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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 12:50:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theophilus: I do not agree. 

Liberals I know (and me) love this country. We love the ideals of the Founders. We love the freedom we have here. 

What we do not believe, however, is that we must pretend America is perfect or free of problems. You rightists always accuse us of &quot;hating America&quot; or some variation on that, whenever we point out something we thing should change. 

You rightists also have some things you think should change. America&#039;s tolerance of abortion and homosexuality makes most conservatives&#039; blood boil. And you speak, loudly and often, against those things. 

And do you notice what does not happen when you do? Liberals disagree with you on those issues, but they never say you must hate America because you so strongly disagree with the way things currently are. 

Point by point, you said:

&lt;i&gt;Liberals are never happy about anything in this great land of ours.&lt;/i&gt;

Categorically wrong. We are happy about many things. I mentioned a few above, and that&#039;s just the start of a long list. 

&lt;i&gt;Liberals are happy insomuch as american greatness is being breached.&lt;/i&gt;

Categorically wrong. Liberals want America to stay great, which it does only by not lowering its standards. 

&lt;i&gt;Liberals are the only ones rejoicing when America is hurt&lt;/i&gt;

Categorically wrong, and slanderous. This is a truly offensive and ignorant thing for you to say. 

&lt;i&gt;is overtaxed for no reason&lt;/i&gt;

Taxes serve a purpose. The conservative alternative is to lower taxes and then increase the debt to pay for things. That allows you some handy pander material, but does not, long term, solve anything. 

&lt;i&gt;or when a prominent conservative has shown vulnerability.&lt;/i&gt;

I&#039;m sure conservatives never rejoice when a prominent liberal stumbles. That much is true but also just human nature ... and both sides are equally guilty, so why do you pretend it&#039;s something unique to liberals?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theophilus: I do not agree. </p>
<p>Liberals I know (and me) love this country. We love the ideals of the Founders. We love the freedom we have here. </p>
<p>What we do not believe, however, is that we must pretend America is perfect or free of problems. You rightists always accuse us of &#8220;hating America&#8221; or some variation on that, whenever we point out something we thing should change. </p>
<p>You rightists also have some things you think should change. America&#8217;s tolerance of abortion and homosexuality makes most conservatives&#8217; blood boil. And you speak, loudly and often, against those things. </p>
<p>And do you notice what does not happen when you do? Liberals disagree with you on those issues, but they never say you must hate America because you so strongly disagree with the way things currently are. </p>
<p>Point by point, you said:</p>
<p><i>Liberals are never happy about anything in this great land of ours.</i></p>
<p>Categorically wrong. We are happy about many things. I mentioned a few above, and that&#8217;s just the start of a long list. </p>
<p><i>Liberals are happy insomuch as american greatness is being breached.</i></p>
<p>Categorically wrong. Liberals want America to stay great, which it does only by not lowering its standards. </p>
<p><i>Liberals are the only ones rejoicing when America is hurt</i></p>
<p>Categorically wrong, and slanderous. This is a truly offensive and ignorant thing for you to say. </p>
<p><i>is overtaxed for no reason</i></p>
<p>Taxes serve a purpose. The conservative alternative is to lower taxes and then increase the debt to pay for things. That allows you some handy pander material, but does not, long term, solve anything. </p>
<p><i>or when a prominent conservative has shown vulnerability.</i></p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure conservatives never rejoice when a prominent liberal stumbles. That much is true but also just human nature &#8230; and both sides are equally guilty, so why do you pretend it&#8217;s something unique to liberals?
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		<title>By: Theophilus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Theophilus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 11:13:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thorn -53  That is because Spinoza only does something if it benefit&#039;s Spinoza. Nothing more, nothing less.

NJL - &lt;i&gt;So if Todd Palin spends as much time with the two little kids as Michelle Obama does with her daughters, who will also be at school most of the day, will everybody be happy? &lt;/i&gt; Not really, NJL. You see, there is something quite peculiar about that demographic known in this country as &quot;liberals&quot;. Liberals are never happy about anything in this great land of ours. Liberals are happy insomuch as american greatness is being breached. Liberals are the only ones rejoicing when America is hurt, is overtaxed for no reason, or when a prominent conservative has shown vulnerability. The main motus operandi of liberals is attack goodness, and whine til they are blue in the state when they don&#039;t get their way. In fact, I&#039;ve not ever seen people like Spinoza, SteveG, Anlir, Luke, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, et al offer any solutions for the problems we face. That is because any viable solution put in moton is something they (libs) will never get the credit for.  ;) 
Face it, libs...........after seeing Sarah&#039;s speech the other night, B. Hussein Obama has just one chance to become President, and it just got a whole lot slimmer.

Hey Outkast....... &lt;B&gt; whoooooooooooooooooooo&lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thorn -53  That is because Spinoza only does something if it benefit&#8217;s Spinoza. Nothing more, nothing less.</p>
<p>NJL &#8211; <i>So if Todd Palin spends as much time with the two little kids as Michelle Obama does with her daughters, who will also be at school most of the day, will everybody be happy? </i> Not really, NJL. You see, there is something quite peculiar about that demographic known in this country as &#8220;liberals&#8221;. Liberals are never happy about anything in this great land of ours. Liberals are happy insomuch as american greatness is being breached. Liberals are the only ones rejoicing when America is hurt, is overtaxed for no reason, or when a prominent conservative has shown vulnerability. The main motus operandi of liberals is attack goodness, and whine til they are blue in the state when they don&#8217;t get their way. In fact, I&#8217;ve not ever seen people like Spinoza, SteveG, Anlir, Luke, Obama, Nancy Pelosi, et al offer any solutions for the problems we face. That is because any viable solution put in moton is something they (libs) will never get the credit for.  <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';)' class='wp-smiley' /><br />
Face it, libs&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..after seeing Sarah&#8217;s speech the other night, B. Hussein Obama has just one chance to become President, and it just got a whole lot slimmer.</p>
<p>Hey Outkast&#8230;&#8230;. <b> whoooooooooooooooooooo</b>
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Sep 2008 02:01:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m listening to Kool &amp; the Gang&#039;s &quot;Celebration&quot; playing on the floor of the convention right now, and am especially belting the &quot;Whoo-hoo&quot;s -- to the delight of the small crowd gathered at my house tonight for the McCain/Palin Party. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m listening to Kool &amp; the Gang&#8217;s &#8220;Celebration&#8221; playing on the floor of the convention right now, and am especially belting the &#8220;Whoo-hoo&#8221;s &#8212; to the delight of the small crowd gathered at my house tonight for the McCain/Palin Party. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:56:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#53 - It&#039;s already everywhere ... of course...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#53 &#8211; It&#8217;s already everywhere &#8230; of course&#8230;
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		<title>By: magwah</title>
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		<dc:creator>magwah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 21:02:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anne Kilkenny
What is known about her?</description>
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What is known about her?
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:54:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Theselittleones,

I wanted badly to vote &lt;i&gt;against&lt;/i&gt; Obama, and thus wanted very much to vote for McCain. But with the campaign finance reform and gang of 14, I simply didn&#039;t trust him and didn&#039;t think he had earned my vote. His promise about Supreme Court nominees seemed like nothing more than a political promise, and a man who is known for stabbing fellow Republicans in the back didn&#039;t seem like the best leader for our party--why would he suddenly start standing up for Republicans now?

And the running mates he had said to be considering were all men who compounded the problem I had with him. I heard four names, two of them pro-abortion and thus automatically tickets I could not vote for. One other possibility was Romney, and he too has not been kind to conservatives in the past and is a Mormon (not a deal-breaker by itself, but a huge problem). The fourth name, mentioned, Pawlentey, was someone I&#039;d barely heard of, and google research showed me very little, so I figured I&#039;d have to see if he chose him, and then find out if I could vote for him. 

When he chose Palin instead, not only did it finally show real respect for conservatives, but he was putting in place a running mate who would hold his feet to the fire if he wavered on his promises. And quite frankly, one reason I really wanted to vote for McCain (and against Obama) is that we are poised to have the Supreme Court justices in place to finally overturn Roe v Wade, and we &quot;need&quot; a conservative win. I wasn&#039;t convinced, not by a long shot, that McCain would fight the liberals he has made nice with in order to put such a candidate in place. But not only has he shown he is taking conservatives seriously (finally), but he did it with a candidate whose own family may seriously help the pro-life message, and who thus may be the God-ordained person for this hour.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Theselittleones,</p>
<p>I wanted badly to vote <i>against</i> Obama, and thus wanted very much to vote for McCain. But with the campaign finance reform and gang of 14, I simply didn&#8217;t trust him and didn&#8217;t think he had earned my vote. His promise about Supreme Court nominees seemed like nothing more than a political promise, and a man who is known for stabbing fellow Republicans in the back didn&#8217;t seem like the best leader for our party&#8211;why would he suddenly start standing up for Republicans now?</p>
<p>And the running mates he had said to be considering were all men who compounded the problem I had with him. I heard four names, two of them pro-abortion and thus automatically tickets I could not vote for. One other possibility was Romney, and he too has not been kind to conservatives in the past and is a Mormon (not a deal-breaker by itself, but a huge problem). The fourth name, mentioned, Pawlentey, was someone I&#8217;d barely heard of, and google research showed me very little, so I figured I&#8217;d have to see if he chose him, and then find out if I could vote for him. </p>
<p>When he chose Palin instead, not only did it finally show real respect for conservatives, but he was putting in place a running mate who would hold his feet to the fire if he wavered on his promises. And quite frankly, one reason I really wanted to vote for McCain (and against Obama) is that we are poised to have the Supreme Court justices in place to finally overturn Roe v Wade, and we &#8220;need&#8221; a conservative win. I wasn&#8217;t convinced, not by a long shot, that McCain would fight the liberals he has made nice with in order to put such a candidate in place. But not only has he shown he is taking conservatives seriously (finally), but he did it with a candidate whose own family may seriously help the pro-life message, and who thus may be the God-ordained person for this hour.
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:54:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I might have considered voting third-party if McCain had chosen LIeberman for his VP (due to his stand on moral and social issues). Choosing Palin sealed my decision to vote GOP this year.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I might have considered voting third-party if McCain had chosen LIeberman for his VP (due to his stand on moral and social issues). Choosing Palin sealed my decision to vote GOP this year.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 19:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>theselittleones - 54

I would not have voted for McCain if he had chosen Romney, but since Palin is his choice I will vote for him.  McCain is going to make a terrific President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>theselittleones &#8211; 54</p>
<p>I would not have voted for McCain if he had chosen Romney, but since Palin is his choice I will vote for him.  McCain is going to make a terrific President.
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		<title>By: theselittleones</title>
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		<dc:creator>theselittleones</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:47:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;d like to ask those who previously would not have voted for McCain, why you would now vote for him because of his choice for vice president?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d like to ask those who previously would not have voted for McCain, why you would now vote for him because of his choice for vice president?
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		<title>By: Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 04 Sep 2008 18:16:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .&quot;

Way to go Spinoza, disregard the writers own request :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;You have my permission to forward this to your friends/email contacts with my name and email address attached, but please do not post it on any websites, as there are too many kooks out there . . .&#8221;</p>
<p>Way to go Spinoza, disregard the writers own request <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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