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This is not a political post about Sarah Palin
It’s a post about the gentle invective that’s spewing out at her from people like Judith Warner, a Times blogger who offers a critique of Sarah Palin that’s so patronizing and hateful, one has begun to feel sorry for her husband (Warner’s, not Palin’s). Palin’s nomination for vice president is bringing a lot out of people. Some morsels from Warner’s column:
- She calls Palin’s nomination “nauseating.”
- An inane rhetorical question regarding how Palin seems both physically attractive and articulate: “Could there be a more thoroughgoing humiliation for America’s women?”
- She says that Palin “seems as fake as they can come.”
Keep it up, Warner, and half of America will make sure you’re unhappy come November. I suppose the high-octane vitriol is just one sign that the Left has had their Sure Thing put back on ice.
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Harrison,
What about the high-octane vitriol from the right towards Obama? Could that not be a sign that the Right has had their Sure Thing put back on ice?
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A lot of the most hateful stuff about Palin is coming from Jewish people like Warner. Not sure why, but there it is.
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Palin seems as fake as they come?
Has Ms. Warner seen the cosmetic surgery done on Ms. Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?
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Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy don’t like her either.
Here is indicted congressman Tom DeLay’s endorsement of Sarah.
Here is indicted senator Ted Stevens endorsement of Palin.
She even hired a lobbyist who worked with Jack Abramoff.
The CROOKS LOVE their new chances with SARAH!
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Nick,
Cindy McCain had it too. shhh
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Dr. Laura doesn’t like her either.
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Did most of the original high-octane vitriol towards Obama come from Hillary?
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Did most of the original high-octane vitriol towards Obama come from Hillary?
Uh, no. I’m as big a Hillary hater as anyone but that’s just ridiculous.
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Remember, the Republicans want to run the race on personalities, not the issues. If the Presidential race is run on the issues, the Republicans know they’re toast.
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Let them do their “work.”
Although Warner’s comments written above bring that woman who said “I’m melting” to mind.
(cue in music for said lady)
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Most of it came out when he was running against her. Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.
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You brought up Obama, not me. If you want some examples of high-octane vitriol about him when he was running against her, look no further than the WoW archives. Much of it came from Christians, some of it came from me. None of it came from Hillary. And that was true of thousands of conservative blogs on the ‘net. If you have some examples of Hillary doing that, feel free to let us know.
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I suppose the high-octane vitriol is just one sign that the Left has had their Sure Thing put back on ice.
No, it’s an honest reaction to a closer look at Sarah Palin. I find her completely “nauseating” - especially with respect to her gleeful plundering of the environment and disregard for wildlife.
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
I also see no altruistic “servant of the people” or “reformer” in her record, just a lot of cynical political opportunism from another anti-science redneck. Another talking head who can act, i.e., read a speech, convincingly, with meager understanding (at best) of the issues involved.
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I think the hatred that defines the Left (which you see of course coming out from this pitiful woman) is due to the general unhappiness that Leftists characteristically exhibit/feel. (Conservatives tend to be ‘happier’ and ‘more content’ than leftists, according to studies I have seen in recent years).
The typical Leftists have essentially rejected the idea that people have an intrinsic value BECAUSE they are beings wonderfully made in the image of a much greater Absolute - independent of their environment.
To (most) Leftists (like this woman) people only have value when it is granted or bestowed by a group or a culture or a State; so human value is measured only in terms of political/Statist factors with no external meaning. And individuals really have NO value in such a belief system, or the rights and meaning and value of individuals are at best secondary and tenuous and merely derived from their group or type or condition. This sort of system results in a mental and spiritual self-imposed one-dimensional prison because a human being is primarily a spiritual being, like it or not.
And so this value system is essentially a sterile and meaningless wasteland - leads to self-loathing and then outward hatred to any who exhibits a break-out from that terrible self-defined prison.
And so the venom and loathing and fear you see directed at Palin or like targets (as shown in the header of this thread and elsewhere in the ‘establishment’ media) is truly pathetic.
It is really just a window into a tormented soul. And it is not exactly pretty to look through that window.
By no means are ALL leftists like this - some not at all, who manage, by hook and crook, to somehow integrate faith with leftist views.
But this woman, like so many others crawling out of the woodwork in the past few days, is a poster child for the discontent that ever gnaws at their spirits.
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One does truly does wonder whether the average Worldmag reader can really read or not. Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
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Why do women admire a person like Ms. Clinton who not only put up with a cheating husband for decades but she obtained her success because of him? In the same breath that are offended by Ms. Palin who appears to have a good, faithful husband.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
Well, not every name. I can’t recall anyone using the N word when talking about Obama.
But the idea that most of the vitriol that Obama experienced these past few months was coming from Hillary is just plain nuts.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
And I’m sure you have examples, Anlir?
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Interesting. I am disappointed that Obama is the nominee and will be very concerned if he becomes president, but “nauseated”? no.
On the other hand I guess it’s not right to judge someone else’s visceral reaction to nominee news. I’ve been running around with a silly grin on my face ever since Gov. Palin was picked.
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Whoo-hoo!
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Seriously Anlir, what names has Obama been called on this website?
Even if he been called “every name in the book” the comments would have been deleted.
So please give your most compelling example from post #15.
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KBells-
“Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.”
Check out this compilation of FOX NEWS for starters
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18 & 21 - are you guys serious?
Try Marxist, racist, bigot, appeaser, elitist, terrorist sympathizer, etc. And that’s just the first sentence of a typical Llama post about Obama.
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Llama may have used those words, NT, but I don’t recall him ever directing them specifically toward BHO. Got examples?
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Lumpy: You need to work on reading-comprehension a little more. The examples were asked of when those terms were used on THIS site, not on FOX News.
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“That is what Marxists do. Once people are old, blind and broke, Marxists put them in prison to die - even if they were never any trouble at all during their whole lives and meant no one any harm adn are completely innocent of the trumped up crimes they were charged with.
If Obama gets electd and you are not middle class or below, you will see Marxists in action here - for yourself - first hand.” Llama
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Obviously curse words are not allowed on Worldmag, but if they were I’m sure we’d see some pretty “colorful” stuff in regards to Obama.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
Obviously curse words are not allowed on Worldmag, but if they were I’m sure we’d see some pretty “colorful” stuff in regards to Obama.
How to you reconcile these two statements of yours, Anlir? In one post you say he HAS BEEN CALLED ever name in the book, and in the other you are saying he was not?
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If I posted ALL the stuff I find it would make for a whole lot of scrolling and kill the thread
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I don’t think most people in the USA can trust this guy. He sounds too partisan and is probably a class warfare guy who hates everyone execpt Black middle classs Marxists or something. He certainly is too politically insane and dangerously narrow beamed. Presidents and their running mates are supposed to be for everyone not a few elitists like them. Posted by Llama #28 on
http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/21/obama-has-picked-his-vp/
Yeah, no name calling here!
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But you don’t find all those descriptions used on this blog, Lumpy, so you can keep all those wacko cut-and-paste comments to yourself.
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Night Train #23 Well, let us see about Obama:
Marxist works, by his own admission (depending on the degree it stuck with him; Marxist-influenced would be a milder way of expressing it - but whatever, he admits to drawing himself to that, on purpose and deliberately).
He supported a racist bigoted minister whom he called his spiritual mentor for twenty years. Does that make him a racist or a bigot? Not to me. But to some it could, I think. To me it just makes him a supporter of a racist/bigot. Either really bad judgement or leaning that way himself.
Clinical description, no spin, there.
Terrorist sympathizer? Well, he got his political kickstart in the home of William Ayers and his wife, noted cop-killing bomb-throwing Underground Weathermen terrorists of past decades. Does that make him a terrorist sympathizer? At one time he was friends/associates/political allies with a known terrorist.
Now. All these things are just matters of record - you can always spin them up or away, as you wish. He was young, it was not serious, he was just snoozing in the pulpit, etc. Or maybe (if the Leftists on this blog were actually honest) you might even LIKE those things!
So there is nothing high-octance vitriol about those ‘labels’. Just hard facts - followed by partisan spin, one way or the other. The facts are pretty damning to me, but maybe not to you.
So, on the other side of the fence, if you want to call Palin a gun-toting, government-limiting, Christian, right-winger - why go ahead. All those could be supported. Pluses to me, by the way.
But, no, here we have the media engaged in photo-shopping and generating lewd pictures and made-up stories, attacking Palin personally, attacking and slandering her minor children, etc.
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Outkast-
Are you giving Anlir a hard time? After you wrote this today regarding abortion?
“It should be the mother’s decision, Lumpy. It’s called “freedom of choice.”
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Drill, please learn to read. When you get through Hooked on Phonics, get back to me, m’kay?
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Night Train: Thanks, you are right.
I missed the ‘elitist’ reference to Obama.
Well, he does exhibit elitism. For instance (one example only), he told a leftist audience in San Francisco that us average Americans ‘cling to our guns and our religion because we are bitter’, etc. That is pretty much textbook elitism.
Now, that could be okay - if you like the idea of elitism (the governance of the many by a priviledged few).
I don’t like it, i.e. I don’t like elitism, in any form.
Anyway, Night Train, good catch.
I forgot that ‘elitism’ was one of the things you had pointed out people had ‘accused’ Obama of.
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One more time, Victoria style:
Drill, please learn to read. When you get through Hooked on Phonics, get back to me, m’kay?
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Kbells, is #30 high octane enough for you?
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Night Train: MAN, you are right AGAIN!
THANKS, lad.
I forgot you listed ‘appeaser’ as one of the labels that have been used for Obama in your post #23!
I really am getting sloppy in my reading of your posts! Must be all those really little words you use; makes me careless.
Well, Obama is indeed an ‘appeaser’. He has suggested that Iran is ‘not dangerous’ and that he would talk to terrorist groups rather than fight them (at least as possible). Certainly that is ‘appeasement’. Could be a good thing, depending on your viewpoint. Or not.
Anyway, Night Train, you sure have been HELPFUL to me today!
Thanks!
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“But you don’t find all those descriptions used on this blog, Lumpy, so you can keep all those wacko cut-and-paste comments to yourself.”
Yes. I did, as a matter of fact. Shall I post all of them at once or let them trickle?
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Drill, I’m starting to understand why you feel such an affinity for Sarah Palin’s new baby.
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HSK: Keep it up, Warner, and half of America will make sure you’re unhappy come November.
We don’t know what kind of energy the record low-pressure system of American politics is going to generate by November. There’s a huge amount of information and raw emotion going into it, and the result can’t be predicted. I’m afraid this election will be extremely destructive of any future chance of a political understanding between the two Americas, red and blue.
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Drill not like elitist?
Then allow me to point out that Cindy McCain was wearing a couple of homes worth of elitist fashion at the RNC:
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000-$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100
To be fair they have Michelle Obama’s wardrobe total too if you look at the link.
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Handsome is as handsome does. If Palin doesn’t submit to testing by the American political process, but holes up in Alaska to be prepped for stagey and scripted appearances designed to promote a persona rather than political program, then she really is as phony as people have a right now to presume now that she is, given the circumstances.
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I will tell you a name Obama is never called: left-wing.
Even though he is the most liberal member of the Senate he is rarely labeled.
Of course most conservatives are routinely called right-wing.
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Godlumps: Bet they both (Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama) smelled really good, too.
Better than Sarah Palin, anyway, after she gets finished gutting a moose she just single-handedly brought down with a pocket-knife and a rolling pin, all the while nursing a kid, kicking the behind of a deranged state trooper, running the Alaskan state government, and cooking a panful of really excellent applesauce-raisin muffins.
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Nick: I admit it. I have called Obama left-wing on any number of occasions, here and elsewhere. I am so ashamed. Do you think Obama will EVER forgive me?
Maybe he will if I give up my guns and my religion?
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It’s usually ‘leftist’ instead, is it not?
And drill, Ms. McCain would have that old lady smell. ick.
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Palin mum on endorsing Stevens
By Manu Raju
Posted: 09/05/08 03:28 PM [ET]
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is not saying whether she will vote in November to send the indicted Ted Stevens back to the Senate for a seventh full term.
The indictment has put Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) running mate in a tricky position. If Palin endorses Stevens, it will appear that she is undermining her message of taking on the GOP establishment and cleaning up corruption in her state. But should the popular governor oppose his reelection, it could deliver a blow to Stevens’s campaign and give Democrats ammunition as they try to pick up one more Senate seat.
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I was surprised to learn more women tuned in to Obama’s speech than watched Palin’s. Would not have guessed that.
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FLASH: MCCAIN SPEECH BEATS OBAMA BY 500,000 VIEWS…
MCCAIN SPEECH 10-11:15PM
FOXNEWS 9.2 MILLION
NBC 8.7 MILLION
ABC: 6.0 MILLION
CBS: 5.3 MILLION
CNN 4.8 MILLION
MSNBC 2.5 MILLION
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Godlumps. Nah. McCain doesn’t smell like an old lady. They smell kind of nice, mothballs and lavender and all that, you know.
Old Navy aviators smell like the inside of a locker in a third-rate gym in a run-down neighborhood in South Side Chicago.
I should know. I knew a few.
Oh. I erred. Night Train would be distressed again.
Ever since Obama was an Assistant Community Organizer in South Side Chicago (how he got all his executive experience, you know), the place has become a PARADISE. There are no run-down neighborhoods or third-rate gyms in South Side anymore, thanks to Obama.
I think.
The Lord knows I want to be politically correct, here.
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Lord knows you tried, Corky. That’s the main thing.
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Thanks, Moe. I always try to do the main thing.
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Calm down, Victoria. McCain’s going to win. He’ll do absolutely nothing about abortion or gay marriage of course, but you’ll have a strong, accomplished, beautiful woman in the White House. And when they bring back the draft, and it includes women, be sure and tell your daughters as they head to boot camp that there’s nothing a woman can’t do, and it’s all about shattering glass ceilings.
Semper fi, mac.
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KBELLS: Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.
Palin treated Obama like a punching bag: “Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights.” Obama merely wants prisoners at Guantanamo, very few of whom are members of Al Qaeda, to have human rights and not to be tortured. McCain once wanted the same, but now as a Republican candidate lacks the guts to say so.
Huckabe belittled Obama as “symbolic.” He isn’t. There’s no way of knowing yet whether Palin is or isn’t, because our political system hasn’t tested her.
McCain questioned the patriotism of his opponents as “me first, country second” people. Among other false claims, he said Obama opposed nuclear power.
The worst vitriol is smear-by-implication. By using anger and derision, the Republicans are portraying Obama and the democrats as by nature unrepresentative of America. What’s so galling is that the Republican convention delegates were the richest and least diverse crowd you could ask for.
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You gotta admire the CCR’s claiming that they’ve never called Obama names on here. Jesus is so proud of them, no more so than when they denigrate Obama and then lie about it.
P.S. I call on Outkast to cease his personal attacks on me.
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Drill - (Conservatives tend to be ‘happier’ and ‘more content’ than leftists, according to studies I have seen in recent years).
Well ignorance is “bliss” after all -
Conservative happiness reminds me of a Nirvana song;
“Im so happy cause today
I’ve found my friends
They’re in my head …”
etc., etc.
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Oh, dear…
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#55 - yes - McCain was actually treated very respectfully at the DNC, but the RNC, and Palin’s speech especially, was best chracterized as a red meat market.
Giuliani looked and sounded like a total thug with a hall full of goons chanting in agreement. I think most Americans (excepting GOP delegates) were repulsed.
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#50 So more people watched the McCain speech eh? I think that’s probably good news for Obama, since it was given at best mediocre reviews and was panned as sleep-inducing by many.
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Here’s an interesting report. Conservatives are happier because they are less compassionate:
“Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities.”
http://www.livescience.com/health/080507-liberal-conservative.html
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Of course, all of this “happiness” research is based on self-descriptions, not any objective metric of happiness. Conservatives, perhaps, feel more obliged to describe themselves as happy. Whether they actually are or not has not been measured!
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Spin: But conservatives give far more to charity and were the ones who showed up in droves to help after Katrina, etc.
Hmmm.
But hate on, dude. Your panic is showing.
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But hate on, dude. Your panic is showing.
This line of response is so dumb - I hear it from Harrison (in this post) to OutKast and now Drill, whom I would have considered above it.
You guys show “righteous indignation” at the drop of a thread from a hat. But when anyone else suggests a possible problem with your ideological foregone conclusions, you start muttering about hate and panic, as if you’ve scored some kind of victory.
All this proves is that you hope to persuade not with reason or principle, but with intimidation and fear-mongering. But then, we knew that …
Hate on yourself, dude!
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Night Train
Gasp! Are you making fun of the Marines? If you continue, I regret to inform you that I’ll have to kick your behind. /silly pride off.
Spinoza
You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to us.
Anlir
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Asking for proof is not a personal attack. Of course, he could have asked nicely. I’ll do it for him. “My dear friend would you please produce some kind of backing for your claims?” (I’m practicing for debate team!
Godlumps
Do you have something against rich people? Is it against the law to be rich? I don’t have a problem with Mrs. McCain spending her money as she sees fit. Why do you?
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“Warner…a Times blogger who offers a critique of Sarah Palin that’s so patronizing and hateful, one has begun to feel sorry for her husband (Warner’s, not Palin’s).”
I used to think of Harrison as perhaps “the thinking WMB’er,” but that designation is wearing thin.
Assuming that because a woman issues a strong critique (or kritik, if you prefer) of Sarah Palin, that she is ALSO a nagging or vindictive harpy at home whom her husband resents (or at least has cause too) is ALSO patronizing and hateful.
This is why we don’t trust conservatives with feminism. They just don’t seem to be able to stop themselves from making sexists jokes while critiquing (or kritiking, if you prefer) all the “sexism” they are apparently victims of.
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