The line of demarcation
In Missouri, legislators are considering a bill that would ban elementary school teachers from using social-networking sites like MySpace and Facebook to interact with their students. Supporters of the legislation say it’s necessary to prevent inappropriate relationships between teachers and students. But teachers like Randy Turner, who use the sites to help them connect with their students, say such legislation doesn’t get to the heart of the problem:
“I see where they are coming from,” Turner said. “You can’t argue with people whose intentions are trying to protect children. But the simple fact is, you take these people who prey on children and they are going to find a way to do it, whether it’s over Facebook or not.”
Those teachers are ruining it for the ones legitimately trying to help children, Turner said.
“There are so many kids who are stubborn against anything teachers say, who are struggling in the classroom and refuse to ask for help,” Turner said. “When it’s so hard to reach these kids, why would you remove any of the weapons at your disposal to make a difference?”
Education lawyer Jim Keith, however, said most inappropriate student-teacher relationships start out on a friendship level and escalate, which is why he insists educators must maintain a line of demarcation between themselves and students: “It’s a line that you cannot come close to, let alone step over. You’ve got to establish it from Day One and say, ‘I’m not your buddy; I’m not your friend; I’m just your teacher.’”
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I thought you had to be in high school to have one of these sites. If the kids are younger, the teachers are helping them break the rules. Not a good idea for a teacher.
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True for parents also. Parents should be friendly to their kids; it probably does not work out to try and be your kids’ “friend.”
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The proposed legislation expresses a lot of hostility against teachers, as if they all need to be treated like pedophiles.
Legislators who care about the interaction of children and teachers need to provide teachers time during the day to give students individual attention.
Except in the most bizarre situations, I can’t see how the relationship between a teacher and an elementary student could ever be misconstrued as a peer-to-peer relationship. Kids sometimes become “friends” with adults, but they never confuse it with the kind of interaction they have with peers, and vice-versa.
The right wing is always pushing an authoritarian ethos in schools and society. Authority for its own sake is good discipline. God tells us what we have to do, and your part is to learn to obey.
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I think there needs to be a distinct line of demarcation between those who are in positions of authority and those who are under such authority. When those lines get blurred, both parties are setting themselves up for all kinds of trouble. The authority figure should know better.
You can be a well liked teacher and a friend of your students without blurring the lines. While I saw my teachers as friends and as real people, I never forgot that they were still my teachers and worthy of respect as such.
Familiarity breeds contempt. It’s a cliche, but it’s also true. I have seen it happen so often that the lines get blurred and there is a breakdown of respect for authority. Parents try to be their children’s friends with even more disasterous results. We all liked to be liked, but a modicum of respect for authority should be maintained by those in authority. And that brings it to the authority figure to do everything possible to merit the respect afforded by the office. It’s difficult to respect the office if you don’t repsect the person holding the office.
Maybe it’s my military background coming out, but the chain of command is a good thing. There are reasons for military policy against fraternization within the chain of command. It is someting the civilian community might do well to consider. It also takes a measure of self discipline, (something noticeably lacking in the civilian world), to maintain respect for the office even when you have nothing but contempt for the person holding the office. And this is true for every authority-subordinate relationship.
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I have a Facebook site and I have been asked by students to add them as friends — I refuse. Even after they graduate, I tell them there needs to be a least a year gap.
This protects me from any alleged impropriety. My school board’s policy has been to discourage any type of electronic communication. I’ve been told not to send parent email even if its a group newsletter. Personally I find this a bit extreme, but board lawyers believe it protects us against litigation. I’d prefer to email since phone communication must be immediately. Email allows me to find information, form a measured response etc.
Secondly, many of my face book friends are my colleagues. As it is relatively easy to deduce what is on other sites by looking at their friend’s site, their privacy may be violated if I add their student.
Finally, my facebook page is personal — it conatians pictures, communication, and other items that speak to my own personality. I want a personal life outside school.
If a teacher sets up a second site for school purposes only I can understand the educational value in it. And in fact I would contemplate something similar but litigation lawyers frown on the practice.
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KLASKO: Maybe it’s my military background coming out, but the chain of command is a good thing.
On the other hand, maybe you were just born a martinet.
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Scroop Moth – I will overlook the implied insult and afford you some peer to peer respect as an example.
I like a sense of order and not anarchy. I have seen classrooms break down into anarchy because of a lack of respect for the teacher. There is no need to encourage a more insidious lack of respect by being pals with one’s students.
Even though my children’s friends considered me to be one of the cool moms, none of them would dream of addressing me by my first name. There are lines you just don’t cross. This is one.
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HRW, even non-litigation lawyers frown on the practice.
You wrote: “Email allows me to find information, form a measured response etc.”
And how many times have you been misinterpreted or have you gotten a response you didn’t like here? We won’t sue you. Put something on paper to a parent or child and their lawyer will dissect it and rip you to shreds if it comes to a lawsuit. Just because YOU think you’ve been clear, doesn’t mean others will. Don’t give people ammunition.
Scroopy, get that liver looked at, see a doctor. Quite frankly, my best teachers were former military officers, including a female colonel for math in middle school. Why can’t the left understand that young people need discipline?
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And how many times have you been misinterpreted or have you gotten a response you didn’t like here? We won’t sue you. Put something on paper to a parent or child and their lawyer will dissect it and rip you to shreds if it comes to a lawsuit. Just because YOU think you’ve been clear, doesn’t mean others will. Don’t give people ammunition.
Which is exactly what both the school board and my union say — litigation worries make education more difficult than it already is.
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The school where I teach has a fliter that blocks Facebook and MySpace. Even if I could get to it, I would not use it with students. However, I teach a foreign language and occasionally assign journaling activities, in which I respond to things the students write. I do this on paper though, as many of my students do not have email accounts (no internet at home).
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KLASKO: I will overlook the implied insult
Don’t feel too badly, Klasko, on an adjacent thread DRILL just told me “leftists don’t have even a rudimentary sense of self-deprecating humor.”
Anyway, thanks for the peer-to-peer respect.
I like a sense of order and not anarchy.
I used to teach 11th and 12th grade English, and discipline was always the least of my problems. (The first was time, but that’s another discussion.) My students loved order, as you do, and were grateful when I told them what was what, slow enough for them to write it down in their magnificent notebooks. They wanted demarcations a little too unrealistically. But I was sympathetic and often, just for rest and relaxation, put them through grammar and spelling drills.
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Condescention is unbecomming.
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If teachers were subjected to character qualifications instead of just academic qualifications, maybe the lines wouldn’t be crossed so often.
Is the tenure system really helpful?
Has political correctness (personal life being off-limits for determining fitness to teach) contributed to the increased improprieties?
This is the same approach, IMHO, as outlawing guns to try to reduce crime. It’s not the tool that’s the problem. It’s the person using the tool inappropriately that’s the problem.
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Condescention is unbecomming.
Again, don’t take it personally. My beef is with social conservatives who are trying to impose regimes that wealthy kids and home schoolers never know, but are supposed to be what’s good for the undisciplined, badly behaved lower classes.
Teachers aren’t public enemy no. 1.
Besides, what I say is true, regardless of my attitude.
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