Comments on: Broken church windows http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:02:06 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: cicero http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-330084 cicero Mon, 11 Aug 2008 14:20:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-330084 It was the Christ Clone Trilogy, by a James Beauseigneur. It is Christian End Times fiction, but for the first two book things are viewed from the side of the "Antichrist." And unlike some more popular end times writers, Beauseigneur takes his "Antichrist" seriously. The books themselves are liberally strewn with scientific nuggets and footnotes, and though it ultimately probably wouldn't be your cup of tea, I expect you would find them very interesting. It was the Christ Clone Trilogy, by a James Beauseigneur. It is Christian End Times fiction, but for the first two book things are viewed from the side of the “Antichrist.” And unlike some more popular end times writers, Beauseigneur takes his “Antichrist” seriously. The books themselves are liberally strewn with scientific nuggets and footnotes, and though it ultimately probably wouldn’t be your cup of tea, I expect you would find them very interesting.

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]]> By: Night Train http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329992 Night Train Mon, 11 Aug 2008 00:32:54 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329992 <i>One of the best works of fiction I have ever read made extensive use of this theory, and presented it in a logical, convincing manner.</i> What book is that? One of the best works of fiction I have ever read made extensive use of this theory, and presented it in a logical, convincing manner.

What book is that?

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]]> By: REG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329979 REG Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:34:36 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329979 73- It is a day of rest for many 73-
It is a day of rest for many

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]]> By: cicero http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329972 cicero Sun, 10 Aug 2008 23:01:39 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329972 ...I love how these things always start to die right after I get involved... …I love how these things always start to die right after I get involved…

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]]> By: REG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329937 REG Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:20:10 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329937 the Lord builds His church, He casts down our religious idols, He is faithful to His bride the Lord builds His church, He casts down our religious idols, He is faithful to His bride

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]]> By: REG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329936 REG Sun, 10 Aug 2008 18:18:51 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329936 Cicero, Thank you for contributing. I have enjoyed your thoughts. Cicero,
Thank you for contributing. I have enjoyed your thoughts.

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329924 Peter Leavitt Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:09:06 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329924 Cicero, we do indeed seem to be mostly on the same page. I am delighted to welcome your excellent voice to this blog. Cicero, we do indeed seem to be mostly on the same page. I am delighted to welcome your excellent voice to this blog.

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]]> By: cicero http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329923 cicero Sun, 10 Aug 2008 17:07:47 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329923 Now, back to the issue at hand. There was a time when what people wore to church did not matter one bit, or was not supposed to anyway, by the command of the Apostle James. A trend after that began where it mattered what the clergy wore. Still later, after the Reformation, it started to matter what materials everybody wore to worship an immaterial God who cares about the state of the heart, which to Him cannot be masked by what you wear and what you do. And the church has always, after those first few centuries, been influenced by the culture around it. This shows up in every area of life in the modern church, bar none. I'm told that half a century ago in the town where I now live, Lutherans and Apostolics couldn't be seen talking in public. To my school of thought, that sort of discord and the unloving mindset it conveys within the body of Christ is a far bigger problem than a few young people wearing flip flops to church and the cavalier attitude that conveys within the body of Christ. That's a little something I keep in mind for the next time somebody bemoans how the world is going to hell in a handbasket--although I am not saying that Tony is suggesting anything that extreme. Now, back to the issue at hand.

There was a time when what people wore to church did not matter one bit, or was not supposed to anyway, by the command of the Apostle James. A trend after that began where it mattered what the clergy wore. Still later, after the Reformation, it started to matter what materials everybody wore to worship an immaterial God who cares about the state of the heart, which to Him cannot be masked by what you wear and what you do.

And the church has always, after those first few centuries, been influenced by the culture around it. This shows up in every area of life in the modern church, bar none.

I’m told that half a century ago in the town where I now live, Lutherans and Apostolics couldn’t be seen talking in public. To my school of thought, that sort of discord and the unloving mindset it conveys within the body of Christ is a far bigger problem than a few young people wearing flip flops to church and the cavalier attitude that conveys within the body of Christ.

That’s a little something I keep in mind for the next time somebody bemoans how the world is going to hell in a handbasket–although I am not saying that Tony is suggesting anything that extreme.

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]]> By: cicero http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329921 cicero Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:57:46 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329921 66. Should be there really can't be such evidence 67. fair enough 66. Should be there really can’t be such evidence

67. fair enough

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/comment-page-2/#comment-329920 Peter Leavitt Sun, 10 Aug 2008 16:53:59 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/08/broken-church-windows/#comment-329920 Cicero, human nature doesn't change, though conceptions of it do. The pleasant optimism about human nature and easy conscience of modernism that led to Nietzschean moral relativism and nihilism had much to do with the holocaust. Cicero, human nature doesn’t change, though conceptions of it do. The pleasant optimism about human nature and easy conscience of modernism that led to Nietzschean moral relativism and nihilism had much to do with the holocaust.

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