “The Troll’s Parent.”
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Kalsko-
If you are referring to me, I suggest you refer to the Rules of Engagement. Name calling is not allowed here, nor are personal attacks — unless you are a Loyal McBushie — then name calling and personal attacks are accepted. Are you a Loyal McBushie?
Here at World On The Web we are encouraged to introduce or discuss any subject that interests us in the World Views forum, so laong as it is not profane or sexual. I am fascinated by John McCain. So much so that I have joined his campaign as member #16 of the McCain Action Team and am earning points toward a free ride on his bus. You should sign up too, but then you would have to write about the great things John is doing for us, rather than post personal attacks and call people names.
Enjoy!
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“Even if they agreed with you, saying the same thing every single day gets old.”
Every day I bring NEW news from the McSame campaign, or updates on previous issues. I admit that I have commented about the joke he likes to tell. You may have heard it. It’s about a woman who is viciously raped by a gorilla and left for dead. His punchline is that she really liked it a lot. Sicko. Well, that is about the only thing I have brought up more than once. Each day a new opportunity to share the greatness of John McSame.
See. Now you are part of the discussion. That wasn’t so hard was it? It’s a lot better than pouting in the corner or talking in a passive aggressive manner. More grown up too.
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OH Klasco,
I just read —– “Ahem! Would the parents of the unruly child take care of the situation and give the child a place to play (maybe limit the outbursts to one place – I don’t know, open a daily troll thread and direct him there) so those who want to entertain the child may do so and everyone else can carry on a civil conversation?” —–
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“The decision by Pakistan’s new ruling alliance to impeach the country’s President, Pervez Musharraf, has sparked jubilation as well as fears across the country.
If current opinion polls are anything to go by, Mr Musharraf has become the most unpopular leader in the country’s history.”
I wish our ruling alliance had a spine and would impeach our most unpopular President. There would be dancing in the streets.
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Vic0-
Bless your heart, dear.
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Now I understand why McCain is so desperately running around the country looking for large gatherings of people to be photographed in front of, and offering his wife up to a bunch of bikers. No way he can draw these numbers.
“DENVER (AP) — In less than 24 hours, some 60,000 Coloradans requested tickets to Barack Obama’s acceptance speech — more than the number available to state residents, campaign officials said Thursday.”
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How Long?
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Victoria, do not sign me up for nursery duty. I won’t go, I tell you! I won’t go!
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“In the many, many years that I’ve been in Washington, John McCain is far and away the most emotional politician I have ever met. … McCain is all emotion. People don’t understand that, so they keep talking about his temperament, his temper. He reacts emotionally, therefore unpredictably.”
Kaiser reported that the official insisted “on anonymity to avoid upsetting McCain” (a none-too-surprising request, based on the source’s view of his acquaintance).
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A troll is someone who engages in trollish behavior, such as spamming threads with disruptive and repetitive posts and links, and interrupting other vonversations going on.
Godlumps, whyever would you imagine that I am referring to you in my post? Guilty conscience? I never called anyone by name. But if the shoe fits…
Oh, and there is a difference between ahering to the letter of the law (rules of engagement) and the spirit of the law.
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George Bush & Company had eight years to demonstrate that they know how to govern America. However, if you hate government, it is hard to govern. The religious right, quasi libertarians who hang out at this web site, are not very comfortable when their side “has the ball”; they are much more comfortable blaming and casting aspersions against the bogeyman enemy than defending their side when in power.
That’s why Radical Agnostics endorse McCain.
McCain in 08: We Haven’t Suffered Enough Yet.>/i>
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Random
The latest issue of Harper’s may interest you;
The main article is entitled The Wrecking Crew –
the essential idea is the lack of respect the right has for gov’t allows them to destroy gov’t when they are in power with no regrets.
http://www.harpers.org/archive/2008/08/0082132
Would 4 years of McCain destroy the republican party? teach Americans a lesson about goverance? or destroy American power? The later is not a good idea as the alternative may be worse hence this foreign agnostic can’t endorse your message.
You may also enjoy the cartoon on fiscal conservatives.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYEGx1D3huU
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Random Name-
As an important member of the McCain Action Team I request your permission to run your slogan by Johnnie. I think he’ll love it.
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To whom were you referring, Klasko? I’m all ears.
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I refuse to get caught up in petty quarrels with those who can only say things (intended to be insulting) like this.
“See. Now you are part of the discussion. That wasn’t so hard was it? It’s a lot better than pouting in the corner or talking in a passive aggressive manner. More grown up too.”
[sound of door closing]
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And Klasko-
I’ll have you know that as an esteemed member of the John McCain Action Team, accusing me of spamming is an attack on John McCain’s War Hero status and will not be tolerated. Not only that, you haven’t a clue what you are talking about. Spam is not information you wish to remain ignorant of.
Most spambot forum spam consists of links, with the dual goals of increasing search engine visibility in highly competitive areas such as weight loss, pharmaceuticals, gambling, pornography, real estate or loans, and generating more traffic for these commercial websites. Some of these links contain code to track the spambot’s identity if a sale goes through, when the spammer behind the spambot works on commission.
Spam posts may contain anything from a single link, to dozens of links. Text content is minimal, usually innocuous and unrelated to the forum’s topic. Full banner advertisements have also been reported.
Alternately, the spam links are posted in the user’s signature, in which case the spambot will never post. The link sits quietly in the signature field, where it is more likely to be harvested by search engine spiders than discovered by forum administrators and moderators.
Recently, a very destructive forum spam attack has been propagated by inserting into comments redirect domains with an automated posting script like Xrumer. These domains redirect a user to pornographic Websites. If a user clicks on the image or attempts to close the Website an ActiveX codec will be downloaded as a Zlob Trojan[1].
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And Klasko before you go on with your whining and say this is a blog, which it is not:
Spam in blogs (also called simply blog spam or comment spam) is a form of spamdexing. It is done by automatically posting random comments or promoting commercial services to blogs, wikis, guestbooks, or other publicly accessible online discussion boards. Any web application that accepts and displays hyperlinks submitted by visitors may be a target.
Adding links that point to the spammer’s web site artificially increases the site’s search engine ranking. An increased ranking often results in the spammer’s commercial site being listed ahead of other sites for certain searches, increasing the number of potential visitors and paying customers.
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Rio, it’s most likely a teenager – typical.
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’Lumps #97: To whom were you referring, Klasko? I’m all ears.
Actually, if this were a verbal conversation, it would seem you are all tongue.
And there is a certain other (female) poster who would be a good companion for the “troll”, but I won’t name her.
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I am a bit slow, but eventually I get there.
I just realized that Glumps is not campaigning for Bob Barr. He’s not even campaigning for McCain. He’s campaigning for Obama, by campaigning against McCain.
That makes me hate Glumps spamming the board all the much more.
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Peter – 102
I didn’t know you had a close female relative on the blog, maybe they could be friends and you could loan them your pink flip-flops.
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Sorry about my lady friend, Pete.
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And MIM-
If you think I’m campaigning for anyone, you are as slow as you profess to be. Obamessiah and St. McSame are the SAME.
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#95
I have read the Harper’s article.
I take my strategy from the policy twice followed by the Russians when invaded, first by Napoleon, then by Hitler. It’s a risky and expensive policy; that’s for sure.
#96
Do what you please. I realize once I post on WOW, anything I’ve said has become part of the public domain. For some people, the public domain then gets turned back into the private domain again. What goes around, gets dizzy.
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Lynn, again, I ask, How long?
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“If you think I’m campaigning for anyone, you are as slow as you profess to be. Obamessiah and St. McSame are the SAME.”
Hey Glump. I’m watching what you do, not what you say you do….
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MIM,
I figured that out some time ago–at the least he wants us to vote for Barr so that we don’t vote for McCain. He himself will, I believe, vote for Obama.
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107
I don’t believe America has the same amount of room to fall back on. After eight years of Bush, breathing space is quite tight.
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Thank you Random Name. It’s sure to be a hit with the McCain campaign.
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