Religion: The new race card
Newsweek’s Ellis Cose ponders the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s past connections with Islam and concludes that Americans “haven’t fully accepted the notion that all religions should have equal access to the Oval Office.”
The assumption is that to the extent Obama can be made out to be a Muslim, his presidential prospects will wither. It is an assumption Ibrahim Hooper, national communications director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations, finds troubling. “It’s strange to acknowledge that calling someone a Muslim is a smear,” he says.
In his analysis, Cose alleges that religion is the new race card, and notes that the Obama-Muslim controversy has highlighted the need for “intelligent discussion of religious bigotry—of whether religion actually makes a difference in how one governs, and of whether America’s growing religious diversity will somehow change the political character of this nation.” What’s your take on Cose’s analysis?




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Daniel Pipes has written numerous articles about the Junior Senator’s ties to Islam. His father was a Muslim and according to Pipes, Senator Obama was registered as a Muslim when he attended school in Indonesia.
Mr. Obama has strong ties to rather liberal views of faith in general. However, I see him just as another politician who panders to groups just to get power.
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There’s no “controversy” among people who care about facts. Obama’s not a Muslim and never has been. (Joe, if his father wrote “Muslim” on a school form when Obama was eight years old, no serious person can argue that means Obama consciously and deliberately held Muslim beliefs.)
Hooper does make a good point, though. The questions to ask about a presidential candidate are whether he will be a capable leader and support policies that are good for the country. Obama may pass or fail on those questions, depending on the questioner’s point of view, but “does he share my religious beliefs” is really not a good test.
Mr. Obama has strong ties to rather liberal views of faith in general.
True. And so do I, so I consider that a plus. But even people whose beliefs are more rigid should appreciate that “liberal views of faith” are good for a person whose responsibilities include guaranteeing freedom of religion for everyone … including you.
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The American people decide who has access to the oval office. If they decide they do not trust someone with a particular religious view than that is our system. It is something Romney and Huckabee also had to deal with. It is up to the candidate to convince the voters that it won’t interfere with his pledge to represent their best interest.
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Obama is not falling in the polls this week because of his Muslim links, but rather because of his ultra-liberal views on a whole range of issues — which the American people are finally getting to know about.
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First, Obama was 7, almost 8, when his father wrote on his school form that he was a Muslim. It was nearly impossible to get into this Mosque school unless he was one. He attended this school for how many years SteveG? He may no longer consider himself a Muslim but I assure you that the Islamofascists do and the punishment for giving up Islam is death. The secret service will have a heck of a time when Ossama puts a price on his head.
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Llama: It wasn’t a “mosque school” it was an Indonesian public school.
You are so woefully misinformed there’s not even any starting point for a discussion.
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Indonesian public schools ARE mosque schools.
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STEVEG,
All Indonesian schools are Mosque schools except for the American schools where my nephews spent most of their grade and high school years – since they lived there well over a decade before their college years. There was a mosque on school grounds where Obama went to ‘School’ of you could call it that, and he took Islamic classes like all Indonesian children do in public school to this day. Have you eve been to an Indonesian ‘public’ school? Back when Obama went there almost the only thing that was taught was Islamic studies in fact. Obama also memorized the Koran like all Indonesian kids do (they don’t have a problem mixing the state and religion there) and was quite good at it according to his teacher – one of the best in the class in fact, You are so ill informed that you cannot even answer me how many years he went to this school.
Question #2 when Obama was in his lost stage please name the Pakistani Muslim druggies that were his roommates? It shouldn’t be too hard – he only had Pakistani muslim roommates huigh on drugs. Once you get to knowing these answers the questions will get harder and we will see who knows nothing as usual.
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And what else was he supposed to have done? He was a child, taken there by a parent.
Is there ANY evidence he ever actively held Muslim beliefs? Even as a child, but certainly as an adult? The best “evidence” of his alleged “Muslim connections” seems to be something that happened before he was 10 years old.
Define the term “Mosque school.” The original smear that Obama’s swiftboaters were trying to float is that he attended a madrassa … a powerful image given that people understand madrassas to be schools that teach terrorism and hatred of the West. Once it became clear that he never went to a madrassa, they’re left with the fact that he did go to a predominantly Muslim public school … which really means nothing.
You are so ill informed that you cannot even answer me how many years he went to this school.
You hadn’t asked. Three years. It was either 68-70 or 69-71, I can’t recall precisely which.
But again: Your sole evidence of these alleged “Muslim connections” is he went to an Indonesian school for three years before he was 10. Were you busy building political and religious alliances when you were eight or nine, Llama?
Answer #2: Don’t know, don’t care. What I want to know is who he is NOW, not who he might have drifted into the same circles as 20 or 30 years ago.
Here’s one for you: Name the woman John McCain divorced in order to marry a wealthy, and much younger, heiress that he’d been having an affair with for some time.
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During the Saddleback Forum, Senator Hussein Obama claimed to be an bone fide christian! Wouldn’t that be good enough, folks?
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Yes, I think you have to take obama at his word on that one.
Here’s the thing, both candidates are promising peace and prosperity and have two different ways to arrive at that goal. You could make an argument that Obama is more Christian than McCain, but what would that prove? We should be voting for the candidate whose way to the goal we agree with. I’d vote for a small government Muslim over a big government born-again.
Now ask me how little I care about who they are married to or who them pick to be “one heart beat away” from being president. C’mon, I dare ya;)
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Sorry, no disrespect meant by writing Obama smallcase. Just missed the shift key on that one.
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In the Hadith and the Koran, the children of Muslim men are considered Muslims. If they leave Islam, they are considered apostates. So SteveG, I suggest you do more homework about the Islamic faith before you post about them.
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SteveG,
He attended this school for how many years SteveG?
As you can see I did ask you in #5. Try to read before you answer stupidly.
Whether you like it or not, you are how you were raised. Islam certainly considered Obama a Muslim, he was fine practicing one and attended mosque daily for prayers and it doesn’t make any difference what you say about it. The penalty for leaving Islam is death.
Unlike folks who do not know when they are asked a question llamas don’t answer questions if we do not feel like it whether they come from whack jobs or not.
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I’m missing this concern about what happened in Indonesia. This affects what’s happening now, how?
Doesn’t all this huffing and puffing simply underscore Hooper’s point that there is an anti-Muslim prejudice at work here?
Scripture as I recall asks us to be discerning, smart as foxes, actually. Going weird on the anti-Muslim trip surely doesn’t qualify. Rather, it’s more like heading out the driveway without first scraping the frost off the windshield — up North, you do that, and pretty soon you’re hitting the garbage can out front or the bush across the street.
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Cose, in her Newsweek article “…concludes that Americans haven’t fully accepted the notion that all religions should have equal access to the Oval Office.”
She is correct in this conclusion because we recognize that American Muslims may very well have divided loyalties.
The United States Constitution begins with the its important preamble:
After many months of debate and revision our forefathers reached a common understanding and agreement on how they were going to govern themselves with mutual respect around a common set of goals. All citizens of the United States, either by birth or via a naturalization citizenship oath, are bound to support the same Constitution.
In contrast, the basic tenets of Islam are hostile to the citizenship rights provided by our Constitution. The Islamic concepts of Dar al-Islam and Dar al-Harb are important factors in this hostility. Islam divides the world into two spheres. Dar al-Islam is an abode, country, territory, or land where Islamic sovereignty prevails. Dar al-Harb is called the “abode of war” and it denotes any territory that is not governed by the assembly of Islam. There is no separation of church and state in Muslim lands. Where Islam prevails as a religion, it also governs by Islamic standards and destroys all competition. Muslims are expected to bring Allah’s word and Allah’s will to all of humanity, by force if necessary. Freedom of speech, as we know it, is not allowed in Muslim lands, neither is freedom of religion.
A strict, or “good and faithful” Muslim cannot sincerely support a constitution such as ours, which allows infidels to live and govern in defiance to Islamic law. They can however, profess support for our Constitution while engaging in “al-Taqiyya.
“al-Taqiyya” literally means: “Concealing or disguising one’s beliefs, convictions, ideas, feelings, opinions, and/or strategies at a time of eminent danger, whether now or later in time, to save oneself from physical and/or mental injury.” A one-word translation would be “dissimulation.”
While Muslim “scholars” of both Shia and Sunni persuasions differ as to the application of this concept among fellow Muslims, the definition is of such a general nature that its application in relations with infidels allows the justification of almost any lie or deception imaginable. Such Muslims will actively use our freedoms with the ultimate goal of destroying them.
However, I am sure that there are Muslims in America who do sincerely support our Constitution and its freedoms for all of our citizens. They would be among those who would fall into the category of “We the people…” as stated in the preamble. They are our brother and sister citizens who are of like-mind with the ideals of our Constitution. Yet, they would seem to be, by most definitions, not very good Muslims, since they have been “corrupted” by western concepts foreign to the very nature of Islam.
So, with all of these things in mind, I believe that every American Muslim has a dangerous internal conflict of allegiance. In March of 2003, U.S. Army Sgt. Hasan K. Akbar tossed three grenades into the tents of fellow 101’st Airborne soldiers in Kuwait. He killed two Americans and injured 15 others because, when his allegiance was tested, his oath to the U.S. Constitution and his fellow soldiers meant nothing to him, compared to his loyalty to Islam. ALL American Muslims face the same internal conflict. Where does their loyalty lie? And can we expect a truthful answer?
So, if a Muslim were to become President of the United States, could we trust his oath to support and defend the Constitution as the manner in which “We the people” want to be governed? Is he one of us, or is he one who will toss a grenade into the tent of our Constitution in favor of his ultimate loyalty to Islam?
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Good points, Michael.
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Daniel Pipes’s concern is that regardless of Obama’s personal beliefs, because of his documented enrollment as a Muslim by his father then, he can now be considered an apostate and under a death sentence according to radical sharia law. This has ramifications for his security and international relations if he becomes our president.
Calling attention to this potential concern does not constitute anti-Islamic prejudice, nor is it playing the “religion card.” I certaintly don’t believe it should in any way disqualify him for the presidency nor influence anyone’s vote. Jihadi voices should not be heeded when it comes to Americans electing their leader.
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There are two spheres and there is no distinction between church and state in Islam. There is territory that is controlled and governed by Islam and Islamic states and territory that is not yet controlled and governed by Islam and Islamic states. It is those that are and those that will be when it comes to Islam.
Resistance is futile so I supppose that there should not be any concern among ther rest of us who are not Islamic sympathizers.
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#10 JUSTUS 331,
Never believe what a lefty says. Watch what they do. Obama’s claim to Christianity is Marxist Liberation in nature. He spent 20 years being brainwashed by Reverend Wright who blamed all the ills of the world on Whitey and who made Farrakhan his churches Man of the Year and Obama a Million Man Marcher for Islam.
Since Obama is so easily brainwashed, hopefully the next Reverend, if he doesn’t go back to Islam and join up with Farrakhan, will have an easy time straightening him out from a Christian point of view where he no longer blames Whitey for everything and his wife can finally really be proud of her country.
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Both SteveG and Llama know next to nothing. The Arabic word for school is madrassa. Pure and simple. If you think a madrassa is bad, then you’ve not done your homework. Some madrassas, like the ones in the FATA region of Pakistan, are breeding grounds for Islamic terrorism.
Indonesian madrassas are hardly Islamic jihadi madrassas. They teach a liberal form of Islam and do not hold Wahabbi/Salafi views, like the madrassas in Pakistan.
That said, I find it funny that people wonder whether a Muslim can be president. They used to say that about Catholics and wondered if JFK could uphold the Constitution while taking orders from Rome. Of course, many of those same naysayers in Republican/conservative circles look to JFK as what a Democrat President should be like. Good grief.
And guess what – many Catholics and Jewish and Muslims wonder if a tried-and-true born-again evangelical Christian could uphold the Constitution and their faith at the same time.
And it is a good question. If you are truly religious, then upholding God and the Constitution would be a stuggle.
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Outkast is right that opposition to Obama is based mainly on his liberal views on such issues as abortion, homosexual marriage, taxes, government spending, etc.
Michael Martin is right that many Muslims are divided in their loyalty to this country. Most of them favor Obama, as they think, whether rightly or wrongly, that he will be more favorable in foreign policy to the Muslim world.
We are involved in a serious war against jihadi terrorists whose main goal is to destroy the West and install Sharia law across the world. Personally, I doubt that Obama would be soft on these terrorists because of his Muslim background; instead, as Giuliani has said, he would probably resort to a soft policy of defense, as opposed to the tough-minded policy of Bush and McCain. Obama talks a good game about fighting the terrorists, though deep down he is a leftist with an all too pacific bent.
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Well, Obama is a Christian, but he has been a Christian in a church that has ties to Louis Farakhan. And Obama is friends with Ayers. It isn’t his Christianity that I question so much as his close ties with with militants and terrorists who hold views hostile to the the US. He’s used to them, he’s comfortable with them, and he sees their point of view in a more positive light. It is no wonder that after communing with these people, Obama didn’t think twice about sitting down with Ahmadinejad. Michelle Obama talked about what kind of “world” we want. I’m not particularly interested in electing someone whose first concern is the “world” and NOT the United States. He makes me feel that he’ll sell us out.
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Good post Peter Leavitt.
Obama is not a Muslim. Or, if he is a Muslim, he is sure in deep cover. Could be, but I doubt it. He is far too shallow to have deep convictions about anything beyond himself and his narrowly defined extreme leftwing ideology (mention of which is being carefully avoided by the kept media, although it is well documented and openly available.)
He sure is no Christian, even remotely, since he calls Jesus Christ a liar and a fraud, and supports and enables infanticide. I get a kick out of the constant insistence from the ‘journalist’ prostitutes in the media that ‘Barack is a Christian’. Yeah. Like Judas Iscariot and Nero were Christians.
Spiritually speaking (judging from his statements and his past), Obama is a kind of toxic post-modernist casserole composed of equal parts 1) contempt for Christianity, 2) race/class-based demagogery based on intolerance and hatred, and 3) the usual Marxist/Leninist ’social gospel’ based on explicitly demeaning and destroying the social, cultural, spiritual, and political underpinnings of the American republic.
Why he subscribes to that is an interesting question and may stem at least in part from his time being indoctrinated in anti-Americanism as a child. I suspect it is more of a case of just plain political pandering to whatever juiced his ‘career’, as Joe B. pointed out in the first post. Obama is, after all, first and foremost a creature of the manufactured opportunity for self-promotion.
Only in a civilization that is derailing from its moral and logical tracks could such an individual be seriously considered for the position of local dog catcher, much less for the position of President.
I guess if you get enough assorted morons, panderers and enemies of the Republic together – like what happened this week in Denver – why just about ANYTHING can and will occur.
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This a real interesting question and I’ve been pondering it this morning, particularly Adios’ post.
I think I would be happiest voting for a non-religious person who honored my values, than any specific religious person. Politics requires behavior that isn’t always God-honoring in order to be efficient or for the best. Sometimes you have to set aside your personal beliefs to do the right thing for the most people. My religious beliefs would make it difficult for me to do that in some instances.
Which is why I’m not a politician.
I don’t believe Obama is a closet Muslim, but that wouldn’t prevent some of the more radical Muslims in the world from claiming him as one of their own. After all the negative Muslim rhetoric we’ve seen over the years, I find I would not feel comfortable voting for a Muslim–which frankly surprises me. Catholics, Jews, Mormons, don’t pose this problem but the radical nature of the Muslum world which we’ve seen over the last few years does make me pause.
Which I find disturbing.
I won’t be voting for Obama because of his background–it’s his lack of record and my disagreement with what he has said. I don’t think the man is experienced enough. But it has nothing to do with his religious beliefs, nor even guilt by association.
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NJL – 23
I agree with you more often than not, but when a man’s (Obama) beliefs are so off, as to be pro-abortion, ALWAYS voting against innocent infants and their right to live? I don’t believe for one moment that person is a Believer/Christian.
The Word of God is explicit that we will know Believers by their FRUIT - but we have in our midst someone who believes the FRUIT of the WOMB can be killed? —— and this individual believes he is a Christian? –
14 Because strait is the gate, and narrow is the way, which leadeth unto life, and few there be that find it.
15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves.
16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles? Matthew 7
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Religion is the new race card. And being Muslim is the new black. Conservative Christians, being an intolerant faith, are one of the big spreaders of anti-Muslim thinking in this country.
And of course, we’re seeing yet again on here another attempted “swiftboating” of Obama by conservative Christians. It’s a immoral, disgusting thing to watch.
A person’s religion (or lack thereof) should have absolutely no bearing on the job of President, Vice President, or any other political office.
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You know, Victoria, after reading Drill’s post after mine, I thought to qualifying my statement that Obama is a Christian, but decided against it. Now that the two of you have commented, I think I will. I do not believe Obama is a closet Muslim, and I do believe he attends a “Christian” church. I will agree with you that Obama doesn’t “get it,” but he says he’s a Christian. I am mindful of Paul saying that the scales had fallen from his eyes. This, of course, must still be accomplished in Obama. I don’t think he sees past what Drill rightfully describes as “the usual Marxist/Leninist ’social gospel’ based on explicitly demeaning and destroying the social, cultural, spiritual, and political underpinnings of the American republic.” Besides his inexperience, I cannot vote for him because of this. I think he is so wrapped up with that that he is more on the side of the jihadists than Americans. I don’t think he’s wise enough to see the danger we are in. I think he will compromise with them and bend over backwards to “understand” them when what is really necessary is that they learn to live in the civilized world.
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That should have been “to qualify,” not “to qualifying.” I apologize for my poor grammar.
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#22 Peter Leavitt,
‘he would probably resort to a soft policy of defense,’
And which lefty would not resort to a soft policy of defence that was based on appeasing talks? Nancy Pelosi, Kucinich, Reid, Kennedy, Biden who? All of them think that they can talk some sense into our enemies who only what them dead instead. They are dangerously naive and it will be other Americans who will pay the ultimate price like some 2,800 on 911 did. Their families can thank the ultimate lefty politician and appeaser President Clinton for that. Can’t wait to hear him propagandise tonight in Denver at his Marxist convention
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Lester wrote: “And it is a good question. If you are truly religious, then upholding God and the Constitution would be a stuggle.”
I think Michelle wrote something similar.
This is very true. It would be difficult for me to be a Supreme Court justice because at that level, you are “making” law and if constitutional precedent were different than what I believe God’s law is, that would be a dilemma. At that level you vote your conscience in many instances. Yes, I know there are dissents, but …..
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If this week’s Democratic Convention is “Marxist”, then next week’s Republican Convention is “Fascist”.
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Maybe you should read about Islam Anlir and how people of color are viewed:
http://www.islamreview.com/articles/neitherblacknorafrican.shtml
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NJL – 28
The difference between Paul the Apostle and Obama is this –
1. Paul never claimed to be a Believer before he really became one. Paul persecuted the Believers.
2. Obama is totally different, he claims to be a Christian, but doesn’t have any fruit.
That’s a big difference, there are no scales on Obama’s eyes. He sat in his church for 20 years, and what did he hear, he also was a very close friend of Wright’s, he also was involved with the Gamaliel Foundation – add this all together, it spells something else, it certainly isn’t Christian.
We are told to be mindful of wolves in sheep’s clothing – lets not give a wolf the benefit of doubt when it becomes this clear. We as believers know the truth -
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Okay, but Obama still has “scales.” I do, too. We all grow and develop in our faith. Now, I’ll grant you that in the area of abortion, he’s decidedly unrepentant. But I sat in a church for more than 20 years, and it wasn’t until I left and sought a different church that I realized how distorted some things I had been taught were. Does that mean I wasn’t a Christian while attending the old church? I think I was.
I can’t believe that Obama has literally NO fruit. He is not the embodiment of evil. I do think he is misguided. I stand by my remark that I think he has a sympathetic ear for people who are militants and terrorists, who go against the “norm.” As a member of the “norm,” I remember the Weatherman, etc. I’ve been in courtrooms with similar characters and they do not hold dear what I hold dear. They shouldn’t have a friend in the White House.
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Lester: And it is a good question. If you are truly religious, then upholding God and the Constitution would be a stuggle.
Not really, plenty of truly religious people do not have a problem reconciling their religion with the Constitution. Christ himself talked about rendering unto Caesar what is Caesar’s and to God what is His. St. Paul made it clear that Christians ought to submit themselves to the legitimate sword of government while maintaining their faith in the Lord and God. Plenty of truly religious people, including Washington, Adams, and Lincoln, have respected both the Bible and the Constitution. Truly religious people need not have a problem reconciling the Bible and the Constitution.
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I agree with you, Anlir. I don’t think a person’s faith or non-faith should have any bearing on his/her ability to hold office.
But how they react/respect people’s religious belief should play a part–it should be equal.
And I think you’re correct that many Christians have a difficult time recognizing how Christianity has had the upper hand–because our nation was gestated in Scriptural principles and many of the good things about our government came from them. (Michelle looks quickly over her shoulder for Jon Rowe).
The thing about race is, you can’t change your race. In the US you can change your religion without fearing a fatwa or some other denunciation.
I’m frankly suspicious of politicians who trot out their religious beliefs when it suits the polls, and shutter them away when they don’t match the politician’s behaviors.
Jesus said it best: “No one can serve two masters. Either you will love one and hate the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” (Matt 6:24).
Maybe the reference to money doesn’t fit here, but it too often does in American politics.
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NJL
Obama with all the endless debates about abortion, the Word of GOD brought forth constantly regarding abortion – and the guy still holds firm to abortion?
The difference with Obama is; he has heard every single reason, according to the Word of GOD, he isn’t blind, he’s determined to believe abortion is just fine –
I disagree as strongly as I ever I could – no one can believe in such a hideous crime and then say they are a Christian and I could NEVER believe them -
We don’t get a pass on unrepentant sin, knowingly standing, voting against the life of the unborn. The Bible doesn’t say we can continue to sin willfully, and inherit eternal life, very much to the contrary.
26 For if we go on sinning willfully after receiving the knowledge of the truth, there no longer remains a sacrifice for sins,
27 but a terrifying expectation of judgment and THE FURY OF A FIRE WHICH WILL CONSUME THE ADVERSARIES.
Hebrews 10
NJL, when anyone seeks truth the LORD will provide it. We are promised “seek and ye shall find” -
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Llama 1.) Do you really care where Obama went to elementary school? 2.) He attended a Catholic school for the first three grades, scant a couple of months. 3.) He attended a secular, multicultural public school, the majority of whose pupils were Muslim, for the last couple of months of the third grade and all of the fourth grade. He attended a Methodist-heritage secular school until 12th grade. 4.) His mother was atheist and his father and step-father were nominally-muslim atheists. 5.) Obama’s first experience with religious practice was in the Black chruch as a college student in New York City.
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Moth, you sure skipped a lot of stuff – such a nice brief piece, with all the little ‘DETAILS’ missing, now how did that happen?
Much of his early life has been documented, with photo copies, naming religion, etc, etc – Its all been on this blog more than a few times – LOL
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The reason that Obama is NOT a Christian is that he believes that there are many paths (ways) to God besides Jesus Christ. That means he does not believe Jesus is who He claims to be. Therefore Obama is not a Christian.
I suppose someone could be a Christian and be so stupid, misinformed or mentally ill that they could ‘believe’ in some convoluted way that the sacrifice of children (i.e. abortion) is ‘okay’. But that is a question of either absymal ignorance or pure mental incompetence. The first is inexcusable, the second within the grace of God to handle, I suppose.
But believing – and stating – that Jesus is a liar and yet demanding that everybody call you a Christian? Obama is a fraud – and a coward insomuch as he will not just admit he is no more Christian than a fried slice of eggplant.
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Is it not the height of arrogance and ignorance to make statements about the status of Obama’s relationship with God? I thought the Bible says that only God knows who’s a Christian and who isn’t?
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. . . he believes that there are many paths (ways) to God besides Jesus Christ. Not for him. Jesus is his only way, he says.
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Yes, Victoria, I understand what you are saying and I agree, but bottom line, it is not my place to sit in judgment of Obama. It is not my place to give him a pass or not. You say he isn’t blind, but maybe he is and in a very real sense. There are none so blind as those who will not see.
Christ said there will be those who say to him, but we did this in your name and that in your name. And what did he say his response would be: depart from me, you workers of iniquity.
Now, I do not trust him either, certainly not considering his views on abortion. And I can judge him as far as my vote goes, but the rest is up to Christ. If the “liar” bit is that he has said there are many ways to God, Christ will take care of that, too. I would agree that such a belief is wrong, it contradicts Christ, and it’s typical liberal feelgood horsepucky. Nevertheless, judgment is mine, saith the Lord.
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NJL
To judge or not to judge, that’s the question -
For those who say they are Believers and walk not after the LORD the Bible makes clear we can judge them.
The church judges those who come in with a false doctrine, they are wolves in sheep’s clothing – If we don’t stand up for what the Bible says, and take a wishy/washy stance on obvious sin, then what are we?
So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth. Revelation 3:16
10 Yet not altogether with the fornicators of this world, or with the covetous, or extortioners, or with idolaters; for then must ye needs go out of the world.
11 But now I have written unto you not to keep company, if any man that is called a brother be a fornicator, or covetous, or an idolater, or a railer, or a drunkard, or an extortioner; with such an one no not to eat.
12 For what have I to do to judge them also that are without? do not ye judge them that are within?
13 But them that are without God judgeth. Therefore put away from among yourselves that wicked person.
1st Corinthians 5
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Actually, today’s abused race are the atheists.
Obama needs to put a quick, unchristian end to Jesus-pandering. Better he should have told Rev. Warren that a politician must walk a fine line between talking about how belief affects policy and advertising the quality and intensity of religious identification. Jefferson would never have submitted to such an interview. Americans must have no religious test for office. While for better or worse we can’t keep religious people out of the public square, we must point fingers and laugh at them when they use the street corner (read: TV talk shows) to puff their piety, both for the sake of the country and the religion whose teachings forbid that sort of thing.
Presciently, Jesus predicted that politicians (Pharisees and Republicans) would have their reward for such behavior. Sadly, it works.
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NJL
IF Obama were to become President, I would believe the same way – We as Believers are to know the truth, and call sin and unrepentant sin what it is, and yes to judge sin when it is committed and approved of by someone who ‘claims’ to be a Christian -
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Moth,
There is no religious test for office, but there are signs and fruit of those who claim to be Believers. If Obama wants to claim to be a Christian, then he wouldn’t approve of pulling a baby from the womb of a mother.
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Peter – when I read your response, I thought of the verse Michelle cited:
“No one can serve two masters. Either you will love one and hate the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve both God and money.” (Matt 6:24).
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Obama spouts platitudes but hides much of himself. Why does he have so many “present” votes?
I am unconvinced that he is truthful and above board about things.
He claims to be a Christian, but I have trouble with his 20 year choice of a church.
I don’t need to know his spiritual status, I have found him wanting. I don’t like his politics or positions.
While his spiritual status is between him and God, I have looked at both candidates and they both claim Christianity. I am loathe to judge their salvation status.
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Scroop Moth: Nice try but you sort of founder on the fact that words actually have meaning. That might be a revelation to you, I think. Probably would frighten you a good deal, in fact.
Jesus did not indicate that He was one of MANY ways, like a particularly nice head of lettuce in a rack of other heads of lettuce at the supermarket. He did not say He was the PREFERABLE way. He did not say that He was SORT of the way.
He said that He is THE way.
Barack Obama is on record as disagreeing with that. Therefore, Barack Obama is not a Christian.
And with his unqualified and bloody-minded support of the butchering of children, Barack Obama is no more a Christian ‘in principle’ than old King Herod. Maybe a good deal less, since the present-day aborts to which he belongs have found a demographic group even more helpless than toddlers, which Herod went after. Present-day aborts kill new-born babies.
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I distrust any politician who says he believers in God, whether a Catholic God, a Protestant God, a Muslim God, a Hindu God, or a Buddhist whatever. To save space, I won’t list 50 or so minor splinter faiths.
For that matter, I distrust any atheist politician. I am sure there are quite a few in America, but they pretend to be otherwise.
I do believe I distrust just about any politician. Fancy that. Or plain.
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From a Christian perspective, everybody has a religion; no exceptions. The other non-negotiable is that there are only two religions in the Christian world-view: Christian and nonChristian- and they’re easily identifiable by their fruit, after canceling out the noise of their lip service. Cose’s argument sinks after one realizes that politicians from other religions have already held office.
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Jesus Christ is the way, the TRUTH and the LIGHT –
Religion is a word – CHRIST is the way to Eternal life. Jesus isn’t a religion He is God the Son!
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Some people are pathetic and risible nihilists.
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