Comments on: Covering nakedness http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 21 Nov 2009 19:26:29 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-339107 SteveG Wed, 03 Sep 2008 14:01:11 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-339107 The Noah story IS true, if by "true" you mean made up. The Noah story IS true, if by “true” you mean made up.

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]]> By: outkast http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-339070 outkast Wed, 03 Sep 2008 12:47:22 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-339070 You're basing post #31 on a false premise, DCL. The Noah story is true. You’re basing post #31 on a false premise, DCL. The Noah story is true.

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]]> By: DC Lawyer http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-338954 DC Lawyer Wed, 03 Sep 2008 02:58:51 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-338954 So if the Noah story isn't true, and it obviously isn't, what else in the Bible isn't true? So if the Noah story isn’t true, and it obviously isn’t, what else in the Bible isn’t true?

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337622 SteveG Sun, 31 Aug 2008 22:03:22 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337622 Klasko: <i>What have we done to deserve the curse of our forefather, Adam? Aren’t we just innocent pawns according to that reckoning, Steve?</i> Yep! Another good reason to be skeptical of traditional Christian theology. Your argument is that Canaan was cursed because he was Ham's "riches," i.e. property? You are actually arguing that a moral and just God should honor a curse of another human being for such a petty reason? Klasko: What have we done to deserve the curse of our forefather, Adam? Aren’t we just innocent pawns according to that reckoning, Steve?

Yep! Another good reason to be skeptical of traditional Christian theology.

Your argument is that Canaan was cursed because he was Ham’s “riches,” i.e. property? You are actually arguing that a moral and just God should honor a curse of another human being for such a petty reason?

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]]> By: Karen O http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337603 Karen O Sun, 31 Aug 2008 19:17:57 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337603 Better to die <b>in</b> God's will than live <b>outside</b> of God's will. Better to die in God’s will than live outside of God’s will.

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]]> By: klasko http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337582 klasko Sun, 31 Aug 2008 17:09:38 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337582 What have we done to deserve the curse of our forefather, Adam? Aren't we just innocent pawns according to that reckoning, Steve? The fact in, we all play a part in the redemption of creation. In the case of Ham, what did Ham have for lasting riches but his posterity? Canaan was Ham's posterity. Since man's offspring (hence his pposterity) is conceived in nakedness, it is a fitting curse. What have we done to deserve the curse of our forefather, Adam? Aren’t we just innocent pawns according to that reckoning, Steve?

The fact in, we all play a part in the redemption of creation.

In the case of Ham, what did Ham have for lasting riches but his posterity? Canaan was Ham’s posterity. Since man’s offspring (hence his pposterity) is conceived in nakedness, it is a fitting curse.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337565 SteveG Sun, 31 Aug 2008 16:13:30 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337565 So Xion, Canaan was just an innocent pawn in God's scheme? Cursed just to set the stage for something to happen thousands of years later and not because he'd actually done anything wrong? Nice fellow, your God. So Xion, Canaan was just an innocent pawn in God’s scheme? Cursed just to set the stage for something to happen thousands of years later and not because he’d actually done anything wrong?

Nice fellow, your God.

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]]> By: Xion http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337526 Xion Sun, 31 Aug 2008 06:16:05 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337526 The key to the story is the same key to every story in the Old Testament, i.e. Gal 3:24. Everything in the law is about the Messiah. God chose bizarre methods for slowly revealing his plan to come to earth in the flesh. The curse of Canaan has to do with God preparing a <b>place</b> for the Messiah to arrive. He also prepared a <b>people</b> and a <b>point</b> in time. Hundreds of small revelations to various people in various tribes and stations of life paint a complete picture of Jesus Christ. Was Ham's sin so bad? No, he was an actor in a play for God's grand demonstration two thousand years later. Ham made fun of his father and God had some fun with him, though God's fun is pretty serious stuff! The curse of Ham's lineage foreshadows the curse of Adam's lineage that Christ himself would take on. (Rom 5:14; 1 Cor 15:22) Canaan's curse would be a theme for centuries as God prepared his people for slavery and eventual redemption. People write books with pen and paper in a short time. God writes books with the blood of his people over thousands of years. The key to the story is the same key to every story in the Old Testament, i.e. Gal 3:24. Everything in the law is about the Messiah. God chose bizarre methods for slowly revealing his plan to come to earth in the flesh.

The curse of Canaan has to do with God preparing a place for the Messiah to arrive. He also prepared a people and a point in time. Hundreds of small revelations to various people in various tribes and stations of life paint a complete picture of Jesus Christ.

Was Ham’s sin so bad? No, he was an actor in a play for God’s grand demonstration two thousand years later. Ham made fun of his father and God had some fun with him, though God’s fun is pretty serious stuff!

The curse of Ham’s lineage foreshadows the curse of Adam’s lineage that Christ himself would take on. (Rom 5:14; 1 Cor 15:22) Canaan’s curse would be a theme for centuries as God prepared his people for slavery and eventual redemption.

People write books with pen and paper in a short time. God writes books with the blood of his people over thousands of years.

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]]> By: SteveG http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337429 SteveG Sun, 31 Aug 2008 00:47:42 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337429 Rio: That actually might be the case. Good thought. Still doesn't explain why Noah cursed Canaan instead of Ham, but it would shed some light on the whole event. Rio: That actually might be the case. Good thought.

Still doesn’t explain why Noah cursed Canaan instead of Ham, but it would shed some light on the whole event.

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]]> By: outkast http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/29/covering-nakedness/comment-page-1/#comment-337381 outkast Sat, 30 Aug 2008 22:56:17 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17259#comment-337381 Thanks RIO, I've also heard that explanation of the passage. Thanks RIO, I’ve also heard that explanation of the passage.

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