McCain closes the show
One difference between the three other acceptance speeches and McCain’s, last night, was that I didn’t need to watch his. I know him. I know what he’s about. And you probably do, too, whether you like him or not. Here’s the highlights:
ON SARAH PALIN: “[Governor Palin has] balanced a budget, cut taxes, and taken on the special interests. She’s reached across the aisle and asked Republicans, Democrats and Independents to serve in her administration. She’s the mother of five children. She’s helped run a small business, worked with her hands and knows what it’s like to worry about mortgage payments and health care and the cost of gasoline and groceries.”
ON IRAQ: ”I fought for the right strategy and more troops in Iraq, when it wasn’t a popular thing to do. And when the pundits said my campaign was finished, I said I’d rather lose an election than see my country lose a war.”
ON EDUCATION: “Education is the civil rights issue of this century [...] When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.”
ON THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN HIM AND OBAMA: “I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God.”
He’s a doer, not a talker, and that much was clear. But impressive nonetheless, as were speeches on both sides over the last two weeks. Great job, America.













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“Education is the civil rights issue of this century [...] When a public school fails to meet its obligations to students, parents deserve a choice in the education of their children. And I intend to give it to them. Some may choose a better public school. Some may choose a private one. Many will choose a charter school. But they will have that choice and their children will have that opportunity.”
Oh, brother…
It’s always the school’s fault. When are people going to admit that some kids just aren’t all that bright?
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He’s a doer, not a talker, and that much was clear.
Yes, there’s nothing like political propaganda for “proof.”
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Night Train:
I have a grandson who did fine and is very bright. When he hit high school, he tanked. I tested his reading ability with a computer test at home. It was well above average. My husband did math with him. He was quite capable at it. He just hated school, and finally dropped out as a junior and got a full-time job, which he still has one year later. (He really likes it.) We maintain the school was the problem, and there weren’t other options we could afford. Later, the dean at his school apologized to us that he “fell through the cracks” like that. Big cracks, if you ask me. If we had been able to find a good school for him, I know he would have done fine and be in college now.
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Well, there you have it folks. Janie’s kid hated school, which proves that all kids in America are equally bright.
I stand corrected, Janie.
Thanks for enlightening me.
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We all share our personal experiences on this blog, NT. It’s pretty immature for you to make fun of Janie for simply sharing her perspective.
Thanks for sharing, Janie, and I apologize for Night Train’s abusive response in post #4.
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I…I’m so ashamed.
Thank you for that rebuke in Christian love, Outkast.
I will never post again.
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Night Train,
I don’t think anyone said it is always the school’s fault. You’re right, sometimes the students just aren’t cut out for academia.
But you are seriously kidding yourself if you think the public schools are satisfactory. I’d like to know the amount of tax dollars that go into our public schools per student. I bet that amount is as high or higher than the amount per student of the private school I attended.
There is definitely a problem with the public school system, and the answer is not more money. I agree with McCain that the answer is competition.
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Janie, I, too, want to thank you for sharing. I don’t have kids, so I rely on these anecdotal experiences to give me an idea of what’s out there. That’s one of the reasons I come to the blog, so I’ll know what families across the country are experiencing on issues I as a single person don’t usually encounter.
I hope your son will take his GED and go to college when he’s ready. That the school admitted it’s fault is telling. Maybe that dean would be willing to give your son a letter of recommendation.
I’m all for competition in school. Had Janie had options for her son, he might be in college now — not that a few years of work will hurt him. It’ll give him perspective that other kids won’t have. Competition is what made this country great in every way — someone always wanted to built a better mousetrap, so to speak. Competition works to make things better in the long run for all and leads to innovation. Which is why I’ll vote for John McCain.
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NT, now that you have apologized, don’t go away mad and sad.
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Here’s an anecdote, and y’all know that I’m not one of those people who think everyone should homeschool and if you don’t you’re sending your kids to “the Devil’s school”: We only have seven kids, but have been amazed at the differences in personalities from the same parents, in the same environment. Homeschooling saved one of my daughter’s life. She “fell through the cracks” as an administrator also admitted to me. But we switched her to the districts homeschool option–usually reserved here in Cali for the pro-surfers, she was a “classmate” of Shawn White, and actors in the district–and she thrived. One daugther excelled in the competitiveness of a private school. Our sons have done very well in public high school.
Options and affordable choice would go a looooong way in helping parents AND educators.
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That’s exactly why we need vouchers, IMO.
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I wrote about the Education as Civil Rights last night — a bit more cautious approach. The new aspect was the increased recognition for charter schools. This sounds like another of the subtle shifts from the 90’s style culture wars approaches (private and home school). A bit more realistic, one might say.
As to the speech generally, I confess to a certain cognitive whiplash from the night before. You know: Smack Smack Smack, then S-m-i-l-e.
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#9 NJLawyer,
‘NT, now that you have apologized, don’t go away mad and sad.’
I would like to add ‘just go away’
Let’s see if NT can tell if I was joking. Even NT has a 50% chance of being right this time.
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Some years back I heard about an old Civil Rights worker. He now heads up something called “The Algebra Project”. It is designed to help mainly black youngsters in the poorer areas of the American south come to appreciate math and science. Competence if not absolute mastery of those subjects is vital for any of the high-paying jobs upon which rests our economic prosperity. Economic development tends to go where the smart, trained workforce is already in place.
That large swaths of our kids are trapped in sub par schools indicates further decline in technical industrial high wage jobs.
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Let’s hope John McCain continues to draw breath, God help America. Paul Krugman complains that tv didn’t show a Palin reaction shot at that point in McCain’s speech.
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Outkast #11:
A better idea than vouchers is a tax credit in the amount spent for primary and secondary education. That way, the government never gets its string-attaching mitts on the money for my children’s education.
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OK, I’ve been saying approving things this morning to Night Train. This may be a bad habit.
NT, what color are the kids who aren’t that bright?
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Janie, I, too, enjoyed your story. Also, yours, Adios. I have done a bit of homeschooling, public–different ones, and private for my children. My middle daughter made it through her last two years by going to the local college under the open options program. She is getting her Master’s now and is quite successful by all standards. I’m not sure how she would have done without the option. Perhaps fine. However, the options aided her. I hope someday everyone has them.
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Let’s not forget that in most communities around the country, public schools are providing fine teaching to the most gifted and accomplished students. The high school of choice 9 times out of 10 is a public school carrying out its mission at a lower cost than than its “peer” private schools. Mediocre public schools provide mediocre students mediocre academics, rather like mediocre private schools, without the superfluous, proprietary ethos.
Meanwhile, poor students get poor educations in poor public schools, the only schools there are for them. A teacher in such a school sometimes provides a student nothing more than an uninterrupted hour of sleep. A student with her head on the desk is taken as evidence of a bad teacher, of course. Republicans want to get rid of such a teacher. Even if the girl worked the street all night for her crackhead stepfather, their solution is a Christian teacher.
My point: Private Christian schools are a cultural preference, not an educational advantage. The best grade schools in the world probably are communist schools in China and atheist schools in Japan.
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NT, what color are the kids who aren’t that bright?
Why do you assume that the not so bright students are a particular color, RN?
And why are you asking me? Ask HSK – he’s the one who said that some kids just aren’t that bright.
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Costco’s monthly magazine “The Costco Connection” does a survey of general interest in every issue. The current one is on whether homeschool “teachers” (the parents usually) should be required to be state certified as teachers. The whole magazine is online. I’m not good with posting links, but look for the Informed Debate page on p. 16.
It is this liberal educational view that makes me nervous for my grandchildren (my kids are 12 and 13, so it will be awhile). In the ideal liberal world the state Board of Education (in our state, appointed, not elected officials over which the legislature has limited influence) decides what the standards are and what should be taught. The state, not the parent, would decide what is best for the child.
I hope this is a stretch, but I don’t think it is. In Barack Obama’s ideal America state run preschools would be mandatory. If the abortion issue weren’t enough, the prospect of turning our children over to the state as soon as they’re potty-trained is enough to make me want to financially support the Republican ticket.
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Scroop, Point well taken. However, there’s a reason Americans aren’t fleeing to China or Japan to improve their children’s education.
It’s ironic to me that the same folks that would promote choice in birth control would remove choice in education.
“Even if the girl worked the street all night for her crackhead stepfather, their solution is a Christian teacher.” is an inaccurate and overly simplistic take on the views of those who don’t subscribe to the solution of turning all our children over to the state and their standards (moral and academic).
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Vouchers for X amount of dollars will allow private schools to raise their tuition by X amount of dollars. You think I’m crazy? Colleges and universities have been raising their tuition rates at a far greater rate than inflation and people still send their kids their at the same rates. How is this possible? Federal student loans, of course. Works the same way.
Vouchers will also allow the federal government to stick its nose in where it doesn’t belong. I like Catholic schools because they teach religion and don’t “mainstream” disabled kids with normal kids. If the government lets voucher money hit Catholic school coffers, you can bet the curriculum will change and the schools will be forced to let autistic and ADHD kids share classrooms with normal kids.
Finally, if these “failed schools” had parents who cared, they could change it. Unfortunately, most “failed schools” are in urban areas, where most children come from one-parent (mom) household. That parent has to work and raise children alone and rarely has time to affect change in their child’s school.
How about those parents stop having kids unless they are married. That way, they can spend more time parenting the kid as well as helping the local kid. Parents are more responsible for their child’s education than the school, by far. Time to hold them accountable, not the schools.
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Lance: You are correct.
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#15 Scroopy,
‘Paul Krugman complains that tv didn’t show a Palin reaction shot at that point in McCain’s speech.’
You really got to stay with it Scroopy. Krugman is so old and passe Whack Job Marxist – almost Clintonesque. You need to spend more time on the DailyKOS and quote some of the more current whack jobs or folks on this blog will just think you are losing it and your comments more insane than usual.
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Lester’s right. Vouchers will destroy quality public and private schools. There’s nothing conservative about supporting school vouchers. School vouchers are liberal insanity.
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Lester – A tax credit could prevent the tuition rate hikes, and keep the government’s nose out of it. A tax credit to any accredited school, public, private or parochial. There are ways to make it work and safeguards can be put into place to prevent such tuition hikes.
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Thanks to all of you who appreciated my story. I too hope that he will get his GED and go on to college at some point. Right now, I think the job is the best thing for him–he’s actually learning stuff there he didn’t learn at school! But to his credit, he did go get the info re the GED.
I’d also like to say that I don’t think the answer for fixing a school is always more money. However, I definitely think something needs to be done to make school funding more equitable. An inner city teacher I know buys her students supplies herself that other schools furnish to students. Sometimes, she has to find a way to fundraise to buy books!
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I’m all in favor of school choice as long as there is an even playing field. In other words, private schools should be required to take all comers just like public schools do, regardless of ability to pay, handicap, or educational level.
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AKMOM — What is your #22 solution to the girl with her head on her desk if not what I suggested. (BTW, she was my student, and I may have been the best teacher for her that any school teacher could provide.)
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HSK He’s a doer, not a talker, and that much was clear.
Nonsense, he is the biggest fat talker in American politics when the theme is himself.
McCain said “I” 113 times, “me” or “my” 64 times. His self-centered pronouns were 70% more frequent than Obama’s
“I’m not running for president because I think I’m blessed with such personal greatness that history has anointed me to save our country in its hour of need. My country saved me. My country saved me, and I cannot forget it. And I will fight for her for as long as I draw breath, so help me God.”
The difference between McCain and Obama is that McCain is talking primarily about himself.
Obama, on the other hand talks about “we” “us” and “our” nearly twice as much as McCain does.
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Scroop. Been there. When I was in Jr. Hi. my Dad was a HS English teacher in inner city Chicago Vocational School, a school that in the late 60’s was all but 3% black. I visited his school, sat in on his classes. His approach to try to engage High School vocational students in English was to have them read black authors – I fell in love with the writing of Langston Hughes that year.
But that’s beside the point. I don’t have a quick easy solution, nor is your blanket “their solution is a Christian teacher” reflective of my opinion. I agree that the problem in your example is parenting, not necessarily the school system. However, I disagree that the solution to either problem is to have the state (in the broader sense of the term, of course) take over the raising or educating of children.
I’m all for choice in schools and supporting parents and students in their quest for the best education they can find for their children. The book “The Color of Water” gives an outstanding example of a mom who went to great lengths to get that for her children.
World Mag. had a whole issue in recent remembry of schools in difficult situations that were succeeding. Take away options and you remove the opportunity for creativity that results in excellence.
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Anlir,
How can private schools take all comers and still afford to stay in business?
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#29 Scroop
I re-read your post and missed the “what I suggested” part. Sorry. I’ve probably been looking at this too long. Would you please reference the post that contains your suggestion and I’ll look again.
Thanks.
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You’re ok, the indefinite reference was my fault. “What I suggested” was the part you objected to as not reflecting your POV, which is my characterization of the conservative Rx for education: Christian teachers and rules, devotions, theistic science, independence from the state, etc.
My point is that administrative control of a school has very little to do who a kid learns something. I might concede that competition can get you a better mousetrap, but I don’t see competition as the solution to learning problems. Ditto for religion.
Evangelicalism, in particular, is a good spur to critical thinking, but a very poor cultural resource for children. If evangelical parents were smart, evangelical education would be the last thing they want for their bright kids. My opinion.
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sorry, how a kid learns something
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And why are you asking me? Ask HSK – he’s the one who said that some kids just aren’t that bright.
I don’t know that HSK is bright enough to give me a good answer. You seem pretty smart, NT.
Actually, I am still trying to figure out whether you and Nick are racists or not? I know you can’t speak for Nick (anyway, NJL seems to have appointed herself to that duty), but I can’t tell if a) You are not a racist but just want to sound like one; b) feel picked on because of your pale skin color; or c) are a racist but are unwilling to just come right out and b proud of yourself in this regard.
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As I said RN, ask HSK what color the not so bright kids are. He’s the one who said that not every kid is equally bright. I’m just agreeing with him.
And why do you think that the not so bright kids are one particular race? And then you turn around and accuse others of racism..
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In other words, private schools should be required to take all comers just like public schools do, regardless of ability to pay, handicap, or educational level.
If private schools were required by the government to do “just like the public schools do,” then they’d no longer be private schools.
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Anlir
Private schools are just that ‘private’ – people send their children to these schools so that they will be given the education they desire, not the education YOU want them to have.
Why the socialist approach Anlir? – this isn’t a socialist country.
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