Comments on: There is no frigate like this essay http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sun, 21 Mar 2010 03:00:57 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Random Name http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-332214 Random Name Sat, 16 Aug 2008 00:10:13 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-332214 I read too much as a kid. That's why I post condescending messages. Don't let your kids grow up reading. I read too much as a kid. That’s why I post condescending messages.

Don’t let your kids grow up reading.

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]]> By: Make it Man http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331798 Make it Man Fri, 15 Aug 2008 13:04:49 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331798 I read a lot of Zane Grey too Chas. Dad had a collection. You ever read Pistol Pete's book? Dad had a signed copy... I read a lot of Zane Grey too Chas. Dad had a collection. You ever read Pistol Pete’s book? Dad had a signed copy…

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]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331733 arcadia Fri, 15 Aug 2008 03:31:18 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331733 Chas: You're a better man for it. Chas: You’re a better man for it.

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]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331668 Chas Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:41:44 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331668 What happens if you spend your youth reading Zane Gray? What happens if you spend your youth reading Zane Gray?

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]]> By: Dav http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331652 Dav Thu, 14 Aug 2008 23:03:49 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331652 Um, Ok. I get some of this. I spent my youth voraciously reading anything I could get my hands on, and 99% of it was pure trash that seared my spirit and hardened my heart. But let's not throw the baby out with the bath water. My wife's younger brothers wouldn't be caught dead with a book, and they were jocks growing up. But they DID grow up, and now they look back and realize that they really should have applied themselves in school...as in READING! Let's not celebrate the real manly-man image of a dumb jock who won't read. That's going too far the other way. Reading is an absolute MUST. Don't harm that. Um, Ok. I get some of this. I spent my youth voraciously reading anything I could get my hands on, and 99% of it was pure trash that seared my spirit and hardened my heart.
But let’s not throw the baby out with the bath water.
My wife’s younger brothers wouldn’t be caught dead with a book, and they were jocks growing up. But they DID grow up, and now they look back and realize that they really should have applied themselves in school…as in READING!
Let’s not celebrate the real manly-man image of a dumb jock who won’t read. That’s going too far the other way.
Reading is an absolute MUST. Don’t harm that.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331621 Scroop Moth Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:42:23 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331621 KIMBERLY: <i>For reading Dante . . .</i> That's what matters. I get the feeling a lot of conservatives like Esolen for his notes. I have Esolen's Inferno and have read several cantos, which were flat to my ear. I've also read Mandelbaum and Pinsky. I often look over at the Italian side of the book and interpolate as much as I can, based on my French and Spanish. Unfortunately my Italian is on the level of opera libretti: Eccola! Andiamo! Finch' an d'al vino! Non piu andrai, farfalone, amoroso! As many times as I've started it, I've never actually read the Paradiso. Did you like it? KIMBERLY: For reading Dante . . .

That’s what matters. I get the feeling a lot of conservatives like Esolen for his notes.

I have Esolen’s Inferno and have read several cantos, which were flat to my ear. I’ve also read Mandelbaum and Pinsky.

I often look over at the Italian side of the book and interpolate as much as I can, based on my French and Spanish. Unfortunately my Italian is on the level of opera libretti: Eccola! Andiamo! Finch’ an d’al vino! Non piu andrai, farfalone, amoroso!

As many times as I’ve started it, I’ve never actually read the Paradiso. Did you like it?

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]]> By: arcadia http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331589 arcadia Thu, 14 Aug 2008 21:06:46 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331589 Cheryl <i>I’m reading lots of children’s books, and I’ve learned to simply expect at least one assult on children’s innocence in nearly every book.</i> Like this? <i>The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.</i> Or this? <i>And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.</i> Or this? <i>He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD. </i> Or perhaps this charming anecdote. <i>[T]hey took the king's sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel. And there came a messenger, and told him, saying, They have brought the heads of the king's sons. And he said, Lay ye them in two heaps at the entering in of the gate until the morning. </i> That last one beats the heck out of the "twelve little girls in two straight lines" that my girls grew up listening to and reading. Cheryl I’m reading lots of children’s books, and I’ve learned to simply expect at least one assult on children’s innocence in nearly every book.

Like this?

The eye that mocketh at his father, and despiseth to obey his mother, the ravens of the valley shall pick it out, and the young eagles shall eat it.

Or this?

And thou shalt eat the fruit of thine own body, the flesh of thy sons and of thy daughters.

Or this?

He that is wounded in the stones, or hath his privy member cut off, shall not enter into the congregation of the LORD.

Or perhaps this charming anecdote.

[T]hey took the king’s sons, and slew seventy persons, and put their heads in baskets, and sent him them to Jezreel. And there came a messenger, and told him, saying, They have brought the heads of the king’s sons. And he said, Lay ye them in two heaps at the entering in of the gate until the morning.

That last one beats the heck out of the “twelve little girls in two straight lines” that my girls grew up listening to and reading.

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]]> By: Teenage_Tinkerbell http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331579 Teenage_Tinkerbell Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:52:38 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331579 I think what you gain from reading has to do with what you read. Reading can be pleasureable or it can teach you something. Either way rading improves vocablulary, self-expression and being able to understand others. I know several boys who love to read and I know some girls who hate it.I love to read and I love to be active, and run around. Childrens literature can be depressing but tben so can life. Childrens litterature can also be cloyingly optimistic too. Bad things will happen to you in life. The key is how you ( or the main character) deals with problems. I think what you gain from reading has to do with what you read. Reading can be pleasureable or it can teach you something. Either way rading improves vocablulary, self-expression and being able to understand others. I know several boys who love to read and I know some girls who hate it.I love to read and I love to be active, and run around. Childrens literature can be depressing but tben so can life. Childrens litterature can also be cloyingly optimistic too. Bad things will happen to you in life. The key is how you ( or the main character) deals with problems.

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]]> By: kimberly http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331573 kimberly Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:43:58 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331573 For reading Dante. I suppose if you're not interested in Dante, then you're probably not interested in Esolen's translation. :) But I've read the Ciardi translation and the Esolen translation, and I've heard reviews of the others, and Esolen's is my favourite. I knew I had to read it when a guy friend of mine told me it made him cry. For reading Dante. I suppose if you’re not interested in Dante, then you’re probably not interested in Esolen’s translation. :)

But I’ve read the Ciardi translation and the Esolen translation, and I’ve heard reviews of the others, and Esolen’s is my favourite.

I knew I had to read it when a guy friend of mine told me it made him cry.

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]]> By: Scroop Moth http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/comment-page-1/#comment-331570 Scroop Moth Thu, 14 Aug 2008 20:38:56 +0000 http://www.worldontheweb.com/2008/08/14/there-is-no-frigate-like-this-essay/#comment-331570 KIMBERLY: <i>I recommend this translation highly .</i> What for? KIMBERLY: I recommend this translation highly .

What for?

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