The experience question
The weekend’s political chess game included the following moves: Democrats saying Gov. Sarah Palin is inexperienced, Republicans saying that Sen. Barack Obama is less experienced, Democrats saying Obama is experienced because he successfully ran a national campaign—and some saying that his brainpower and writing ability (Harvard Law Review, two well-crafted books) should count as well.
What to make of this? It’s not easy to run a national campaign, particularly when it’s not working, but the Obama strategy—concentrate on caucus states—worked brilliantly. Obama never had to change course and fire friends. It’s a lot different working with people committed to you and riding a winning streak than it is to have to depend on opponents. Obama talks about common ground but never had to find a patch of it to survive.
The book-writing defense led me to think of Richard Nixon’s book Six Crises, which dealt with political and diplomatic battles of various kinds. Obama’s books are about himself. He did have to deal with lots of personal crises, including growing up without a father and searching (as a bi-racial person) for identity. Those, however, are not the crises that a president wakes up to every morning.
Fifteen of our 43 presidents have had experience as senators, but only two—Warren Harding and John F. Kennedy—came to the White House directly from the Senate. Americans generally understand that executive experience is important in presidential candidates, which is why so many were governors. Senatorial experience is useful when it has involved many years in the legislative rough-and-tumble, but Obama doesn’t even have that. It could be argued that Obama, were he to move into the Oval Office, would be the least experienced of all our elected presidents.













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So unconventional was McCain’s choice that it left students of the presidency literally “stunned,” in the words of Joel Goldstein, a St. Louis University law professor and scholar of the vice presidency. “Being governor of a small state for less than two years is not consistent with the normal criteria for determining who’s of presidential caliber,” said Goldstein.
“I think she is the most inexperienced person on a major-party ticket in modern history,” said presidential historian Matthew Dallek.
That includes Spiro T. Agnew, Richard Nixon’s first vice president, who was governor of a medium-sized state, Maryland, for two years, and before that, executive of suburban Baltimore County, the expansive jurisdiction that borders and exceeds in population the city of Baltimore.
It also includes George H.W. Bush’s vice president, Indiana Sen. Dan Quayle, who had served in the House and Senate for 12 years before taking office. And it also includes New York Rep. Geraldine Ferraro, who served three terms in the House before Walter Mondale chose her in 1984 as the first female candidate on a major-party ticket.
“It would be one thing if she had only been governor for a year and a half, but prior to that she had not had major experience in public life,” Dallek said of Palin. “The fact that he would have to go to somebody who is clearly unqualified to be president makes Obama look like an elder statesman.”
And Alaska is a much smaller state than Illinois, the political base of Barack Obama, whom Republicans have repeatedly criticized for being inexperienced, having served nearly four years in the U.S. Senate after eight in the Illinois state Senate.
“Not to belittle Alaska, but it’s different than the basket of issues you deal with in big, dynamic states,” Dallek said.
Palin has no experience in national office. Before becoming governor in December 2006, she served as a council member and mayor of Wasilla, Alaska, which had a population of slightly more than 5,000 during her time in office.
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She’s been governor for less than two years. She has no military experience. No record of even having thought about foreign policy. We have no idea who she is. My gosh, there are high schools bigger than Wasilla!
Obama’ campaign organization is bigger than the government of Alaska. Obama served in the legislature of one of our largest states for eight years. He’s been a U.S. Senator. He’s been on the national stage since 2004. He’s written two high-profile books that demonstrate the depth of his thinking. He’s been vetted and won 18 million primary votes. He has more experience than Lincoln and Wilson and many of our founding fathers.
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I’d much rather have someone as President who was formerly a notable state governor (reformer) for two years over a man who had been a U.S. Senator (not executive) for four years (two of which he had spent campaigning for the Presidency).
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Palin has spent her time since her election to the executive brance in Alaska doing the job she was elected to do. Obama has spent the vast majority of the time since his election to the Senate campaigning for his next office instead of the job he was elected to do.
She has shown that she is faithful in a little. She’s ready to handle greater responsibility.
He’s a salesman.
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Odd how the combined executive/legislative experience was no magic pill for the campaign of Bill Richardson. To many folks he combined non-threatening boring Anglo name with Latin flair and bilingual transborder savoir faire.
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#2 – DCL
Re: military experience Obama has no military experience: Gov. Palin is commander of the Alaska National Guard and the Guard has a unique role in national defense in regard to its proximity to Russia and China.
Re: foreign policy – she has worked with Canada on the natural gas pipline.
Obama is now claiming the running for President and managing a campaign of 2500 workers qualifies him to run for President. Absurd on its face – exactly how much does he control, nothing, it is all left ot his handlers.
Give me the Hockey Mom over the Hockey puck.
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Ivan the Terribly Logic-Impaired: military experience Obama has no military experience: Gov. Palin is commander of the Alaska National Guard and the Guard has a unique role in national defense in regard to its proximity to Russia and China.
Ridiculous. I know the right has been furiously trying to peddle this line of bull for a couple of days, but it doesn’t wash. The Alaska National Guard is, like the National Guard in any state, under command of the governor only for domestic purposes. If they are needed for national defense, the Pentagon runs the show, as with Guard personnel now serving in Iraq.
This is not 1970. The Russkies are not about to invade us. Palin has not been keeping watch on the seawall.
Can you name me ONE CASE where, as governor of Alaska, she dealt with a Russian security threat?
The hard truth you rightists don’t want to face is this: McCain established a standard for a vice-president: Must be ready to become president on Day One.
In making this pick, his message is clear that voluminous experience is not necessary to fulfill that criterion. And given that, his entire case against Obama loses its “inexperience” component, because if Sarah Palin is ready to be President, Obama certainly is.
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STEVEG – I am a retired National Guard Colonel; the Alaskan Scouts (Army)and other units (Army and Air) have a unique mission across the northern tier. Your statement regarding NG control is correct, but begs the question on day to day missions and operations in Alaska. How would I know of any case of security threats? I don’t know the answer and to ask the question seems to want me to verify that which cannot be verified “at my pay grade.” Besides, using the standard military retort, “If I did know and I told you I’d have to kill you.” I stand by what I said about the roles and missions of the Alaska National Guard.
The case against Obama is achievement, not experience. Governor Palin has a record of achievement, Obama is a product of self promotion (2 books) and a corrupt Chicago political machine. Governor Palin is in charge of a $9 Billion budget and 25,000 state employees. Obama is in charge of nothing.
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Ivan, thanks for your info. I saw a History Channel on the fore-runner to the Alaskan Nat’l Guard. In the early days of WW2 those Territorial Guardsmen were rough and ready dudes who stood in the breach when the Regular Army from the Lower 48 arrived in Alaska woefully unprepared and ill-equipped for their mission up yonder. Folks forget that the remote Aleutian islands were actually occupied by Japanese troops.
More recently, given its vast and strategic mineral wealth ALONG WITH untold numbers of missile silos, I’ve been surprised that AlQ kooks havent attempted any ops in the great frozen north.
But as far as commander in chief leadership being predicated on one’s military service, you need only compare Lincoln to his CSA counterpart: Abe was at best a militia member who admitted to little combat experience. Jefferson Davis was Mexican War hero, West Point grad and had served as SecDef equiv in the 50s. Its really all about who you select as advisors, who you can turn to to get stuff done. Who will Obama pick vs who will McCain pick
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The charge that Barack Obama – a man who has been a senator for nearly four years, was a state senator for eight before that, and a community organizer in Chicago for 22 years previously – is somehow less qualified to run our country than Sarah Palin – a woman who has been governor of a state with a population the size of Memphis, TN for all of 20 months after serving as mayor of a town of 5,000, which she left millions of dollars in debt – is utter hogwash and should be treated as such.
Richard Nixon’s books are about “himself,” too. Obama’s personal experience has been with domestic policy; Nixon’s was with foreign policy. The only real issue here is where you think the clown we currently have in office has fouled up the most: at home, or abroad. We need to get someone in office who has the capacity to actually repair the damage done to the economy and to our international standing by George W. Bush, and let me tell you something: a 72-year-old with cancer who really wants to go to war with Russia and has a secessionist VP with five kids as his backup is the wrong answer.
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Ivan: Your statement regarding NG control is correct, but begs the question on day to day missions and operations in Alaska. How would I know of any case of security threats? I don’t know the answer and to ask the question seems to want me to verify that which cannot be verified “at my pay grade.”
The fact that she might have potentially been in command of the National Guard in a military role in the exceedingly unlikely event that the Russians launched a war on the U.S. via a ground invasion of Alaska does not count as military experience.
It just doesn’t. Now if such a ludicrous scenario had actually transpired and her deft and sure command of the National Guard had repelled the invading force, you might have a case. But it hasn’t, so you don’t.
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You want to talk about experience?
Does even the most diehard Bush supporter think Bush has the slightest idea of what he was getting the U.S. into when he invaded Iraq?
People who gave Bush briefings before the war were appalled by his lack of knowledge about that Iraq. They said Bush had never even heard of the Shiites and the Sunnis.
Since they had been fighting for centuries it might have been a
good thing to know.
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Psssst . . . Nick . . . Bush isn’t on any ballots this fall . . . .
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Obama and Palin are both obviously too inexperienced to be good candidates for president. That is terribly unfortunate. I am no big fan of McCain, but if I have to choose between an inexperienced President and an inexperienced Vice-President, I think I know what I will do.
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Let us remember, BO is running for president. Sarah Palin is running for vice-president.
Most of BO’s experience seems to be in using, as the Chicago Tribune refers to it, “bare-knuckles South-side Chicago” politics to eliminate his opponents.
Frankly, it seems evident from the dirty-politics tirade BO’s shills in the mainline Media are throwing at Governor Palin and her family that BO is running scared. He doesn’t know what to do with a normal middle-class family-woman – especially a Conservative hockey Mom.
For two weeks now BO’s campaign has been inferring that the McCain camp doesn’t understand normal, middle-class families –now they are complaining that Governor Palin has some of the challenges that are common to normal middle-class families, but is handling them without his logical incongruitities.
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Let us remember, BO is running for president. Sarah Palin is running for vice-president.
And she is one skin cancer cell away from the presidency so she should undergo the same scrutiny as a presidential candidate.
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You’re such a pessimist, HRW. What nation are you from again?
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And her record, on scrutiny doesn’t hold up. She was for the bridge to nowhere before she was against it. She ran Ted Stevens’ PAC before she ran on “reform.” There’s not a politician in America who is more pro-oil and anti-environment than Palin.
As mayor of Wasilla, she inherited a city with zero debt, but left it with indebtedness of over $22 million. Sarah campaigned in Wasilla as a “fiscal conservative”. During her 6 years as Mayor, she increased general government expenditures by over 33%. During those same 6 years the amount of taxes collected by the City increased by 38%.
Then there are all the social things that you’ll like and that give me hives. Promoting creationism in the schools. Opposition to sex ed. Trying to get the town’s chief librarian fired when she wouldn’t remove some books from the collection that Palin didn’t like.
This is John McCain’s choice. Say what you want about Palin. I know what it says about McCain. And I am not impressed.
http://www.washingtonindependent.com/3671/the-reform-candidate
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She ran Ted Stevens’ PAC before she ran on “reform.”
So I was a virgin before I was a non-virgin, DCL. I was a non-driver before I got my driver’s license. I was a non-Christian before I became a believer in Jesus Christ.
The point is, once Palin realized Steven was just another crooked politician, she opposed him.
And in the long run, whether or not you are “impressed” with Palin won’t matter in November. The fact GOP voters are overjoyed with McCain’s choice of Palin for VP gives the rest of us confidence in the future.
Whoo-hoo!
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I can’t wait till November to celebrate Barack’s landslide. Intrade has already started betting on whether Palin is the second coming of Thomas Eagleton. Folks, this is going to be a giant embarassment for McCain whatever some of you happen to think.
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Whatever, DCL.
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I don’t know if Jimi Hendix was really experienced when he wrote the following, but he was probably pretty stoned:
If you can just get your mind together
Uh-then come on across to me
Well hold hands and then well watch the sunrise
From the bottom of the sea
But first, are you experienced?
Uh-have you ever been experienced-uh?
Well, I have
(well) I know, I know, youll probably scream and cry
That your little world wont let you go
But who in your measly little world, (-uh)
Are you tryin to prove to that youre
Made out of gold and-uh, cant be sold
So-uh, are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced? (-uh)
Well, I have
Uh, let me prove it to you, yeah
Trumpets and violins I can-uh, hear in the distance
I think theyre callin our name
Maybe now you cant hear them,
But you will, ha-ha, if you just
Take hold of my hand
Ohhh, but are you experienced?
Have you ever been experienced?
Not necessarily stoned, but beautiful
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Just for the record, I have never been high on illegal drugs. I am so square you wouldn’t believe. Maybe you would.
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DC Lawyer: I predict that within about two weeks, Palin will suddenly decide she needs to spend more time with her family and therefore she must withdraw.
That will allow McCain to pick a serious running mate without looking like he suddenly realized the enormous mistake he made. But I am not sure it will be enough to save his candidacy.
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Obama and Palin are both terribly inexperienced. Let us fervently hope that neither of them becomes President of the United States any time in the near future.
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The continuous desperate posts of the Leftists on this thread assure me that McCain made a great choice.
Whoo-hoo!
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Steve G.,
I doubt that will happen. But here’s my prediction, if yours happens: McCain will predict someone equally attractive to conservatives or he will lose. Palin or someone equally conservative is his only chance at the White House, and I think he will keep her and win.
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I just dread the Dem’s trotting out male versions of Gennifer Flowers to tarnish our image of Saint Sarah.
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It’s great that you can dismiss a person’s entire perspective based on political beliefs you imagine them to hold, Outkast. Way to go.
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This last sentence of DCL’s #2 was humorous: “He has more experience than Lincoln and Wilson and many of our founding fathers.
Lincoln kept the Union together; Wilson presided over WWI. And Obama has written 2 books and campaigned. I doubt Obama ever walked miles to go to school or read by candlelight the way Lincoln did, and I suppose splitting those rails is comparable to hunting moose in Alaska in DCL’s view. Wilson was a professor, certainly had more years of experience at that than Obama ever had.
I have no idea which Founders are on DCL’s list, but Ben Franklin did the thing with the lightning and the key, published a heck of a lot of stuff, Washington ran a plantation and the Revolutionary Army. John Adams actually practiced law and ran a farm, Jefferson held colonial office as I recall and ran a plantation. Maybe DCL is referring to someone like Paul Revere — well, he ran a business, too! Had a trade! And he had courage enough to ride that horse in the middle of the night. ALL of them put their lives on the line by revolting against Britain.
I don’t know how the election turns out, and I won’t be as cocky as DCL to make a prediction. I do know, however, that polls and all sorts of pundits predicted Gore and Kerry, and we know how those elections turned out. That’s what happens when the MSM is partisan. They mislead the left so much that the left actually believes the MSM.
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Embarrassment? Luckily women expect men to think they won’t succeed and go on and succeed anyway.
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Yes, NJL, comparing Barry to any of our Founding Fathers or great Presidents is laughable indeed.
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Oh, it just occurred to me which Founders DCL means! Remember in the play “1776″ — New York abstained, courteously, of course, but they abstained.
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Outkast
You’re such a pessimist, HRW. What nation are you from again?
The one with a budget surplus for the last 15 years. The one that never fought a pre-emptive war. The one with the best economy in the G7.
I’m not a pessimist — skin cancer doesn’t go away in old men — at his age, doctors don’t cure cancer they only try to hold if off or contain it.
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NJL I believe DCL is discussing Lincoln’s experience prior to being elected president which is of course the proper comparison.
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The one with a budget surplus for the last 15 years. The one that never fought a pre-emptive war. The one with the best economy in the G7.
Yet I wonder why people continue to sneak across our northern border to move SOUTH? LOL
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Lincoln was a practicing attorney. Oh, that’s right, Obama doesn’t practice law at all. Doesn’t pass any either.
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How do the two candidates compare?
What have each of them stood for in the past?
What have each of them advocated?
What do they want for the future of the USA?
We have already made up our minds about the experience thing, now what does each have in store for us in the future? Where will they drive the bus?
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When Obama was doing all that community organizing, who paid him?
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____________ Obama a Community Organizer in Chicago___________
125 Shot Dead In Chicago Over Summer
Total Is About Double The U.S. Troop Death Toll In Iraq
Sep 5, 2008 12:40 pm US/Central
CHICAGO (CBS) ? An estimated 125 people were shot and killed over the summer. That’s nearly double the number of U.S. soldiers killed in Iraq over the same time period.
In May, cbs2chicago.com began tracking city shootings and posting them on Google maps. Information compiled from our reporters, wire service reports and the Chicago Police Major Incidents log indicated that 125 people were shot and killed throughout the city between the start of Memorial Day weekend on May 26, and the end of Labor Day on Sept. 1.
According to the Defense Department, 65 U.S. soldiers were killed in combat in Iraq. About the same number were killed in Afghanistan over that same period.
In the same time period, an estimated 247 people were shot and wounded in the city.
http://cbs2chicago.com/local/chicago.summer.shootings.2.810166.html
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