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George Elliot?
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George Eliot
Baptism
From the Greek Word Baptismo. To Immerse. The word was originally used in the Ancient World by dye makers. They would immerse white linen in dye. The cloth would then take on the attributes of the dye.
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Why Kbells. We tied. LOL
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Not that it doesn’t matters. I have seen anyone get a prize in awhile.
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True Kbells. But it is fun anyway. Take care kiddo and God Bless.
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I don’t know Joe. It looks like Kbells nipped you at the post. Her time stamp is 7:23 and yours is 7:24. You might have lost out on that digital coffee after all. That is, of course, if it is actually given today.
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Since Rants and Raves hasn’t been posted yet….
I’ve been at the International Woodworking Fair in Atlanta since Wednesday. What fun. Free samples, talking shop, looking at cool solutions for the business, meeting old friends…
I’ve been at the IWF all week. I’m bushed!
Tonight I pick up our demonstrator for the all day turning day demo tomorrow. He also teaches at 2 day class starting Monday, which I’m attending…
I’m already bushed. Can’t sleep cuz I’m too wound up.
What FUN!
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Wel, MIM has made plans for the weekend. Have a great time and report back on what the class is about. Since we won’t be “speaking” to one another this weekend, let me wish you a happy Saturday and blessed Sunday now.
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Wow make it man. I have a wood shop myself. I love wood turning. I made my own faceplate for one of my chucks to finish the base of the bowl.
I picked up some Bloodwood and Mora bowl blanks the other day at Woodcraft
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Just a thought:
Who are the (known) oldest and youngest posters on the WMB? I’m pretty sure Chas is the oldest, but I’m not sure about the youngest.
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Liz was one of the younger ones, I think, but she hasn’t been on here for a long time.
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Anyone here know anything about coin collecting. I just ran across some old silver coins and was wonder how I could find out how much they are worth?
Rio, How old is Opinionated Teen? I’m thinking maybe in her teens.
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Either OpTeen or TomBob would likely be the youngest. We don’t really know how old they are. Maybe Austin. She doesn’t show up much.
I notice that they are attacking McCain because he can’t remember how many houses he owns.
This is getting nasty. Imagine when they discover that I can’t remember where I put my glasses.
I was reading in Mark 2 about the men carrying the man with palsy couldn’t get in because of the crowd. They tore a hole in the roof. I would like to have been there. Imagine the fun and the commotion going on. Fun for everyone but the owner. He’s saying, “The insurance adjusters will never believe this.” That is one of my favorite events.
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When I get a chance, I’ll have to look over the list of logical fallacies just to make sure it is not lited there.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_fallacies
(I am stupid, so I often miss obvious things.)
One logical fallacy, sort of, is that if you point out to someone that his or her arguement has a fallacy, they will then admit the error and think more clearly. (Look at me, for example.)
Whatever it’s called, or whether it has been identified, the error I am thinking of runs like this.
A criticizes B. A therefore concludes that A is correct. B criticizes A. Therefore B must be correct.
The point both A and B miss is that it is perfectly possible for both to be wrong.
AT WOW, seculars criticize Christians. Look how some Christians burned witches at the stake (more a Protestant thing than a Catholic thing, more in Europe than in Salem). Look how many heretics wee tortured in the Inquisition. More of a Catholic thing.
At WOW Christians criticize seculars. Look at how many millions of people died under Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.
Each side says, “The other side is wrong and bad,” so our side must be right and good.”
The third possibility is that both are correct.
Secular humanism is bad and evil.
Christianity is bad and evil.
There are no good guys (or gals).
I am not a cheerful person and it’s not my job to cheer you up in the morning.
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Call it the “Random Error,” if there isn’t a better name.
Yes, I know, Christ died for everyone’s sins and redeemed everyone who believes.
On another day, we’ll talk about people who are born of virgins and rise from the dead.
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kbells
Not to be flippant (as another bold poster was the other day), but I suspect that the internet is your best bet on your coins. Coins are like most collectibles, in that the real value of them is only in what someone will actually pay you for them. I believe that e-bay has a coin-auction section where you can look up ones similar to your own and see how the bidding is going on them. That should give you a true idea of their worth.
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RN, seems you already know all you need to know. Now, if you only understood it.
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Austen isn’t the youngest; I believe she’s a married woman. Young, yes, but not a teenager.
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Perhaps we should ask who acts the youngest (think jr high boys). Then there is whoever feels the youngest or thinks youngest. Either way, I am not the youngest, as I only feel 51. Oh, wait, that’s how old I actually am!
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Funny RN should mention witchcraft. A member of my former church in a congregation in Peshawar, Pakistan, has been charged with sorcery by the local Taliban.
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serious question. Why do we blame God? or Why do we continually pray for an answer, when the answer was already given long ago?
situation: 83 yr old father in law involved in near death car crash.He was able to survive but his mind is like a 1 yr old.
The 3 questions I hear. Why did God allow this. Why didn’t God just take him at the crash site? Is God really in control/knows everything?
My response, which is totally unthinkable to the rest of the family—Yes, God is God. He knows everything, and can do anything. Did he allow this to happen? Yes. Did he want it to happen? No. If you will remember, I’ve been telling you all for 2 yrs to take that car away from him and I’ve told you at least 11 times what would happen some day if you don’t. He will be in an accident, and get himself hurt or killed, and will hurt or kill some one else. 2 of the 4 opptions occurred. He was hurt and 2 others were hurt.
Why did this happen? Because the family was too close to think rationally about taking a car away from a person who it was clear to everyone else should never drive.
Of course, I am the bad inlaw for pointing this out. They know they are to blame and can not handle the implications.
The result for this family not heeding the warning signs: A father who is an invalid for the rest of his life. Endless trips and time consumed to visit. Resentment toward their father that he has put them through this, Depression. And of course the bills. They will loose everthing they have in order to care for him the rest of his life.
Have they learned anything? NO!!! The car was totalled, so I was asked to find a new one for the mother inlaw. My first response was– ” I’m only going to say this once, she should not drive either.” She’s had a stroke, can’t remeber things, slower than slow/no reaction time.
They got her a car!!! And they ask me why God allows thing to happen!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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If I were you, Five, I would notify the DMV of your concerns. Perhaps they can have her take a driving test or something. I’m pretty sure they’ll do something. You may be the “bad” in-law, but you also may save lives.
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AT WOW, seculars criticize Christians. Look how some Christians burned witches at the stake (more a Protestant thing than a Catholic thing, more in Europe than in Salem). Look how many heretics wee tortured in the Inquisition. More of a Catholic thing.
At WOW Christians criticize seculars. Look at how many millions of people died under Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.
Each side says, “The other side is wrong and bad,” so our side must be right and good.”
The third possibility is that both are correct.
Secular humanism is bad and evil.
Christianity is bad and evil.
The secular humanist position is that human nature is inherently good and that evil institutions corrupt. The Christian position is that human nature is inherently depraved and, therefore, even societies that hold to Christian principles will manifest evil because of the sinful nature of the participants.
The fact that all societies manifest evil is support for the Christian position, not for the secular humanist one. That’s why the Christian supports his argument in pointing out that so-called utopian societies manifest great evil, but the secular humanist doesn’t help his case in mentioning the evil in Christian societies. The evil in Christian societies is consistent with a Christian worldview while the evil in secular societies is inconsistent with the humanistic worldview.
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Chas,
I just hate it when Marxist’s swear they are the only ones who can protect old people from Conservative Christians and then they go straight to picking on these poor defenseless old people, go out of their way to buy TV commercials to make fun of of old people and then ridicule them in public for their own self esteem building.
This hardly seems like compassion to me. They remind me of criminal thug Marxists who wait outside of banks and mug old people after they have cashed their social security checks. But this what all Marxists do. They find people who have money and then they scheme and plan to steal it from them while blaming someone else for it – usually the very same poor person they robbed it from in the first place.
I’m guessing that like me, McCain doesn’t own any property and that neither does his wife. I’m guessing if they did not hire a Marxist estate attorney who plans to steal all their property, the property they once owned is now in a trust where it should be and they don’t own it.
The reason people who have any money at all create trusts is so that Marxists won’t steal all the stuff they acquired (and kept the Marxists from stealing from them while they alive) after they are dead with their evil, vile and despicable death tax, if another Marxist, usually a lawyer, hasn’t figured out another way to steal it from them by then. I will give you an example of this.
Another reason to have a trust is so that a Marxist and their lawyer won’t sue you, or be tempted to, claiming you somehow victimized them and try to steal all your money that way – just like Pastor Osteen’s wife just found out the hard way – even though, lucky her, she won. It proves there is a God and that you never ever trust you money or your life to Marxist.
You will end up dead broke before they kill can kill you dead.
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When someone blames God for something I always ask ‘Are you sure it wasn’t Satan’s fault or possibly the liberally Socialist or Marxist Democrats?’
They usually have to think about that answer way longer than they thought about their question – ‘Why did God let this happen.
But, there are no dumb questions.
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In the tradition of Victoria and James Corsi of “I’m not saying its true but I think people should know about it” fame, here is a random link on the Keating Five and their present activities,
http://tinyurl.com/5r44lh
http://tinyurl.com/6gox8o
Random is right but its not of question of right and wrong for Christians but least evil. Hence the race to the bottom.
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A couple of people asked about EYG yesterday, and I answered, but it was an old thread by then, so here’s my answer again:
Re EYG: I’ve been in touch with her by e-mail, and she said that she has stopped in (as a lurker, I think), and felt that she really didn’t know anybody anymore and that “her time” with us had passed. So she’s still doing well, I think, but I suppose she just graduated. (Are we allowed to do that?)
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RN, seems you already know all you need to know. Now, if you only understood it.
I translate that statement as:
I understand it and you don’t.
I consider that position to be in the realm of possibility, but unconvincing. The likelier possibility is that I don’t understand. The less likely possibility (to me) is that you have an understanding on this matter that I don’t.
I tend to be more receptive to people who are polite to me than I am to people who are rude to me. Chas, you have been consistently polite to me, so I am more receptive to you than I am to [unnamed people whom it would be rude to name today], but an unconvincing statement, even offered politely, does not convince me.
I am too long-winded. Your response was admirably terse. Nevertheless, although I appreciate terse, a terse self-validating statement is a terse unconvincing statement.
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The secular humanist position is that human nature is inherently good and that evil institutions corrupt. The Christian position is that human nature is inherently depraved and, therefore, even societies that hold to Christian principles will manifest evil because of the sinful nature of the participants.
I have no disagreement with anything in that statement. It leaves the land of the “Random Fallacy” and enters the land of the “Deux ex machina” uncertainty.
I translate that as:
Die agreeing with my belief and you will discover that this is the best ride of all the rides in Disneyland.
There is only one ticket in this ticket book and no one ever comes back from taking that ride to tell us it was that good and better than all the other tickets in all the other books.
I’ll take that ride, sooner rather than later, but as my ticket wasn’t endorsed by the Master Endorser, the bottom of my car will drop out half-way through and I was will be horribly ground up in the gears.
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Cheryl D,
Tell her she’s missed.
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#21
At the moment, my wife (61) and I (64) are in reasonably good health and more or less sound mind. (Those who may want to diagnose me based on my postings here as being quite unsound probably have a point, and if nothing else, do entertain my inappropriate sense of humor.)
We decided to get out of the city. We were smart (10%) and lucky (90%) enough to get rid of our city duplex near enough to the top of the housing market to buy five acres in island exurbia and build a modest house. It’s five miles into town. Gasoline may go so we will have to talk five miles each way barefoot in the snow to get groceries. We may keep driving after we should out of senile stubborness. My daughter may take our keys away, dump us into a facility, and keep us from doing what was described in very sad message #21.
I may resent it terribly when that happens, so now while I have some facilities left, I will say a) I approve and b) I forgive my daughter in advance and c) I left everything to my daughter in my will.
God has nothing to do with any of it, bad or good.
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Re EYG: I’ve been in touch with her by e-mail, and she said that she has stopped in (as a lurker, I think), and felt that she really didn’t know anybody anymore and that “her time” with us had passed. So she’s still doing well, I think, but I suppose she just graduated. (Are we allowed to do that?)
As I am very snarky today, I will say that I doubt that WOW reflects the best of evangelical Christian culture and society, though it’s not my place to say any such thing.
I think there are millions of conservative Christians who are loving their spouses and thinking of Jesus as they embrace them; raising their kids to believe in Jesus and guiding and chastizing them as Jesus would want them to do; attending their church and enjoying the fellowship of their fellow believers and being inspired by their ministers; doing good deeds and helping their communities.
I doubt that WOW reflects very well on this community, and it does not surprise me that many evangelical Christians become weary of it and drift away.
If you all behaved well, I would become bored and go away. Think of me as a very mean 500 pound canary with sharp claws and a vicious beak in your coal mine.
Although we are atheists, my wife and I celebrate Christmas. When she was a little girl, my daughter was (mostly) a good little girl and (mostly) deserved her Christmas presents, which were (mostly) nice presents. I used to tease her that if she was bad she would end up with a lump of coal in her Christmas stocking.
One year I went to some trouble to get a lump of real coal and leave it in her stocking. Although she had been good, and was only ten or so at the time, she was amused and still speaks to me.
(She recently turned 42. Around Thanksgiving, my wife and I will reach 43 years of marriage.
By and large, many people here put their own lumps of coal in their own stockings, and then display the lumps proudly and prclaim, “What a good boy am I” and “What a good girl am I.”
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Thanks for the info HRW. The sheeple need to learn more about the background of Lindner, Keating and McCain.
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Reflections on Leaving the Party
by Susan Eisenhower
08.21.2008
“I have decided I can no longer be a registered Republican. For the first time in my life I announced my support for a Democratic candidate for the presidency, in February of this year. This was not an endorsement of the Democratic platform, nor was it a slap in the face to the Republican Party.
My decision came at the end of last week when it was demonstrated to the nation that McCain and this Bush White House have learned little in the last five years. They mishandled what became a crisis in the Caucusus, and this has undermined U.S. national security. At the same time, the McCain camp appears to be comfortable with running an unworthy Karl Rove–style political campaign. Will the McCain operation, and its sponsors, do anything to win?
This week, I changed my registration from Republican to independent.”
Click above to read the whole story…….
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Random,
1 – You said you had a blog. What is its URL?
2 – Your story about coal got me thinking. Bad kids get lumps of coal for Christmas. What about other situations? Would people who misbehave on, say, the internet, get punished with different kinds of Lumps?
Maybe we’ve all just been bad little bloggers.
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A humorous ditty I stumbled across this morning
clues that you might own a few too many homes
you refer to them collectively as “our properties”
you can’t quite put your finger on a solid number
you direct inquires about the number to your “staff”
several major news organizations release an “estimate” of the number
at last count you owned 846 spatulas
you can go a year without [using] the same toilet twice
your ‘replacement window’ salesman conducts business from his yacht
properties are wired so that your “honey I’m home” is heard in all of them simultaneously
vacuum cleaner sale ads get you excited
you host dinner parties via satellite
you call your political opponent an elitist, then die laughing
you’ve bankrupted dozens of friends from the house warming gifts
you hire Bill Gates to program your universal remote
your carbon footprint has fourteen electoral votes
you’re surprised to discover that you own several fully fitted enhanced interrogation rooms
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Who cares how many homes McCain has? I fail to see why that’s relevant to his ability to be president. I also fail to see why it’s a bad thing that he has so many homes. He has money. So what? Is this against some code, now? Oh, I forgot – liberals don’t like people having money. They would rather take it away from those who have it, and give it to those who don’t.
As I studied a little bit of Revelation the past couple weeks, it occured to me that none of this matters. All the silly, nit-picky arguments people get into about small doctrinal differences – it doesn’t really matter in the end. All this political garbage – doesn’t matter when Christ returns. How wonderful to have hope that we will have an amazing place to live in the future – free of all this craziness! I hope all of you will be joining us there. It’s free, easy and available to you at any time. Just don’t let it be too late.
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I also miss EYG, but I can understand her point. Life is so short and goes by so quickly that one must decide the most important way to spend one’s time. That is different for each one of us and different at various times in our lives.
TL: It certainly is important to keep the most important things in mind. I join you in your praise for God and the hope He gives us!
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“your carbon footprint has fourteen electoral votes”
Thats pretty funny.
Although it would also imply that Al Gore should have had enough electoral votes originally…
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JBH – 35
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Barr: ‘McCain wants me off the ballot in Pennsylvania’
Thursday, August 21, 2008, 05:50 PM
The Atlanta Journal-Constitution
Libertarian presidential candidate Bob Barr says GOP rival John McCain is behind an attempt in Pennsylvania to drive him off the ballot.
“This move is certainly one of the more brazen attempts to lock me out of the political process,” Barr said in a press release this evening. “I challenge Senator McCain to forcefully and publicly instruct his agents to drop the lawsuit.”
Here’s the one of more detailed accounts of the challenge against Barr’s candidacy.
Recent polls in Pennsylvania, which place Barack Obama in the lead, may help explain GOP motivation.
Barr pointed out that McCain himself fought similar attempts to force him from the New York ballot in 2000, and pulled out a quote that the Republican used eight years ago:
“Let’s not have the kind of Stalinist politics that the state of New York, the Republican Party, has been practicing.”
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As an esteemed member of the McCain Action Team, I would like to direct you to a new McCain Ad.
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Hard times for the McCain’s.
“The McCains increased their budget for household employees from $184,000 in 2006 to $273,000 in 2007, according to John McCain’s tax returns.”
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Tax Policy Center, a joint project of the Urban Institute and the Brookings Institution, Democrat Barack Obama and Republican John McCain are both proposing tax plans that would result in cuts for most American families. Obama’s plan gives the biggest cuts to those who make the least, while McCain would give the largest cuts to the very wealthy.
There is a great graphical representation at the link above. Looks like McCain wants to cut his and heiress Cindy’s own taxes more than he wants to help us in the middle class.
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RN,
Die agreeing with my belief and you will discover that this is the best ride of all the rides in Disneyland.
Poor translation. For, “You believe that there is one God. You do well. Even the demons believe–and tremble!”
Saving faith is manifested in active trust, not passive belief. But, obviously, believing in the triune God is a prerequisite for actively trusting Him. And, of course, Christianity doesn’t teach that eternal fellowship with God is the best ride in Disneyland, in contrast to the mediocre rides other religions offer.
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