Celebrate your debt!
In the recent past, we’ve posted on the apparent dearth of good news in the world, including the reporting about Iraq, where Christopher Hitchens seems to believe that journalists report all news as bad news (e.g., “The glut of unused bullets in Iraq is causing an unfortunate slump in the price of ammunition for Arab arms dealers. Horror!”). The same goes for global warming. How will the media spin the fact that the polar ice caps are larger now than they were last year? “Polar bears have to walk farther to find water, says Danish climate expert.” Economist David Ranson says the same goes for news about the economy: “Although markets are volatile and segments of the country are having a hard time, the national output is up, not down, this year. How has the economy pulled this off? Is there something the pessimists were missing?” He continues, discussing how “the debt crisis” is no crisis at all, but that it becomes a great scapegoat for general human fear:
[F]or society as a whole, debt finance is a prime means of capitalizing production and growth. It’s extraordinary, then, that in national debate the narrow view drowns out the broad. Aggregate private debt and trade deficits are widely regarded with equal suspicion and fear — even by “experts.” Instead of celebrating the role that private debt has played in creating prosperity, many blame “excessive” debt when things go wrong, and cite it as a basis for pessimism.
I don’t know if we want to “celebrate” anything about debt, but he’s at least being honest about the positive role of debt in a free market economy. The money that we spend paying off debt is money that gets used in generally healthy ways by the people who take that money.
A natural system has built-in redundancy. It manages and heals itself. The economic system is no exception. On this page about 10 years ago, Penny Russell and I argued against the idea that the economy is a “house of cards,” susceptible to collapse as soon as a few cards are dislodged. We suggested that it’s more like a beehive. The future of the hive does not depend on full employment for all the worker bees. In fact, an accident can put many bees out of action without compromising the hive as a whole.
I could argue, I suppose, that the media knows that reports of a bad economy are never good for the party in the White House, and they are playing that card for all its worth. So the left blames the right for fear-mongering in the war on terror. I suppose the right could blame the left for fear-mongering in the war on debt.




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Yep, There is and estimated 500,000 square miles of more ice pack this year than ;last year If this keeps up New York, Chicago adn San Francisco will soon be under a 2 mile thick sheet of the stuff.
I got to get one of those automatic Margarita makers now that there is so much ice even hell might freeze over.
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Debt and leverage ar both very good things. Used properly and intelligently in moderation, both will make your transition from ungrateful, miserably, unhappy, poor socialist to wonderfully generous and gracious, wealthy, happy Capitalist an American right of passage and lifelong pursuit.
One is an anti American pessimistic ogre from the dark side and the other is an eternally optimistic hero whose force is deep and strong. One always wins and the other always loses in the end – it is your choice.
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When there is good news about debt, like this, Llama celebrates. When there is bad news about it, like the mortgage crisis, Llama blames Democrats.
Which is it?
That said, debt does work well in moderation and only for certain items. Mortgages are good. New car loans are not.
But never take financial advice from an economist. You will rue the day you did. Stick with people who know money, not with people who know chi square tables. Financial advisors deal with the real world. Economist deal in the world of theory.
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Lester,
Criminals and frauds created the credit crisis. They should be in jail. Instead we bailed them out and forgave all of their sins.
Moderate debt is always good – period and even the most risky debt can be. 120%, no down , interest only loans were originally created for all the right reasons and were good. Very rich people asked for these loans because they could borrow against their paid off house, unlock the net worth by turning it into cash and invest it. Instead of having hundreds of thousands of dollars tied up in a house that made you less than 5% a year, homes are not even considered investments by banks, you could take this money and make 25% a year investing it any number of ways.
These loans were perfect for rich folks who would invest wisely and could easily afford any downturn in any market at any time.
Sadly, during the left’s watch and because they allowed it, Theseus loans were allowed by new law to be marketed and approved for people who were not rich and did not fit them in the least. Frauds took out these loans claiming they had income to pay them back and insane bankers gave out these loans. The bankers making the loans always take the all the risk by doing so and they should pay the price for their insanity. people who defrauded banks should go to jail and not be rewarded.
Instead the left bailed them all out. Only innocent people like me who played by the rules, paid my debts and kept my word were the ones who were punished. We have to pay to clean up the mess created by criminals and insane people – a mess that happened on the left’s watch. If you wnat the glory you ahve to to take the heat too.
Only the left would save the criminals and insane while expressly punishing the innocent – stealin
But they are Marxists and that is what Marxists do.
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Lester, Anyone who thinks new car loans are bad is also insane.
Never ever trust your life or money to a lefty. Watch what they do and ignore what they say because they will lie to you at every opportunity hoping to steal you blind, blame you for it and then have your cut your head off once you are dead broke and useless to steal from.
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“Polar bears have to walk farther to find water, says Danish climate expert.”
LOL!
I’m still chuckling over that one.
Well. I’m going certainly going to celebrate my debt next year. I think I’ll throw a party when the house is paid off.
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I even have a countdown number on the calendar. Unfortunately the increased price of gas and groceries, and the fact that we’ll have no dependents, and the resulting tax increase may just do away with any benefit of zero debt.
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Llama – why would you take out a new car loan? Cars lose about 20% the minute you take them off the lot. It doesn’t make much fiscal sense to pay for such a bad investment with a loan costing you between 4-7%.
Of course, I deal with money and that’s the way I see it. Some people may see a car as not an investment and/or a financial sink hole but rather just a car. Great. If you’re going to keep it for 10-15 years, then buy a new one.
But calling me insane is just another bout of name calling from a guy who thought 361 was greater than 369:). You do seem to have trouble with facts and numbers.
FYI – the credit crisis bares blame on both sides. I don’t recall any republican complaining about the practices of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, or calling out mortgage companies undertaking predatory mortgage practices. Nope. Democrats and Republicans were enjoying the ride, just like the rest of Wall Street.
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Llama you seem to think anybody who disagrees with you is a leftist whack job. However, most leftist whack jobs, including this one, deplore corporate welfare and quite frankly would be happy to see bad lenders sink into bankruptcy. That’s why we have bankruptcy laws and not bail outs. Bankruptcy is an orderly means of taking care of capitalism’s failures whereas bail outs are a reward.
The future of the hive does not depend on full employment for all the worker bees. In fact, an accident can put many bees out of action without compromising the hive as a whole.
That’s a cold way of looking at dismembering the redundant workers. Actually quite fascist and totalitarian — the individual is not important only the borg.
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Llama’s way of disparaging anyone who disagrees with him is quite like a fascist and/or totalitarian. Rather than debate using facts, he resorts to name-calling. He uses this to cover up his lack of knowledge in any given subject, especially business/economics/finance, where he fancies himself as quite the expert. A Walter Mitty of Wall Street, so to speak.
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MIM, you’ll tell us when that happens so we can have a virtual mortgage burning, right?
Llama is right when he says that used properly, debt isn’t necessarily a bad thing, but credit card debt — that’s a bad thing and should not be celebrated.
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Credit card debt is a bad thing? no its just plain stupid.
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A virtual mortgage burning? I guess so. I hadn’t thought of doing that actually.
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This is an interesting way of looking at debts. It is positive for one thing. I am with you, the pundits keep on spinning this topic leaving us all cowering in fear. That said, we still have to face the fact that some people are deep in debt and need our help.
Evelyn Guzman
Debt Challenger
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Criminals and frauds created the credit crisis. They should be in jail. Instead we bailed them out and forgave all of their sins.
The day llama starts really calling for large numbers of bank executives to go to jail, will be the day the Arctic re-freezes over.
And as for the bail-outs, the plain truth is that unfettered, unregulated capitalism is what allowed these institutions to become “too big to fail”.
These financial earthquakes, and the necessity for the US to essentially guarantee trillions in loans have threatened the solvency (already suspect) of our government and, of course, created more debts which our children and grandchildren will have to pay.
So yes, I think some folks should go to jail. Starting with the CEO’s of Countrywide, Wells Fargo, Chase, and few other banks. Not to mention the CEO’s of Goldman, Merrill and others institutions which simply made up numbers when auctioning and selling these debt packages.
One of the magical secrets of the American system is that executives are NEVER held accountable for decisions made by their institutions.
Oh, by the way llama, don’t you agree that much more heavy regulation of the mortgage and debt industries is now called for? Or haven’t the S=L crisis and the current crisis yet convinced you that without serious, effective regulation, the entire country is placed in financial peril.
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May I remind everyone that God specifically prohibited usury? And yet our whole economy is built around it. If we did not allow loans with interest none of these problems would have happened would it?
This bears thinking about for the Christians on this blog.
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I don’t believe God prohibited all usuary,MIM.
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