For what ails you
The best thing to do when you’re depressed is to live as though you’re not depressed. (That advice applies to fear and other suffering as well.) If you have decided not to go the psychotropic drug route, I find this is the most helpful course.
“Crying is all right in its way while it lasts, but you have to stop sooner or later. And then you still have to decide what to do” (The Silver Chair). A mark of adulthood is that you remember more quickly the part about “still having to decide what to do,” and so you deliberately cut down on the crying, until it is almost eliminated.
I write this for people who may have been bequeathed an inordinately melancholy temperament, or have some undiagnosed condition of the humors that they don’t have time to pursue to the last penny.
If you focus on your depression then it grows to 10 feet tall. And then you generally end up with two problems—the presenting problem of the depression, plus the mess you have made of your life by coddling the depression and losing time that should be spend on more important endeavors.
These days if I notice I am in the Slough of Despond, I say to myself, “That’s interesting, I’m depressed.” And then I pray God’s promises over it—“I will never leave you or forsake you”; “My power is made perfect in weakness”; that sort of thing. It helps, also, to make a list of what you need to do that day, and just start doing it. Press into life and live it. Oh, and it’s better not to let on to many people if you’re depressed; the payoff from that gambit is very meager.




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“Oh, and it’s better not to let on to MANY (emphasis mine people if you’re depressed; the payoff from that gambit is very meager.”
Just that one that sticks closer than a brother.
The payoff in this situation is a life saver.
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One of the most successful treatments for depression is a program called Attacking Anxiety by Lucinda Bassett.
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what more can you conveniently tell us about the program?
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Basically it’s a bunch of CDs and a workbook that help you understand that your problem isn’t your life, but your wrong thinking patterns, and she hows you things you can do to break those negative thought patterns. It was originally designed for people having panic attacks (I think) but so many people said that it helped with depression that they began using it for that.
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It’s about $500, which is high, but it’s better than doping yourself up, and it’s a lot cheaper than going to a psychiatrist. Most of them are quacks, which is understandable, because Freudian psychiatry is quackery.
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You can often find it on Ebay for a good price, too.
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The best thing to do when you’re depressed is to live as though you’re not depressed.
Andree basically hits the nail on the head right there. Trouble is, most people who are depressed are incapable of doing that. They don’t know how. Attacking Anxiety shows you how.
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The bible calls this taking every thought captive to Christ. My brother-in-law has a real mental illness and often suffers from bad thinking along with it. My husband actually wrote out verses for his brother to be able to have handy. He kept them in his pocket and pulled them out when he needed to remind himself of God’s truth. He has them and more memorized and they have been life-savers for him.
Scripture memory is important for this also. In the middle of the night it is great to be able to recite a psalm or verse that fits your thoughts and changes their direction.
One thought that used to come to me was, “Things will never change”, along with the poor little ol’ me syndrome. I began to remind myself that the thought is very unbiblical and certainly untrue since Christ, himself, changed everything. That is just one example.
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One big reason people get depressed is that they don’t have any specific goals they’re working on accomplishing. Without goals, a lot of us wind up just drifting. Lack of specific goals isn’t the only cause of depression, and maybe not even one of the main ones, and you can still suffer from depression even though you’re pursuing important goals. But everyone should have goals for the day, week, the month, the year, the next 5 years, etc., written down, and they should review them every day and take concrete action to work toward them.
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Also, if anyone is concerned about the $500 price tag, you can try the program for free for 30 days, and if you’re happy with it, you can pay for it at $60 a month for 8 months.
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Wow.
This is weird – I’m not arguing with anybody.
Feels strange.
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It helps, also, to make a list of what you need to do that day, and just start doing it.
I just noticed that line. There’s your goal setting/accomplishing right there.
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Night Train, not only are you not arguing with anybody, I am agreeing with you.
A few months ago, I read an interesting article about depresson in the AARP newsletter. Here is an interesting blog post about it.
http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2007/10/live-like-caveman-to-cure-depression.html
A good friend of mine where I work told me two interesting experiences.
#1: “When my ex-husband, who suffered from depression, committed suicide, a bottle of anti-depressants was next to his hand.”
#2: R, (a person we both work with, but my friend has known R much longer) became seriously depressed. Once she began taking anti-depressants about ten years ago, she became a totally new person and seems to be doing fine.
As a radical agnostic I will say with certainty, sometmes anti-depressants will kill you and sometimes they will save you.
Cave men did not have chain saws. I am going to go out this morning (dawn is just breaking here on the left coast) and use a chain saw. The results will be a) I will chop up some dead trees (and the vigorous exercise will forestall my own tendency to depression); or b) I will kill myself with my clumsiness; or c) I will become a chain-saw murderer and rom amok on my jungle island.
Or all three. Your mileage may vary.
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Having struggled with chronic depression since my teen years, I slso recommend the “just do what needs to be done” approach.” When I was a teenager, I let my depression (not that I thought of it as “depression” per se – it was feeling down and not caring and being afraid of life) be a reason not to do things – because I just didn’t care enough to do them. But of course when they didn’t get done I had to deal with the consequences of not having done them, which either meant not accomplishing what I wanted, or having to work franticly right before a deadline (often staying up all night, which added to the depression due to lack of sleep).
After a while I realized it was better to just do things whether I felt like it or not – which is after all a mark of maturity. Telling my self I “didn’t care” didn’t work anymore, because I knew I would care later. And I found that when I was depressed, since I didn’t care about much of anything, I didn’t care whether I was doing something I liked or not, so I might as well do something I didn’t like that needed doing. Then there was less to make my depression worse later.
I don’t generally end up crying. I don’t generally feel much of anything when I’m depressed, other than a general sense of unhappiness and “what’s the point of anything.” (I do cry when I get angry, as it seems the only way I have to express anger.) But I don’t have to worry about letting people know I’m depressed. They seem to figure it out without my saying a word. Something about not looking at anyone, never smiling, showing very little emotion of any kind.
The other important thing I have found that helps immensely is getting enough sleep. I never got enough sleep as a teenager, but prided myself on being able to do OK without it. It never occurred to me that I’d feel better with more sleep, until I was in grad school and spent a semester break relaxing and sleeping all I needed. My classmates were amazed at the difference in me when I got back to school, and I was too.
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Have you tried listening to Handel’s “Messiah”? (I don’t like “Praise music”.)
What did King Saul do when he was depressed? Didn’t he call for David and his lyre?
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I will use up my last post for the day with a racist and sexist comment.
I came to the conclusion a long time ago, that when men get sad they beat someone up. When women get mad, they cry.
When I taught at a multi-racial school, I noticed the black girls would act like white boys. When they got sad, a lot of them would beat someone up.
This made a lot of the black boys mad and sad and jealous, so they would date a white girl.
I haven’t figured out yet how Nick Peters and Night Train fit into this syndrome, but they’re in there somewhere.
Just as many people often think they are the same person, when they really are not; drill and llama are beginning to sound much like the same person, but really they are not.
#10 and I will be on the tread mill in a few minutes and then out with the chain saw. Also, I said to my wife, “When I retire you can finally knock me because I am so irritating and bury me in our five acres of woods and no one will notice I’m gone.”
She said, “You are safe; I can’t dig a hole that deep.”
Then she said, “I am having the plumber replumb the water line from the house to the garden. To save money, I said we would dig the new trench.”
Today she said, “We will fill in the trench this weekend.”
I said, “What do you mean, ‘we,’ kimosabe?”
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If anyone wants to know more about Attacking Anxiety, or has anything else they’d like to say to me, you should do it soon. I’m probably going to retire from WoW after today.
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17-retire? How will manage without us?
SING that PSALM and the endorphins in your brain will RISE!!! USE your head voice, and more endorphins in your brain will rise.
Messiah music, I used this for labor when my children were born. It was fabulous.
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I may not be able to manage, Reg. I hope so. But if a month or so down the road someone shows up acting just like me but with a different name, you’ll know what happened. I’m kicking around “Boogertron” for a new handle. Just in case!
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The other important thing I have found that helps immensely is getting enough sleep. I never got enough sleep as a teenager, but prided myself on being able to do OK without it. It never occurred to me that I’d feel better with more sleep, until I was in grad school and spent a semester break relaxing and sleeping all I needed. My classmates were amazed at the difference in me when I got back to school, and I was too.
Great post, Pauline. Thanks for sharing. Getting enough sleep is critical to both physical and mental health, and IIRC, Bassett talks about that in her program. I remember for sure that she talks about cutting out junk food as being important to feeling better. And vigorous daily exercise, such as a long brisk walk, has been proven just as effective as antidepressants in study after study.
I wish I’d hung onto my copy of Attacking Anxiety. I bought it on Ebay about 5 years ago. I went through the program and reaped big benefits. Huge. After I got better, I resold it back on Ebay. Now I’m wishing I’d hung onto it.
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Music? Good music works wonders. Baroque is the best. Bach is the ultimate.
Did you know that Mark Twain is reported to have said that music was the only proof he needed for the existence of God was music?
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20-Are you joining a reformed website to replace us?
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LOL
No, the goal is to quit spending so much time in these forums arguing with people. To what end? It’s pointless. I rarely change anyone’s mind, and I waste a huge part of my day. Yeah, it’s fun, when the targets are as easy as Outkast and some others, but what does it accomplish? Nothing.
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Thanks for laughs, though, they have been good for me!!
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You’re quite welcome.
Thanks.
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Night Train: I think I may just be addicted to arguing. Since I was a teenager I’ve always found ways to get involved in contentious groups, even pre-Internet.
Andree’s posts generally don’t interest me much because they’re usually just devotionals from a spiritual position I don’t share; but this strikes a chord because I struggle with anxiety. (Not depression so much, but neuro-chemically, I think they’re pretty closely related.)
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NT, in an internet populated mostly by characatures, you’re a real, thoughtful, three-dimensional person. Thanks for posting.
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Night Train: I think I may just be addicted to arguing.
Exactly. That’s my problem, too. It’s like I have a need to get on here every day and battle it out with all comers. I try to cut back, but I can’t. The only way it’s going to work is to go cold turkey.
And as far as I’m concerned, this is Andree’s best post ever. I share your disinterest in most of her columns for the same reasons, but this was right up my alley.
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Thanks, Stubob. That means a lot to me.
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Nonsense. Anti depressants don’t “dope people up” if they are used properly. Therapy to change thinking may be appropriate for some people, but if the depression is caused by a chemical imbalance in the brain, drugs are necessary. Would you accuse someone with diabetes of “doping herself up” for using insulin? Depression can actually be an illness with a physical cause. How do I know? Within 8 weeks of starting anti depressant medication, I got my life back. I was able to think clearly, and I had the strength to deal with my problems instead of running away from them.
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Would you accuse someone with diabetes of “doping herself up” for using insulin?
Well, I wouldn’t “accuse” her of it, but that’s exactly what she’d be doing, and that’s fine. There are times to “dope yourself up”. But you should avoid it if at all possible. For many people, ADs do nothing, and for many others, the side effects are terrible.
It’s a colloquial phrase. Relax, Mrs. Grundy.
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Kate64,
I have also benefited from medication. I can’t feel the difference, exactly, but somehow I find myself coping better. And my husband says there’s a big difference, that I smile more and even laugh sometimes.
There are some side effects, and my doctor has changed my medication a couple times in the past year to try to minimize them. The adjustment period is rough, as my body adapts and he adjusts the dosage (I felt like I was having a panic attack or maybe even a heart attack one night and went to the ER). And when I used up my last refill and he didn’t call in the new refills soon enough I felt awful for a few days. (Which may or may not be due to that, I don’t know, I might have been sick with something.)
So it would be nice if I can eventually wean myself off the pills. But when I’ve tried so far it has become apparent that it was a mistake. (And I didn’t connect my increasing depression with the decreased dosage right away because it took a while with the previous medication to feel the effect, so I don’t think it’s because I expected to feel worse.)
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Also, Kate, for the record, I tried several ADs, and none of them did anything for me.
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NT got his third dimension in boyhood when his parents strapped him to the ceiling fan for fun rides. They couldn’t afford Six Flags or Cedar Point.
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NT, just for the record, NT, when you tried these meds, were you also reading Pink? Or was this after Pink? Perhaps you needed an effective detox program??
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I know a lady whose husband is into pornography and she went on Lexapro. Now the porn doesn’t bother her.
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It was after. When I started confusing A. W. Pink with the woman who sings Let’s Get The Party Started. I figured it was time to get professional help.
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“Dope yourself up” is far more than a simple expression, and my objection to it has nothing to do with a Mrs. Grundy type attitude. To be “doped up” means to be high – to use drugs in such a way as to get high, in other words. Attaching that kind of stigma to antidepressants is inappropriate, because it is the kind of attitude that can shame people into not seeking help.
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gasping for air!
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How did you confuse the two??
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gasping for air!
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How did you confuse the two??
I was all doped up on Prozac.
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“When I started confusing A. W. Pink with the woman who sings Let’s Get The Party Started. I figured it was time to get professional help.”
Now I am confused. What professional help did you get? Meds or therapy?
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That’s when I ordered Attacking Anxiety!
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NT,
Which came first, Pink or Prozac?
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I’m just kidding. I never confused AWP with Pink the singer.
The meds came long after I was reading TSOG.
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Sov of G?
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Yeah.
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Yeah,
an abusive image (of themselves) that the authors superimpose on God
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I’m in favor of whatever works for people, be it drugs, books, tapes, seminars, therapy, or a combination thereof. Every person is unique, and what works for one may not work for another. Everyone has to find their own way.
I suppose even religion would be ok, though the cure would be worse than the disease.
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The SOG authors are not writing about God. They are really describing themselves. They are projecting their own image onto God. There; did that make sense?
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Anlir, anytime a cure is worse than a disease, it’s the wrong cure. But when a Physician accurately diagnoses a disease and offers the only cure that can work for that disease, wisdom suggests accepting it.
I suspect you’re looking at the wrong disease, and thus you don’t understand the cure.
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William James was the founder of modern experimental psychology, a philosopher who founded “pragmatism,” as an approach to life, brother of great novelist Henry James, and a man who suffered from life-long depression, which he did not let stop him from leading a very productive and rich life.
He is the author of The Varieties of Religious Experience, which I only got around to reading a few years ago. It is a very fine book, one of the first (and only) books to look at religious belief from a detached and unemotional point of view and to try and study it objectively and scientifically. There is much that remains to be done in this area. James, in a sense, is much like Freud, an early scientific explorer who can hardly be called “scientific”; yet opened the way for objective study of some of the most mysterious and unsettling areas of human experience.
For the most part, even now, people cannot get themselves to move past the point of name calling.
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As for the cure being worse, if religion is the cure, that depends on what religion. True religion, James 1, is not worse than the disease. What passes today for true religion IS the disease!!
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I am convinced that what passes for religion today is actually the cause of depression and anxiety in many
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Reg,
If I may ask…
Do you attend church now? If not, what do you do about corporate worship and fellowshiping with believers?
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I do attend church. We are member in the MSLC currently, my history involves mostly reformed, presbyterian and baptist style.
I read Randall Arthur’s books. I pay attention to what is happening in my life and others. I keep my mind open. I read Pagan Christianity and my husband is working on the sequel, Reimagining the Church. I am working toward something different, something better.
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If you do what’s wrong, you’re going to feel bad.
If you do what’s right, you’re going to feel good.
Pretty simple.
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If you could bottle that, you would make millions!
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Oh, and if anyone in your family/frineds ever suffers in any way, be SURE and remember that simple advice that you gave.
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58 – Yeah, but it’s one of those things that’s so simple that people won’t do it, sort of like losing weight with exercise and a low fat, high fiber diet; and delaying gratification and spending below your means in order to be financially successful.
59 – I will and have. I’ve been cursed and I’ve been thanked, but it doesn’t change the fact that the advice is thoroughly biblical.
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biblical doesn’t mean that we don’t use our brains to listen to people and use discernment in each situation. We don’t assume the position of knowing for another person WHAT that person should do.
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I untangled my life from a fool (the companion of a fool comes to ruin) and I felt bad for a while. Good and bad were mixed. the rewards have been great, and God has been faithful, but it was hard to be on my own with four children, etc., (hard to provide without a work history) and I didn’t always feel good. My doc wanted to treat for situational depression, and I could understand that. I never used the meds, always preferring to find other ways. The point is that the spirit is willing, but the flesh is weak. How you feel is not always a matter of the will.
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And you know, the really stupid thing is that so much of the time on WOW we are talking in generalities, whereas if we were in the same room with each other working on the same problem together, we would probably agree on the approach to take. It is really a waste of time to argue in generalities.
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That’s true. We would probably agree on the approach. And I think you’d enjoy a cup of coffee from our home better than Lynn’s digital ones ( or tea or hot cocoa or whatever you like!)
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