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This is not a political post about Sarah Palin
It’s a post about the gentle invective that’s spewing out at her from people like Judith Warner, a Times blogger who offers a critique of Sarah Palin that’s so patronizing and hateful, one has begun to feel sorry for her husband (Warner’s, not Palin’s). Palin’s nomination for vice president is bringing a lot out of people. Some morsels from Warner’s column:
- She calls Palin’s nomination “nauseating.”
- An inane rhetorical question regarding how Palin seems both physically attractive and articulate: “Could there be a more thoroughgoing humiliation for America’s women?”
- She says that Palin “seems as fake as they can come.”
Keep it up, Warner, and half of America will make sure you’re unhappy come November. I suppose the high-octane vitriol is just one sign that the Left has had their Sure Thing put back on ice.
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Harrison,
What about the high-octane vitriol from the right towards Obama? Could that not be a sign that the Right has had their Sure Thing put back on ice?
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A lot of the most hateful stuff about Palin is coming from Jewish people like Warner. Not sure why, but there it is.
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Palin seems as fake as they come?
Has Ms. Warner seen the cosmetic surgery done on Ms. Clinton and Nancy Pelosi?
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Peggy Noonan and Mike Murphy don’t like her either.
Here is indicted congressman Tom DeLay’s endorsement of Sarah.
Here is indicted senator Ted Stevens endorsement of Palin.
She even hired a lobbyist who worked with Jack Abramoff.
The CROOKS LOVE their new chances with SARAH!
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Nick,
Cindy McCain had it too. shhh
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Dr. Laura doesn’t like her either.
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Did most of the original high-octane vitriol towards Obama come from Hillary?
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Did most of the original high-octane vitriol towards Obama come from Hillary?
Uh, no. I’m as big a Hillary hater as anyone but that’s just ridiculous.
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Remember, the Republicans want to run the race on personalities, not the issues. If the Presidential race is run on the issues, the Republicans know they’re toast.
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Let them do their “work.”
Although Warner’s comments written above bring that woman who said “I’m melting” to mind.
(cue in music for said lady)
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Most of it came out when he was running against her. Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.
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You brought up Obama, not me. If you want some examples of high-octane vitriol about him when he was running against her, look no further than the WoW archives. Much of it came from Christians, some of it came from me. None of it came from Hillary. And that was true of thousands of conservative blogs on the ‘net. If you have some examples of Hillary doing that, feel free to let us know.
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I suppose the high-octane vitriol is just one sign that the Left has had their Sure Thing put back on ice.
No, it’s an honest reaction to a closer look at Sarah Palin. I find her completely “nauseating” – especially with respect to her gleeful plundering of the environment and disregard for wildlife.
http://www.grizzlybay.org/SarahPalinInfoPage.htm
I also see no altruistic “servant of the people” or “reformer” in her record, just a lot of cynical political opportunism from another anti-science redneck. Another talking head who can act, i.e., read a speech, convincingly, with meager understanding (at best) of the issues involved.
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I think the hatred that defines the Left (which you see of course coming out from this pitiful woman) is due to the general unhappiness that Leftists characteristically exhibit/feel. (Conservatives tend to be ‘happier’ and ‘more content’ than leftists, according to studies I have seen in recent years).
The typical Leftists have essentially rejected the idea that people have an intrinsic value BECAUSE they are beings wonderfully made in the image of a much greater Absolute – independent of their environment.
To (most) Leftists (like this woman) people only have value when it is granted or bestowed by a group or a culture or a State; so human value is measured only in terms of political/Statist factors with no external meaning. And individuals really have NO value in such a belief system, or the rights and meaning and value of individuals are at best secondary and tenuous and merely derived from their group or type or condition. This sort of system results in a mental and spiritual self-imposed one-dimensional prison because a human being is primarily a spiritual being, like it or not.
And so this value system is essentially a sterile and meaningless wasteland – leads to self-loathing and then outward hatred to any who exhibits a break-out from that terrible self-defined prison.
And so the venom and loathing and fear you see directed at Palin or like targets (as shown in the header of this thread and elsewhere in the ‘establishment’ media) is truly pathetic.
It is really just a window into a tormented soul. And it is not exactly pretty to look through that window.
By no means are ALL leftists like this – some not at all, who manage, by hook and crook, to somehow integrate faith with leftist views.
But this woman, like so many others crawling out of the woodwork in the past few days, is a poster child for the discontent that ever gnaws at their spirits.
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One does truly does wonder whether the average Worldmag reader can really read or not. Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
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Why do women admire a person like Ms. Clinton who not only put up with a cheating husband for decades but she obtained her success because of him? In the same breath that are offended by Ms. Palin who appears to have a good, faithful husband.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
Well, not every name. I can’t recall anyone using the N word when talking about Obama.
But the idea that most of the vitriol that Obama experienced these past few months was coming from Hillary is just plain nuts.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
And I’m sure you have examples, Anlir?
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Interesting. I am disappointed that Obama is the nominee and will be very concerned if he becomes president, but “nauseated”? no.
On the other hand I guess it’s not right to judge someone else’s visceral reaction to nominee news. I’ve been running around with a silly grin on my face ever since Gov. Palin was picked.
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Whoo-hoo!
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Seriously Anlir, what names has Obama been called on this website?
Even if he been called “every name in the book” the comments would have been deleted.
So please give your most compelling example from post #15.
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KBells-
“Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.”
Check out this compilation of FOX NEWS for starters
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18 & 21 – are you guys serious?
Try Marxist, racist, bigot, appeaser, elitist, terrorist sympathizer, etc. And that’s just the first sentence of a typical Llama post about Obama.
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Llama may have used those words, NT, but I don’t recall him ever directing them specifically toward BHO. Got examples?
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Lumpy: You need to work on reading-comprehension a little more. The examples were asked of when those terms were used on THIS site, not on FOX News.
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“That is what Marxists do. Once people are old, blind and broke, Marxists put them in prison to die – even if they were never any trouble at all during their whole lives and meant no one any harm adn are completely innocent of the trumped up crimes they were charged with.
If Obama gets electd and you are not middle class or below, you will see Marxists in action here – for yourself – first hand.” Llama
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Obviously curse words are not allowed on Worldmag, but if they were I’m sure we’d see some pretty “colorful” stuff in regards to Obama.
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Obama has been called every name in the book on here (by folks who claim to love Jesus no less!).
Obviously curse words are not allowed on Worldmag, but if they were I’m sure we’d see some pretty “colorful” stuff in regards to Obama.
How to you reconcile these two statements of yours, Anlir? In one post you say he HAS BEEN CALLED ever name in the book, and in the other you are saying he was not?
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If I posted ALL the stuff I find it would make for a whole lot of scrolling and kill the thread
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I don’t think most people in the USA can trust this guy. He sounds too partisan and is probably a class warfare guy who hates everyone execpt Black middle classs Marxists or something. He certainly is too politically insane and dangerously narrow beamed. Presidents and their running mates are supposed to be for everyone not a few elitists like them. Posted by Llama #28 on
http://online.worldmag.com/2008/08/21/obama-has-picked-his-vp/
Yeah, no name calling here!
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But you don’t find all those descriptions used on this blog, Lumpy, so you can keep all those wacko cut-and-paste comments to yourself.
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Night Train #23 Well, let us see about Obama:
Marxist works, by his own admission (depending on the degree it stuck with him; Marxist-influenced would be a milder way of expressing it – but whatever, he admits to drawing himself to that, on purpose and deliberately).
He supported a racist bigoted minister whom he called his spiritual mentor for twenty years. Does that make him a racist or a bigot? Not to me. But to some it could, I think. To me it just makes him a supporter of a racist/bigot. Either really bad judgement or leaning that way himself.
Clinical description, no spin, there.
Terrorist sympathizer? Well, he got his political kickstart in the home of William Ayers and his wife, noted cop-killing bomb-throwing Underground Weathermen terrorists of past decades. Does that make him a terrorist sympathizer? At one time he was friends/associates/political allies with a known terrorist.
Now. All these things are just matters of record – you can always spin them up or away, as you wish. He was young, it was not serious, he was just snoozing in the pulpit, etc. Or maybe (if the Leftists on this blog were actually honest) you might even LIKE those things!
So there is nothing high-octance vitriol about those ‘labels’. Just hard facts – followed by partisan spin, one way or the other. The facts are pretty damning to me, but maybe not to you.
So, on the other side of the fence, if you want to call Palin a gun-toting, government-limiting, Christian, right-winger – why go ahead. All those could be supported. Pluses to me, by the way.
But, no, here we have the media engaged in photo-shopping and generating lewd pictures and made-up stories, attacking Palin personally, attacking and slandering her minor children, etc.
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Outkast-
Are you giving Anlir a hard time? After you wrote this today regarding abortion?
“It should be the mother’s decision, Lumpy. It’s called “freedom of choice.”
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Drill, please learn to read. When you get through Hooked on Phonics, get back to me, m’kay?
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Night Train: Thanks, you are right.
I missed the ‘elitist’ reference to Obama.
Well, he does exhibit elitism. For instance (one example only), he told a leftist audience in San Francisco that us average Americans ‘cling to our guns and our religion because we are bitter’, etc. That is pretty much textbook elitism.
Now, that could be okay – if you like the idea of elitism (the governance of the many by a priviledged few).
I don’t like it, i.e. I don’t like elitism, in any form.
Anyway, Night Train, good catch.
I forgot that ‘elitism’ was one of the things you had pointed out people had ‘accused’ Obama of.
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One more time, Victoria style:
Drill, please learn to read. When you get through Hooked on Phonics, get back to me, m’kay?
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Kbells, is #30 high octane enough for you?
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Night Train: MAN, you are right AGAIN!
THANKS, lad.
I forgot you listed ‘appeaser’ as one of the labels that have been used for Obama in your post #23!
I really am getting sloppy in my reading of your posts! Must be all those really little words you use; makes me careless.
Well, Obama is indeed an ‘appeaser’. He has suggested that Iran is ‘not dangerous’ and that he would talk to terrorist groups rather than fight them (at least as possible). Certainly that is ‘appeasement’. Could be a good thing, depending on your viewpoint. Or not.
Anyway, Night Train, you sure have been HELPFUL to me today!
Thanks!
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“But you don’t find all those descriptions used on this blog, Lumpy, so you can keep all those wacko cut-and-paste comments to yourself.”
Yes. I did, as a matter of fact. Shall I post all of them at once or let them trickle?
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Drill, I’m starting to understand why you feel such an affinity for Sarah Palin’s new baby.
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HSK: Keep it up, Warner, and half of America will make sure you’re unhappy come November.
We don’t know what kind of energy the record low-pressure system of American politics is going to generate by November. There’s a huge amount of information and raw emotion going into it, and the result can’t be predicted. I’m afraid this election will be extremely destructive of any future chance of a political understanding between the two Americas, red and blue.
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Drill not like elitist?
Then allow me to point out that Cindy McCain was wearing a couple of homes worth of elitist fashion at the RNC:
Oscar de la Renta dress: $3,000
Chanel J12 White Ceramic Watch: $4,500
Three-carat diamond earrings: $280,000
Four-strand pearl necklace: $11,000-$25,000
Shoes, designer unknown: $600
Total: Between $299,100 and $313,100
To be fair they have Michelle Obama’s wardrobe total too if you look at the link.
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Handsome is as handsome does. If Palin doesn’t submit to testing by the American political process, but holes up in Alaska to be prepped for stagey and scripted appearances designed to promote a persona rather than political program, then she really is as phony as people have a right now to presume now that she is, given the circumstances.
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I will tell you a name Obama is never called: left-wing.
Even though he is the most liberal member of the Senate he is rarely labeled.
Of course most conservatives are routinely called right-wing.
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Godlumps: Bet they both (Cindy McCain and Michelle Obama) smelled really good, too.
Better than Sarah Palin, anyway, after she gets finished gutting a moose she just single-handedly brought down with a pocket-knife and a rolling pin, all the while nursing a kid, kicking the behind of a deranged state trooper, running the Alaskan state government, and cooking a panful of really excellent applesauce-raisin muffins.
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Nick: I admit it. I have called Obama left-wing on any number of occasions, here and elsewhere. I am so ashamed. Do you think Obama will EVER forgive me?
Maybe he will if I give up my guns and my religion?
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It’s usually ‘leftist’ instead, is it not?
And drill, Ms. McCain would have that old lady smell. ick.
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Palin mum on endorsing Stevens
By Manu Raju
Posted: 09/05/08 03:28 PM [ET]
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin is not saying whether she will vote in November to send the indicted Ted Stevens back to the Senate for a seventh full term.
The indictment has put Sen. John McCain’s (R-Ariz.) running mate in a tricky position. If Palin endorses Stevens, it will appear that she is undermining her message of taking on the GOP establishment and cleaning up corruption in her state. But should the popular governor oppose his reelection, it could deliver a blow to Stevens’s campaign and give Democrats ammunition as they try to pick up one more Senate seat.
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I was surprised to learn more women tuned in to Obama’s speech than watched Palin’s. Would not have guessed that.
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FLASH: MCCAIN SPEECH BEATS OBAMA BY 500,000 VIEWS…
MCCAIN SPEECH 10-11:15PM
FOXNEWS 9.2 MILLION
NBC 8.7 MILLION
ABC: 6.0 MILLION
CBS: 5.3 MILLION
CNN 4.8 MILLION
MSNBC 2.5 MILLION
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Godlumps. Nah. McCain doesn’t smell like an old lady. They smell kind of nice, mothballs and lavender and all that, you know.
Old Navy aviators smell like the inside of a locker in a third-rate gym in a run-down neighborhood in South Side Chicago.
I should know. I knew a few.
Oh. I erred. Night Train would be distressed again.
Ever since Obama was an Assistant Community Organizer in South Side Chicago (how he got all his executive experience, you know), the place has become a PARADISE. There are no run-down neighborhoods or third-rate gyms in South Side anymore, thanks to Obama.
I think.
The Lord knows I want to be politically correct, here.
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Lord knows you tried, Corky. That’s the main thing.
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Thanks, Moe. I always try to do the main thing.
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Calm down, Victoria. McCain’s going to win. He’ll do absolutely nothing about abortion or gay marriage of course, but you’ll have a strong, accomplished, beautiful woman in the White House. And when they bring back the draft, and it includes women, be sure and tell your daughters as they head to boot camp that there’s nothing a woman can’t do, and it’s all about shattering glass ceilings.
Semper fi, mac.
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KBELLS: Give me an example high-octane vitriol towards Obama.
Palin treated Obama like a punching bag: “Al Qaeda terrorists still plot to inflict catastrophic harm on America, and he’s worried that someone won’t read them their rights.” Obama merely wants prisoners at Guantanamo, very few of whom are members of Al Qaeda, to have human rights and not to be tortured. McCain once wanted the same, but now as a Republican candidate lacks the guts to say so.
Huckabe belittled Obama as “symbolic.” He isn’t. There’s no way of knowing yet whether Palin is or isn’t, because our political system hasn’t tested her.
McCain questioned the patriotism of his opponents as “me first, country second” people. Among other false claims, he said Obama opposed nuclear power.
The worst vitriol is smear-by-implication. By using anger and derision, the Republicans are portraying Obama and the democrats as by nature unrepresentative of America. What’s so galling is that the Republican convention delegates were the richest and least diverse crowd you could ask for.
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You gotta admire the CCR’s claiming that they’ve never called Obama names on here. Jesus is so proud of them, no more so than when they denigrate Obama and then lie about it.
P.S. I call on Outkast to cease his personal attacks on me.
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Drill – (Conservatives tend to be ‘happier’ and ‘more content’ than leftists, according to studies I have seen in recent years).
Well ignorance is “bliss” after all –
Conservative happiness reminds me of a Nirvana song;
“Im so happy cause today
I’ve found my friends
They’re in my head …”
etc., etc.
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Oh, dear…
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#55 – yes – McCain was actually treated very respectfully at the DNC, but the RNC, and Palin’s speech especially, was best chracterized as a red meat market.
Giuliani looked and sounded like a total thug with a hall full of goons chanting in agreement. I think most Americans (excepting GOP delegates) were repulsed.
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#50 So more people watched the McCain speech eh? I think that’s probably good news for Obama, since it was given at best mediocre reviews and was panned as sleep-inducing by many.
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Here’s an interesting report. Conservatives are happier because they are less compassionate:
“Individuals with conservative ideologies are happier than liberal-leaners, and new research pinpoints the reason: Conservatives rationalize social and economic inequalities.”
http://www.livescience.com/health/080507-liberal-conservative.html
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Of course, all of this “happiness” research is based on self-descriptions, not any objective metric of happiness. Conservatives, perhaps, feel more obliged to describe themselves as happy. Whether they actually are or not has not been measured!
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Spin: But conservatives give far more to charity and were the ones who showed up in droves to help after Katrina, etc.
Hmmm.
But hate on, dude. Your panic is showing.
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But hate on, dude. Your panic is showing.
This line of response is so dumb – I hear it from Harrison (in this post) to OutKast and now Drill, whom I would have considered above it.
You guys show “righteous indignation” at the drop of a thread from a hat. But when anyone else suggests a possible problem with your ideological foregone conclusions, you start muttering about hate and panic, as if you’ve scored some kind of victory.
All this proves is that you hope to persuade not with reason or principle, but with intimidation and fear-mongering. But then, we knew that …
Hate on yourself, dude!
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Night Train
Gasp! Are you making fun of the Marines? If you continue, I regret to inform you that I’ll have to kick your behind. /silly pride off.
Spinoza
You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to us.
Anlir
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Asking for proof is not a personal attack. Of course, he could have asked nicely. I’ll do it for him. “My dear friend would you please produce some kind of backing for your claims?” (I’m practicing for debate team!
Godlumps
Do you have something against rich people? Is it against the law to be rich? I don’t have a problem with Mrs. McCain spending her money as she sees fit. Why do you?
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“Warner…a Times blogger who offers a critique of Sarah Palin that’s so patronizing and hateful, one has begun to feel sorry for her husband (Warner’s, not Palin’s).”
I used to think of Harrison as perhaps “the thinking WMB’er,” but that designation is wearing thin.
Assuming that because a woman issues a strong critique (or kritik, if you prefer) of Sarah Palin, that she is ALSO a nagging or vindictive harpy at home whom her husband resents (or at least has cause too) is ALSO patronizing and hateful.
This is why we don’t trust conservatives with feminism. They just don’t seem to be able to stop themselves from making sexists jokes while critiquing (or kritiking, if you prefer) all the “sexism” they are apparently victims of.
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But conservatives give far more to charity and were the ones who showed up in droves to help after Katrina, etc.
“Droves?” How many are “droves?” Did you actually count conservative vs liberal “droves?” Or is this just another instance of the above – you claim you’re more compassionate (and perhaps tell yourself you are), but what you really are is more insensitive to the poor in this country and better able to ignore problems.
As Barbara Bush said after Katrina:
“What I’m hearing, which is sort of scary, is they all want to stay in Texas. Everyone is so overwhelmed by the hospitality. And so many of the people in the arena here, you know, were underprivileged anyway, so this is working very well for them.”
Yes she thinks refugeehood works out well for the underprivileged. That’s her impression. Well it was a far cry from reality.
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Another thing, Spinoza.
Instead of saying how stupid Drill is, how about you refute his comments?
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Oh, cows, Spinoza, I’m sorry. *embarrassed face*
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Spinoza
You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to us.
Not true – they just say somethin’ different to me!!
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#68 – p.s. to OT – I actually think Drill is kinda smart, clever, and hilarious on occasion. Which is why I was disappointed to see him parrot Harrison/OUTKAST line that goes something like:
Made ya mad. Nanny Nanny Nanny. Gonna cry? Gonna squirt some?
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Now, see, NT, it’s this kind of stuff that is UNACCEPTABLE:
“Drill, I’m starting to understand why you feel such an affinity for Sarah Palin’s new baby.”
Keep the baby out of it.
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Lol to #70.
I disagree, however. But you and Drill sort it out. I don’t know enough on this topic to form an opinion.
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Keep the baby out of it.
Why? Clearly this is an “accident” baby – since Palin is 44, already has 4 kids, and kept the pregnancy a secret until it was no longer possible. Re Downs and “Why us?” The answer is that when you bear children at such a late age, it is much more likely. What does this say about the reproductive responsibility of this candidate? I’m there will be a wide variety of opinions, but why is discussion taboo?
What about Bristol’s baby. Off limits? Why? We’re seeing “abstinence only” education at work. Why shouldn’t we be allowed to discuss it? And what’s up with the shot-gun marriage? Such marriages have several times the divorce rate. The father is clearly not mature enough – “El-Jay” is a high school dropout whose obscenity-studded, macho-posturing My Space page was just taken down for obvious reasons (”I’m just a f… redneck”).
http://goodgirlroxie.blogspot.com/2008/09/myth-of-palin-family.html
Would you let your daughter date this guy? Is Sarah really “multi-tasking” well here? Or just ignoring family? Are we not allowed to ask this because some wouldn’t ask it about a man? Can’t we ask:
Ms. Palin, what exactly has the GOP done lately to ensure that all of America’s pregnant teenagers who haven’t yet reached the age of consent have all the resources they will need to provide for their unintended babies; to obtain the prenatal care they will need to bring a healthy baby into the world; to have access to qualified medical care both during and after delivery; to have the support they will need to continue with their educations while parenting as youngsters, so that they do not join the ranks of America’s severely impoverished single-parent households; to have financial assistance for child care and pre-school, to give young parents much-needed breaks from both the rigors of caring for infants and young children as well as to allow them to pursue job-training or high school/college educations?
As soon as somebody tells me not to talk about something, I figure it must be very interesting!
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I don’t know enough on this topic to form an opinion.
Conservatives form opinions first and then select only pieces of information that support their view.
You must be a liberal –
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Spin, there’s thousands of women who become pregnant after 45, ON PURPOSE – When’s the last time you checked with your OB/GYN?
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LUKE I used to think of Harrison as perhaps “the thinking WMB’er,” but that designation is wearing thin.
Conservatives have a gift for thinking with their gut (like their adored hero Bush) and Harrison is nakedly derisive, resentful and gloating:
“gentle invective”
“one has begun to feel sorry for her husband (Warner’s, not Palin’s)”
“Keep it up, Warner, and half of America will make sure you’re unhappy”
This isn’t thinking, it’s vociferating. In truth, HSK’s constant theme is the unbecoming emotions of liberals and their reaction to the punishments he imagines they will bring upon themselves. More compulsion than theme, actually.
Unlike some conservatives, Harrison doesn’t have a word of criticism for the humorless, uncivil, cowardly, angry, disrespectful carnival of animalia that was the Republican convention. Take for example, the cross-dressing, marching mayor of New York accusing Obama of looking down his nose at little places which are not sufficiently “cosmopolitan” (to have gay pride parades, presumably). For example, the $400 million buyout tycoon and Massachusetts governor denouncing the Eastern “elites.”
Is “community organizer” an inherently derisible role in the body politic? Are commercial and religious entrepreneurs by contrast so admirable?
Many evangelicals have to think the way they do to do the work they have to do, and carry their sincere beliefs like a cross. What motivates HSK to act the junk yard dog, I don’t know.
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How does this sound to you, Spinny? What if I said the following:
I watched the Obama speech, and I was surprised because that was the second time I saw a ten year old in a dress that didn’t have much of a top to it. I thought Obama’s oldest daughter was being sexed up. Is that what they want for their daughter? Is that the image they want to project onto little girls?
Or, I could say, boy they didn’t teach that seven year old not to interrupt adults when they’re speaking. How rude. And Michelle had no control over her daughter up there on that stage. What kind of a mother doesn’t teach her child to behave in public? A bad mother. Did you notice that Sarah Palin’s daughter didn’t interrupt?
If I said those things, I would be a terrible person, because I know better. I would be a mean person for picking on little children. I would be crass. It was hard even trying to think something up as an illustration.
You can make all the excuses you want, but it is possible to talk about abstinence only and disabled children without EVER mentioning the Palin children.
But it’s not in you to do that.
And Luke called us the misogynists? Your hatred for this female Republican is appalling. You complain about a woman having a baby at 44 and you call yourself pro-choice? You’re the one telling women what to do with their bodies, not us. Sarah Palin’s sex life is none of your business.
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Worst of all, HSK misunderstands Warner’s column
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NJLAWYER: Keep the baby out of it.
Gotcha! There are two of them, by your count. One baby and one fetus, by mine. BTW, were you aware that network news and cable news didn’t touch the story about Bristol’s pregnancy until after the McCain campaign put out a press release?
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Well he usually does. But what he doesn’t understand is usually good reading, so I appreciate him for the quality of his links at least.
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#23 Night Train,
I call it like I see it. There is no question that I have called Obama a Marxist because he is one. I called you an anti Semite because you are one. See how that works? Here is an example, If Obama an you were fish, I would call you fish.
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Scroopy, I was talking about the Down Syndrome baby and referring to the comment ““Drill, I’m starting to understand why you feel such an affinity for Sarah Palin’s new baby.”” I was not talking about a fetus at all when I posted “keep the baby out of it.”
I’ve been watching the network news, and it’s interesting the way the eyes roll and the “shocked” expressions, indeed, the condemning expressions are okay with people like you. This went on for DAYS. See my post above to Spinny. I now address it to you, too. Typical double standard of the leftys.
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#27 Anlir,
Why do you think that people would curse here if they could? Do you think that you would? I don’t think Christians would do so. We know all to well that our true character when no one is watching – not when they are. You misunderstand Christians completely as your post shows it. Most of your posts point to your ignorance and intolerance of Christians – a bad combination. They are erroneous assumptions that lead to bad and false conslusions. But sadly, they also lead to bigotry and hatred. Why hate that much?
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A lot of people on the right do express bad sentiments regarding Obama. But they aren’t the staff of the MSM working on the air or in their employers’ print space.
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#42 GODLUMPS,
I am happy that Cindy McCain and her family have been successful enough in business, hiring many hundreds, even thousands of others over the many years, of others by the way. That she can afford such things – they were well earned. I also am glad she doesn’t feel like she needs to hide her wealth or is ashamed of it. There is no reason to be. Palin didn’t have any of those things but to me she looked a lot better – probably because she was younger seems smarter and old men always seem to like younger women if they are smart for some reason.
Your reaction to Cindy Mccain’s wealth says it all. Lefties hate rich people. They are afraid of them and their pride and ego takes hold of them and makes them say stupid things like you did and do quite often. Fear, pride and ego will make you fail all the time and if I were you I would search deep and long to find out why you can’t afford the things Cindy McCain has earned the right to have and show proudly. You could too if you were more like her. She is a fantastic role model for anyone who wants to be successful at anything. So is Palin and they are very different when it comes to wealth but, when it comes to character, they are kindred sisters. You are just a weak sister in the character attribute regard, with your small, petty and weak mind full of false cheap shots and lacking logic.
Your lack of self control and shame only means, like all whack jobs, you will never be satisfied no matter how much money or success you have because you want it too much and do not realize that it has no value and nothing worth owing can be bought with it. But the things worth owning cannot be bought no matter how much money you have.
But, you can still be saved if you change your ways and do the right things rather than saying the wrong ones. Try or try not makes no difference. You must do to succeed if you do the right things. If you keep acting the way you do, the only thing you will be good at is being a whack job. No one would wish that on anyone.
Normally I charge lefties for this advice but take it as my being generous – the greatest of all character attributes to have.
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#56 Anlir,
I only see him describing you as you are and he is really going pretty easy on you if you ask me. You guys got to get a thicker skin or people will think lefties are appeasing woosies and surrender monkey cry babies. No man or woman wants to be that.
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Llama: Your reaction to Cindy Mccain’s wealth says it all. Lefties hate rich people.
Well wait a minute .. isn’t one of the criticisms of Obama, and the Clintons, and Kerry, and Gore, that they’re all too rich to understand the common people?
Make up your mind.
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#65 Opinionated teen,
Spinoza
You’re just jealous because the voices only talk to us.
Move to the head of the class OT and consider yourself an honorary llama in good standing from now on. The designation comes with invisible ink, and cool secret decoder ring and a secret handshake that is hard for humans to do with all those fingers that get in the way. It also comes with other more important stuff but these things will be revealed to you on your first trip to Llamadom. But, for now you need to get a fine education. Work hard at it and the world will be your oyster ….eeeerrrr….. I mean your llama of course which is way better than being a bi-valve if you discount the very nice shells they have.
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Jon Stewart on the gender card: a great video no longer available on youtube due to Viacom’s copyright is still on the daily show website
http://tinyurl.com/65d7wv
the best is Dick Morris complaining about sexism in the media which is immediately followed by clips of Morris during the primary calling Hilary a whiner who plays the gender card.
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I highly recommend the Daily Show rip on the pundits: http://www.thedailyshow.com/video/index.jhtml?videoId=184086&title=sarah-palin-gender-card
The final seconds of the video even document Palin herself saying how she hates when women “whine” about scrutiny.
Basic population numbers for reference:
Alaska: 670,053 (2006)
Philadelphia: 1.4M (2006)
Wasilla: 5,500 (2000) – 9,800 (2008 estimate)
But, heh, if it is good for big oil who cares how much real experience she has…looks are way more important than actual substance anyway.
Here are some possible sound bites:
“Vote for Palin! She can’t be worse than Cheney.”
“Stop accidental gun discharge: Vote for Palin for VP”
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#76 Victoria,
If my brother can be daddy at age 54 by having his sperm surgically harvested (Due to a previous vasectomy and spend at least an additional $35,000 going through several rounds of in vitro fertilization for a 26 year old wife, then a woman can get pregnant when ever she wants no matter what any whack job says about it. I’m with you on this one.
It’s not our business, regardless of our claims otherwise, and we have better things to waste our time on like making home made Hurricanes and getting snookered in a hurricane.
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#79 Scroopy,
Worst of all is that HSK has to put up with a llama all over him like white on rice for his odd ideas adn imprecise logic. He is much like you come to think of it. I hope he doesn’t think i am insulting him since I have asked him if he is a closet whack job with his infatuation with lefty reading materials and blogging sites. He spends time on the DailyKOS I bet – just like you do too.
You two need to kiss and make up. Isn’t that what lefty men do?
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#88 SteveG,
We don’t care if they are rich – not in the least. We care if they are hypocritcal about it, are ashamed of their success or say that we need to do something they won’t do, ot they say other rich people are evil because they are successful conservatives.
Nice try though.
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I see Godlumps appears to have lost her lumps.
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“Well wait a minute .. isn’t one of the criticisms of Obama, and the Clintons, and Kerry, and Gore, that they’re all too rich to understand the common people?”
No. Personal wealth has never had anything to do with what conservatives mean by elitism. Nor is it a condemnation of any actual elite, people of energy, intellect, and courage, who create and produce things of beauty and value.
The elitism we decry is the opiate of the leftist, so sure of his towering intellect and moral arete that he presses on with every fiber of his being into the teeth of truth, vision still distorted by an economic lens that has been relegated to the scrap heap of history. It is the sneering condescension toward us “mouth breathing troglodytes” by the highly self-regarding and self-anointed custodians of what’s really best for the rest if only we were smart enough to vote for them. The sort of clueless solipsism that says things like “bitter people clinging to their guns and religion.” For more examples of this unjustified intellectual snobbery and moral preening see posts: 13,15,34,57,75,77 or anything by Godlumps.
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Anlir and others: Can you say “Moral Equivalency”? Liberals and conservatives both do it, but liberals seem worse. Anything good and positive about Palin has to be spun as wrong. Anyhing negative and true about Obama is labeled “meaan-spirited.”
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…but liberals seem worse.
Let me guess – you’re a conservative, right?
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Yes, I know how to spell “mean”–but my left little finger likes to muddy things.
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Most thing on the left tent to screw things up, Doug.
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“things”
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“tend” grrrr
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Am I too late, my friends?
I forgot to tell you John Bush was a POW.
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90/91 – OMG – excellent!!!!
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fwiw, and on the original topic: Warner has been rather roundly mocked in times past by the “liberal” blogosphere for writing. Her voice is rather distinct, and so its difficult to generalize into something more broadly held.
Given some of the comments above like Ken [96], the theme of conservative resentment (see P Krugman in Friday’s NYT) would also seem to be a suitable topic. Does Palin’s sneering attacks indicate a certain bent in the conservative character, independent of the facts?
Myself, a lot of the grief could have been avoided if Palin had gotten a decent haircut, like the ones working women in the lower 48 get. When in Rome, etc.
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Llama – 92
Llama,
Well here goes – my dad was a lot older than my mom, he became a father at age 51, (I’m not the first) no health problems with the infant, however I did have some problems myself, that kid needed to be straightened out on a regular basis, LOL – all kidding aside, that child, my wonderful brother is one SMART GUY – there are many fathers and mothers who are having kids at an older age – the kids are very healthy – By the way, my mom was over-joyed and my father was beside himself, it was one of my happiest memories as a little girl.
Having children is nobody’s business but the parents -
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Well folks, pot meet kettle. Truth is that there is plenty of invective on both sides. So one side accusing the other is well, just funny and ironic.
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Why? Clearly this is an “accident” baby – since Palin is 44, already has 4 kids, and kept the pregnancy a secret until it was no longer possible. Re Downs and “Why us?” The answer is that when you bear children at such a late age, it is much more likely. What does this say about the reproductive responsibility of this candidate? I’m there will be a wide variety of opinions, but why is discussion taboo?
Since they are married adults I assume they were using some kind of birth control, which only proves that the best birth control in the world can fail. That is what abstinence only education has been trying to tell you people for decades.
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#108 – Your concluding sentence is odd. Abstinence is the birth control that does not fail. Besides, since Todd and Sarah are married, I’m assuming abstinence would not be their birth control of choice.
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Of course abstinence is not the birth control of choice for a married couple, ML. That’s why Todd and Sarah were obviously using another form of birth control, which (as KBells stated in post 108) obviously failed. Hence, proving that birth control (that is, what the Left refers to as “birth control,” which for them never seems to include abstinence) does not work.
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Which is why I think the mental process and conclusion so odd. The fact that *other* forms of birth control fail does not support the position that abstinence only education is wrong.
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Lump Peggy Noonan… do[es]n’t like her either.
In an article in today’s Wall Street Journal led by, Sarah Palin killed. And more than killed. Peggy Noonan is very upbeat about this phenomenal VP candidate including:
What she did in terms of the campaign itself was important. No one has ever really laid a glove on Obama before, not in this campaign and maybe not in his life. But Palin really damaged him. She took him square on, fearlessly, by which I mean in part that she showed no awkwardness connected to race, or racial history. A small town mayor is kind of like a community organizer only you have actual responsibilities. He wrote two memoirs but never authored a major bill. They’ve hauled the Styrofoam pillars back to the Hollywood lot.
…By the end, Democrats knew they had been dinged, and badly. After the speech they descended on cable news en masse with the dart-eyed, moist-browed look of the operative who doesn’t believe his talking points.
Truth to be told the Democratic establishment knows well that Sarah Palin has become a spark plug that has given the McCain campaign a major boost and even showed the way to the future for the Republican party. The liberal media flacks including Judith Warner are reacting to this with high-octane vitriol [thanks HSK] that most of the public has caught onto.
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Sorry the link to the WSJ Noonan article is Here.
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Sorry again, the real link is Here
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Ken #96
So its not that Democratic leaders are too rich but they are too smart?
Outkast #100
Most thing on the left tent to screw things up, Doug.
Irony is my friend.
Spnoza #104
If you like that Stewart video; try last nights before Viacom rips it off youtube.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HafijVKr1zA
Playing Bush’s 2000 speech parallel to McCain in 2008 was brillant.
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Peter
you must have missed the clip in which the microphone was accidentally left on and Noonan just ripped into Palin;
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CrG8w4bb3kg
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I am 44. My husband and I don’t use birth control. (I know, TMI.)
But, the point is that I could still get pregnant. It hasn’t happened, mind you, but it could. If it did, we’d have the baby.
So, people need to stop assuming what other people do or do not do at various ages.
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No, Peter didn’t miss that, HRW.
TRS: Mindy and I don’t use any either, and don’t plan to have another baby because in six years all three of our kids will be out of high school and we plan to then retire. My wife is only 31 right now so she could very easily have another child (or 2 or 3), but we leave that up to the Lord (and using “common sense” in regard to certain cycles).
I too think it’s strange that people are so judgmental of Governor Palin’s “right to choose” to have a baby at her age.
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ML 1902, 109 & 11, Maybe the reason my post is confusing is that I forgot to say that the first part of my post is a quote from post #74 by spinoza. Sorry.
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I agree with TRS’s post about making assumptions. I doubt any of you truly know whether or not the Palins used birth control, and I don’t know why it is even being discussed. It’s none of anybody’s business. I was very surprised to come back here and read these posts. As my niece used to say when she was five: “who cares, who really cares?”
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For an excellent takedown of a liberal “reporter” check out Newt Gingrich in:
Newt takes on MSNBC regarding Gov. Palin’s Experience.
Newt makes the salient point in spades that Sarah Palin actually has proven government experience and accomplishment while Obama has none. At the end of it Newt asks the reporter for a single example of Obama’s accomplishment, at which point the fellow departed quickly from the scene.
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“Elitism” is an attitude. But to use a more common term, it’s downright snobbery that I’m picking up from many of my acquaintances on the left. Vitriol doesn’t even begin to describe the ugliness that’s out there over this nomination.
They sneer and they snipe (especially the supposed smart feminists among them), ridiculing Palin as some kind of hick who just stumbled out of the trailer park, her with with her hokey, out-of-date hairdo and (gasp!) FIVE children, no less. Ewww, and did you get a load of those glasses she wears? Sniff-sniff.
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Palin can’t survive subpoenas, press conferences, and aggressive sit-down interviews.
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I live in a small town. I like and admire my fellow townspeople. Sarah Palin is nauseating.
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(#123): Will she “survive”? I don’t know, I don’t make predictions like those about US elections, although one thing I’ve heard over and over about Palin is that she’s consistently “underestimated” by her political foes.
We can all individually hope that either she does or doesn’t survive the process, I suppose. But the bottom line is that we’ll all have to just wait and see.
I wouldn’t venture a guess on how this election will turn out.
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Donna J – we should assume that she refuses testing because she’s dirty and unprepared. According to Republican logic, my neighbor, Ruby, has more experience to be president because she was mayor of my town for 16 years. Thus, Sarah Palin is better qualified than Abraham Lincoln, JFK, LBJ, and John McCain himself. Meanwhile, high-power lawyers are in Alaska shutting down investigations. Nauseating.
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We’ll see.
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The new patriarchy seems to be the feminist elites. If you don’t toe the (liberal) feminist line, they will use every form of shame and chauvinism to put non-conforming women back in their place.
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Scroopy, her lawyer is deposing witnesses, he’s not shutting anything down. Rather, he’s trying to speed it up.
Mac, you hit the nail on the head!
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Newt Gingrich defending Sarah Palin? Oh, that’s rich. Another leading Republican and hero of the CCR’s who cheated on his wife, served her with divorce papers while she was in the hospital getting treatment for cancer, and married his mistress. A man who carried on is own extra-marital affair while thundering from the House floor about Bill Clinton’s dalliances. Are moral hypocrisy, adultery and divorce mandatory to be a Republican leader now?
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Donna J. How badly do you want to see Palin stand up to inquiry, or do you want her to stonewall, hide, and be a persona?
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So far they’re hiding Sarah from the press. No doubt they’re coaching her and trying to educate her on all the things she doesn’t know jack about. She’s got less than a month to get ready for her debate with Biden. This should be interesting.
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I absolutely welcome a vigorous examination of Palin, so long as it’s fair.
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Sarah Palin has refused for a week to answer questions or be interviewed by the press. The McCain/Palin campaign just announced that it will be at least 2 more weeks before she will answer any questions. Why is she hiding? What is she hiding?
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Bush’s people need to teach her foreign affairs. So she’s cramming for the exam.
http://tinyurl.com/5z3ojp
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Apparently Palin needs to learn about McCain’s platform before she can meet the press. Six months after McCain wins the nomination he picks a VP running mate who knows nothing about him and isn’t prepared to meet the press.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2AV_54517R8
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#115 – Priceless!!!
#135/136 – This certainly demolishes the myth of Palin as “Reformer.” Where she has opinions, they are either mainline Bush (the Iraq war is God’s will) or contradict her previous actions (earmarks). But for the most part, she is a tabula rasa upon which “former Bush Aides” will make carbon copies of their 8-yo play book. I can think of NO choice that could better guarantee continuity with the last 8 years!
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p.s. And the McCain’s RNC shows he is also a maverick no longer, but has been swallowed up by the same political machine that produced “Dubya”.
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Donna J. So far there’s been no examination of Sarah Palin herself. She doesn’t take questions. You are defending a candidate you don’t know. This is a hard thing to do. Lucky for McCain, Christian conservatives have instantly adopted her as the incarnation of the future of their movement.
Based on everything we know, Christians have adopted Richard M. Nixon with lipstick (read: liar).
Palin’s withdrawal from the press shows that she is a high-energy diversion from John McCain. Her job is to disrupt the Democratic campaign and cause the candidates to lose focus so that McCain can score some points which he otherwise couldn’t. Obama and Biden must stay concentrated on McCain.
Meanwhile other Democrats have to expose the lies, in order to provide the background music that will let Biden eventually say the following: “Some people argue that Palin is Nixon with lipstick. That’s sexist. But does appear she has a problem answering questions about the truth. For example, according to ANLIR . . .”
ANLIR and like-minded bloggers have an urgent task of creating a climate of opinion about Palin’s lies. American voters are politically ignorant, and the Republicans could very easily succeed at using Palin as an agitator to divert Democrats from their winning game.
Palin will eventually appear before Charlie Gibson, Brit Hume, or Larry King and do just fine, because she’s whip smart and the press is hardly ever aggressive or incisive. She’ll burn up several news cycles before the event and another afterwards. She’ll answer anticipated questions in a highly entertaining manner.
ANLIR will still have to undermine the propaganda and expose the lies.
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Dang – it looks like I’m gonna be busy on here the next two months.
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#140 – Well, as HRW noted, be glad you have John Stewart to help:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TGCRncVOkS0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NYNfJ9SabFU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HafijVKr1zA
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ANLIR — if we can’t put our faith in The Lord to bring forth the truth about Palin, at least we have the National Enquirer besides Comedy Central. Elitist evangelicals will sneer, but borderer evangelicals might take warning. The Enquirer could do for Palin’s and McCain’s secrets what it did for Gary Hart’s girlfriend, Rush Limbaugh’s painkillers, and John Edward’s love child.
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Ever since God changed Her voter registration from Independent to Republican, I’ve been very leery of relying on Her to bring forth the truth. Thank goodness, Comedy Central was willing to step into the breach!
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The left has become thoroughly spooked by Sarah Palin and is desparately trying to come up with dirt on her. So far, they have struck out. Moth on this thread is reduced to an unsubstantiated rumor reported in the National Enquirer about an alleged affair that she had. So far, after many swings, the left keeps striking out. The truth is that Sarah Palin has energized the conservative right and will be very effective convincing independents that McCain/Palin, both with proven experience and accomplishments, offer the best chance for real change in the future.
Meanwhile McCain supporters may be sure that St. Obama’s rather damaging relations with Ayers, Rezco, and Wright are well established and in the long run, aong with his socialist and weak national security tendencies, will cost him the election.
Palin is bringing out the best from the Republicans and the worst from the Democrats. As Outkast would say, Woohoo!
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“Struck out”?? First of all, she hasn’t even been vetted by the American people. She’s in hiding and refusing to answer any questions.
Second of all, there are many questionable things in her life that are actively being discussed and checked out as we speak. None of the issues have been “put to bed” yet. A quick check of the net, newspapers, magazines, talk shows, and water coolers all over America will put that lie to rest.
The Republicans are attempting to tell the American people to “trust us” on Sarah Palin. Well, after the disaster of the last 8 years, we’re no idiots. There is no trust left.
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Look, Palin needs to be subject to fair public scrutiny, she needs to be accessible to reporters (and I see ABC has now inked an interview with her, hopefully the first of many to come with other media outlets). But honestly, some of that feeding fenzy we witnessed last week was simply out of bounds (to put it kindly).
There’s probably a lot more we can — and should — learn about Palin (and Obama, by the way). And as this process moves forward, as it inevitably will, I trust that most Americans can differentiate between unsubstantiated rumors and legitimate news stories and issues that need to be more deeply considered.
I just think it’s important for all of us to take a breath, tone down the anger & over-the-top rhetoric a bit, stay clear of the sleezy personal attacks, and just stay tuned. To be continued.
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Paliin is not hiding. The McCain campaign is planning some Town Meetings for her, so that the people rather than the media vultures will ask her questions. In due course, she will be well prepared to face the liberal media who are just now in vulture mode. Sooner or later they will need to get a grip.
Meanwhile, check out the debunking of the assorted sixty-nine Palin Rumors including:
#27 No, she wasn’t named as a co-respondent in a divorce; there’s no evidence she had an affair with her husbands’ business partner. The partner tried to have his divorce records sealed because he was being harrassed by journalists who used them to get his phone number.
#67 Yes, Todd Palin did have a DUI. Twenty-two years ago. Get a grip.
# 68 No, Sarah Palin’s brother isn’t in jail. No matter what the commenter at Anderson Cooper’s page says. (Thanks to Galynn in comments.)
#69 Yes, Sarah Palin’s pastor apparently does believe that gays can “repent” and be cured of homosexuality. No, believe it or not, even fundamentalist Christians don’t have to believe every litle thing their pastor believes. Yes, Palin seems to be more libertarian about this.
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Sorry for the Mispelling of Palin above.
Also, the link above doesn’t seem to work.
Try:
http://explorations.chasrmartin.com/2008/09/06/palin-rumors/
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When you spring a surprise on the American people two months before an election and put forward an unknown person to be Vice President, naturally there’s going to be a mad scramble to find out who they are. Yes, it has been kind of frenzied over the last week, but with so little time left (early voting starts in a few weeks), the media is doing it’s best to find out who she is. McCain and Palin should have been prepared for this. Instead they’re hiding her from the media. That’s a bad sign. It’s like when a movie studio doesn’t do a pre-screening of their movie for the movie critics. It almost always means they’ve got a “bomb” on their hands.
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What the McCain/Palin campaign is trying to do is script her appearances. By putting her in “town hall” meetings where only backers of the McCain/Palin ticket will be permitted, and the questions friendly and pre-screened, they’re attempting to shield her from the hard questions that the American people deserve answers to.
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Has an evangelical blogger on this site yet defended Palin’s claims about refusing the Bridge to Nowhere? Or McCain’s claim that Palin sold the famous Alaska jet on E-Bay for a profit?
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Palin, in her acceptance speech, looked straight into the camera and said to the American people (in reference to the state plane) “I sold it on e-bay”. Yet she knew it wasn’t true. Have we got another Dick Cheney on our hands?
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Anlir: You make a valid point in saying the media was naturally scrambling to find out everything they could about Palin on short notice. In many ways, it’s the nature of the beast.
Sadly, along with all the good that’s come out of the explosion of new Internet media sites, from the reliable to the notoriously unreliable, mainstream outlets (now with their own minute-by-minute competitive web sites) are having to compete. Sometimes, stories are published or posted that perhaps haven’t been checked & cross-checked like they should.
Some of this is easily chalked up to sheer competitiveness in a media environment that’s been vastly changed over the past several years.
But that being said, there’s another dynamic at work here. Most reporters are liberal. Polls and studies over the decades have confirmed this many times over, of course, but I say that primarily based on my own experience and observations from working in newspaper journalism for a long time now. There is very little ideological diversity in most newsrooms.
So there’s a natural suspicion (that’s not entirely unwarranted) among many conservatives that the news media slants left. While most journalists I’ve known (at least those of us from the old school) make the professional effort to “detach” ourselves and set partisanship aside, some don’t (or can’t). And I’m afraid the new media environment, which too often resembles a partisan free-for-all, is making the ideal of journalistic neutrality increasingly challenging. Media bias does exist — but sometimes readers also wrongly perceive legitimate tough coverage as “bias,” unfortunately because the overall liberal pattern has been so recognized.
And so: From the conservative viewpoint, the MS media that had been so transparently enthralled with the Obama phenomenon was more than eager to find and dish the dirt on Palin — a very articulate, talented conservative who had unexpectedly just upset the apple cart of this election.
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Moth, Palin as governor did after all formally turn down the Bridge to Nowhere pork earmark based on a change of view on the subject. Basically, as governor, she saw that this infamous and other earmark projects were becoming an embarrasment to the state and, well before McCain took an intrest in her, she changed her position on earmarks, much to the dismay of the Alaskan political establishment.
On the plane issue, my understanding is that Palin offered the plane for sale on e-Bay three times but bidders didn’t meet the reserve price. She eventually turned to a broker, who sold the plane to businessman Larry Reynolds, of Valdez, for $2.1 million, in August 2007. McCain was mistaken on a technical point but not on the essential of the matter.
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Donna J,
What about the conservative media, which is no slouch? I mean, you’ve got talk radio sewn up tighter than a drum, you’ve got your own 24-hour network devoted to the Republican Party (Faux News), conservative “celebrities” like Rush and Hannity, plus innumerable magazines and websites. Methinks the conservatives doth protest too much.
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It wasn’t just McCain who was mistaken on the “e-bay” thing. Sarah said the words “I sold it on e-bay” in her acceptance speech on national TV.
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I would argue that Fox and other ‘conservative’ media emerged out of what was a felt necessity to offer something different.
Americans today have a diversity of media from which to choose, a far cry from the days when the only choice was to sit and watch NBC, CBS and ABC evening news. In many ways this is a very good thing.
But the challenge for Americans now becomes one of discernment, being able to separate fact from fiction, agenda-driven reporting vs. a more detached (but fair and tough, to BOTH sides) approach.
And then voters can make up their own minds.
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Anlit, Palin in her speech said that …I put it on EBay not that she “sold” it there. Since she did sell it for 2.1 $million after all, you’re reduced to making not only a wrong but a rather nitpicking point.
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Palin has agreed to be interviewed by Charlie Gibson later this week.
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DONNA J: Look, Palin needs to be subject to fair public scrutiny
Your second use of the qualifier, “fair.” I happen to think that unfair scrutiny is better for democracy than no scrutiny. After all, what’s fair in politics? Donna J., would you say that what was fair for Hilllary should be fair for Sarah?
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/09/05/AR2008090502656.html
But honestly, some of that feeding fenzy we witnessed last week was simply out of bounds (to put it kindly).
The astute Roger Simon on Politico apologized to Palin:
http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0908/13143.html
Please don’t fall for evangelical victimization, Donna J. We’ve seen evangelical bloggers here repeatedly unable to quote smears against Sarah Palin and her family by media outlets. The fact is, the media haven’t given her any excuse for not answering the toughest questions they have.
As I predicted above, Richard M. Nixon in lipstick will go up before the formidable Charlie Gibson. How terrified the McCain campaign must be!
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She sold the plane through a broker for a $600,000 loss to the State of Alaska, and it wasn’t on e-bay. Do we really want her in Washington with that kind of financial wizardry?
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Anlir, she most likely put it on e-bay first and then when it didn’t sell, she put it through a broker – Not to hard to figure out, its done all the time.
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No victims here. As I’ve said before, she’ll have to answer plenty of questions along the way, as she should. And then the voters will decide.
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Another example of Sarah Palin’s great financial wizardry: As mayor, she left her little town of Wassila with it’s largest deficit by far. What is it with Republicans and their love of deficits?
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My border collies are telling me it’s time to go to the dog park. Campaign or no campaign, dogs gotta run.
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Palin sold the plane at a loss, with questionable financial benefit to Alaska. A loss is not technically the same as a profit, pumpkin. Alaska used the plane heavily to transport “outsourced” prisoners to the lower 48, and still needs to pay for aircraft flight hours.
Unfortunately, PUMPKIN, your deceitful misdirection about the bridge to nowhere amounts to lying. Gov. Palin thought she was doing a good job when she was getting pork for Alaska. She tried to get as much as she could while Republicans controlled Congress. In Sept. 2006 she went to Nowhere and smilingly held up a sweatshirt that said “NOWHERE ALASKA 99901″ and told a forum there: “OK, you’ve got Valley trash [herself] standing here in the middle of nowhere. I think we’re going to make a good team as we progress that bridge project.” Running for governor she bragged about her support forall of the proposed bridges to nowheres in Alaska (there were two others besides). Palin cancelled the Ketchikan bridge in late 2007 after Congress had turned the earmark into a joke. Nevertheless, she kept the money and persisted in defending the justification for the bridge against “inaccurate portrayals of the projects here.” Her office said she cancelled the bridge because of “perceptions” that Alaska was piggy for pork. Those are not the words of a budget hawk she falsely portrays herself to be.
Up until the forced cancellation, Sarah Palin did her best to out-pig anyone else in the porkiest state of the union.
You’re lying, Peter.
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Some of you people seriously need to get a hobby.
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Scroopy wrote: “I happen to think that unfair scrutiny is better for democracy than no scrutiny.”
So, one wonders why we hear all the objections to scrutinizing Obama!
He also writes: “As I predicted above, Richard M. Nixon in lipstick will go up before the formidable Charlie Gibson. How terrified the McCain campaign must be!”
You know, you are the same guys who mocked this woman before her speech and she prevailed there, so I don’t think we’re all that terrified.
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Anlir wrote of Palin: “Second of all, there are many questionable things in her life that are actively being discussed and checked out as we speak.”
There are many questionable things in Obama’s life and no one checking them out. The MSM already knows them and is keeping them on the QT.
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Moth, when she was the mayor of Wasilla and a candidate for governor she felt and argued that it was in the town’s and state’s interest to take advantage of earmarks. When she became governor and the question of earmarks became an acute national issue, she saw that Alaska was in a wrong, embarassing position and changed her view. She formally turned down the Bridge to Nowhere and took severe criticism from the Alaskan political establishment for this. She changed her view well before McCain took an interest in her.
The Hot Air blog put the matter as follows:
She changed her mind, [her spokesman] said, when “she saw that Alaska was being perceived as taking from the country and not giving, and that impression bothered her and she wants to change it. … I think that Sarah Palin is someone who has the courage to reevaluate situations as they developed.”…
McAlister said he was unaware of the details of Wasilla’s earmarks. But, he added, “As mayor of the city, her charge was very different than it is now. She’s obviously taking a much broader look at things as governor.”
You in a rather typically crude way may call this a “lie;” I should say it’s a valid point of view. Another of your risible crudities is the Nixon with lipstick bit. I know it’s difficult to find your gaseous and thinly accomplished candidate under effectively withering criticism from this able lady, though you would do well to get a grip on the reality that she has energized the conservative base in this campaign and bids fair to swing a plethora of independent voters to McCain. The polls are already making this clear.
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Kwerna (#167): Yes, hobbies and decaf!
Playing fetch with border collies always makes the world seem a lot better to me.
That and knowing that God still reigns, no matter who wins or loses this election.
Rejoice.
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She changed her mind, [her spokesman] said, when “she saw that Alaska was being perceived as taking from the country and not giving, and that impression bothered her and she wants to change it. … I think that Sarah Palin is someone who has the courage to reevaluate situations as they developed.”…
So you would characterize her as a flip-flopper? She voted for it before she voted against it? In 2008 is it good or bad to be a flip-flopper? I always forget which years it is bad.
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It is entirely laughable to claim that Obama hasn’t been or isn’t currently being “checked out”!! First of all, the McCain/Palin campaign has a full-time “war room” that is going through his life with a fine-toothed comb for even a hint of wrong doing. Second, there’s also all of the “under-cover” RNC groups that are checking him out. Thirdly, one can find information posted on here daily about every facet of his life (good and bad).
Gov. Palin, on the other hand, is being hid from the media and the vetting of the American people.
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When she became governor and the question of earmarks became an acute national issue, she saw that Alaska was in a wrong, embarassing position and changed her view.
That’s not a reformer, it’s an opportunist. The mountain moved Mohammed.
She formally turned down the Bridge to Nowhere .
She cancelled the bridge after it became a subject of scorn (and after spending money on prep work), but kept the federal money anyway.
You in a rather typically crude way may call this a “lie;” I should say it’s a valid point of view.
The lie — the campaign’s and yours — is the claim that Palin cancelled the bridge because she had been against earmarks and pork. The lie is the effort to turn her hypocrisy into a virtue. The fact that everything in politics can be stated otherwise doesn’t cure your claims of cynical deceit.
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Even after she cancelled the Bridge to Nowhere, Palin defended the project as worthwhile and denied it was pork. She blamed the cancellation on “inaccurate portrayals” of the project and false “perceptions” of Alaska. In other words, she still didn’t get it that the bridge was a bridge to pork.
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