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		<title>By: Peter Leavitt</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Leavitt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 15:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jon Row Plato made clear in his &lt;i&gt;Laws&lt;/i&gt; that homosexual acts were a disorder of nature. In section 636 he wrote &lt;i&gt; ...it should be understood that the pleasure is given according to nature it seems when the female unites with the natures of males for procreation. Males coming together with males, and females with females, seems against nature.&lt;/i&gt;

As to Bloom unquestionably he was a flaming homosexual, though in &lt;i&gt;Closing of the American Mind&lt;/i&gt; he discreetly made no mention of this. One can respect Bloom&#039;s contribution to American thought without approving his tendency to homosexual behavior.

Also, according to A.E. Taylor, one of the classic Plato scholars, homosexual behavior was confined to a few among the elite of the Greeks and that such behavior was illegal and abhorred by Greek public opinion. There is no clear evidence that Socrates was a homosexual; in fact Plato&#039;s Symposium has him clearly staving off Alcibiaes&#039; advances.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jon Row Plato made clear in his <i>Laws</i> that homosexual acts were a disorder of nature. In section 636 he wrote <i> &#8230;it should be understood that the pleasure is given according to nature it seems when the female unites with the natures of males for procreation. Males coming together with males, and females with females, seems against nature.</i></p>
<p>As to Bloom unquestionably he was a flaming homosexual, though in <i>Closing of the American Mind</i> he discreetly made no mention of this. One can respect Bloom&#8217;s contribution to American thought without approving his tendency to homosexual behavior.</p>
<p>Also, according to A.E. Taylor, one of the classic Plato scholars, homosexual behavior was confined to a few among the elite of the Greeks and that such behavior was illegal and abhorred by Greek public opinion. There is no clear evidence that Socrates was a homosexual; in fact Plato&#8217;s Symposium has him clearly staving off Alcibiaes&#8217; advances.
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		<title>By: Jon Rowe</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jon Rowe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 12 Sep 2008 02:43:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Re #5 Allan Bloom was a promiscuous homosexual who understood Plato&#039;s Symposium was one big defense of homosexual eros, however sublimated.  Socrates too was, like Bloom, a homosexual philosopher.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Re #5 Allan Bloom was a promiscuous homosexual who understood Plato&#8217;s Symposium was one big defense of homosexual eros, however sublimated.  Socrates too was, like Bloom, a homosexual philosopher.
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		<title>By: John Denney</title>
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		<dc:creator>John Denney</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 22:35:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whittaker Chambers asserts in his autobiographical book, &quot;Witness&quot;, that Communists deliberately and calculatedly set out to infiltrate three key American institutions: education, media, and non-elected government positions.  He knows because he was a Communist; he funneled state secrets from Alger Hiss, FDR&#039;s right hand man, to the Soviets.

And you wonder why the media and universities are so leftist?

They&#039;ve been infiltrated and never cleaned out.

That&#039;s why &quot;educated&quot; people tend to vote leftist.

So it&#039;s likely that &quot;anti-intellectual&quot; is a pejorative calculated to instill disdain for those who haven&#039;t been, ahem, &quot;properly educated&quot;, so that their viewpoints can be dismissed as &quot;ignorant&quot;.

Arcadia, you are obviously ignorant of the Bible&#039;s book of Proverbs, which espouses the virtues of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.

&quot;Ignorance is bliss&quot; is not a Bible verse, but rather, &quot;My people perish for lack of knowledge.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whittaker Chambers asserts in his autobiographical book, &#8220;Witness&#8221;, that Communists deliberately and calculatedly set out to infiltrate three key American institutions: education, media, and non-elected government positions.  He knows because he was a Communist; he funneled state secrets from Alger Hiss, FDR&#8217;s right hand man, to the Soviets.</p>
<p>And you wonder why the media and universities are so leftist?</p>
<p>They&#8217;ve been infiltrated and never cleaned out.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s why &#8220;educated&#8221; people tend to vote leftist.</p>
<p>So it&#8217;s likely that &#8220;anti-intellectual&#8221; is a pejorative calculated to instill disdain for those who haven&#8217;t been, ahem, &#8220;properly educated&#8221;, so that their viewpoints can be dismissed as &#8220;ignorant&#8221;.</p>
<p>Arcadia, you are obviously ignorant of the Bible&#8217;s book of Proverbs, which espouses the virtues of knowledge, wisdom, and understanding.</p>
<p>&#8220;Ignorance is bliss&#8221; is not a Bible verse, but rather, &#8220;My people perish for lack of knowledge.&#8221;
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 19:22:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;They expose the cracks in the virtues of the West, while shining a light on their brilliance and durability.&lt;/i&gt;

Yes, but what&#039;s wanted today is the former, not the latter. The balance has gone and it took the light with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>They expose the cracks in the virtues of the West, while shining a light on their brilliance and durability.</i></p>
<p>Yes, but what&#8217;s wanted today is the former, not the latter. The balance has gone and it took the light with it.
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		<title>By: Harris</title>
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		<dc:creator>Harris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:58:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Amphi -- I think that anti-intellectualism rather stands out.  And alas, it has been well documented.  

It does seem that what we seek at the best for our leaders are individuals who have a sense of context regarding the past (that&#039;s where history and the classics come in), and about the current situation.  They need to be something of a generalist, more fox than hedgehog, so the very focused do not do especially well in politics, as the act of intellectual focus can rob one of breadth (a reason why you see few PhDs or MDs in Congress).

While HSK brings up the shallowness of so many on the political left, there is also a similar quality on the right, a lack of curiosity about the world, say; or the contentment with what are parochial views.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Amphi &#8212; I think that anti-intellectualism rather stands out.  And alas, it has been well documented.  </p>
<p>It does seem that what we seek at the best for our leaders are individuals who have a sense of context regarding the past (that&#8217;s where history and the classics come in), and about the current situation.  They need to be something of a generalist, more fox than hedgehog, so the very focused do not do especially well in politics, as the act of intellectual focus can rob one of breadth (a reason why you see few PhDs or MDs in Congress).</p>
<p>While HSK brings up the shallowness of so many on the political left, there is also a similar quality on the right, a lack of curiosity about the world, say; or the contentment with what are parochial views.
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		<title>By: Amphipolis</title>
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		<dc:creator>Amphipolis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 14:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>arcadia:

&lt;i&gt;There is an anti-intellectual strain in both religion and right-wing politics about which I am always suspicious.&lt;/i&gt;

This is a great example of bigotry. Communist atheistic regimes had systematic anti-intellectual policies and practices that make the examples you cite look like a picnic. Millions of people died, some simply because they had books. But you are upset about Kansans who simply want to teach more than the state curriculum.

There is plenty of anti-intellectualism to go around, even in our ostensibly most intellectual places. But your admitted suspicions betray a closed-minded and bigoted attitude.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>arcadia:</p>
<p><i>There is an anti-intellectual strain in both religion and right-wing politics about which I am always suspicious.</i></p>
<p>This is a great example of bigotry. Communist atheistic regimes had systematic anti-intellectual policies and practices that make the examples you cite look like a picnic. Millions of people died, some simply because they had books. But you are upset about Kansans who simply want to teach more than the state curriculum.</p>
<p>There is plenty of anti-intellectualism to go around, even in our ostensibly most intellectual places. But your admitted suspicions betray a closed-minded and bigoted attitude.
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		<title>By: hrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 03:07:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>which is why you consider me an intellectual</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>which is why you consider me an intellectual
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		<title>By: Bob Buckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Buckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 02:57:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>But HRW, I consider you an &quot;intellectual&quot; and you admire Dennis Kucinich.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>But HRW, I consider you an &#8220;intellectual&#8221; and you admire Dennis Kucinich.
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		<title>By: hrw</title>
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		<dc:creator>hrw</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 11 Sep 2008 01:50:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Peter Leavitt
I read the Closing of the American Mind and came to the conclusion that Bloom was upset because sixties radicals dared question his authority. He had some valid concerns but were drowned out by his whining and complaining.

Anti-intellectualism in America is guided not only by a refusal to accept reason over faith but a refusal to learn from history -- history is a dangerous knowledge and its missing in a country that always looks forward and forgets the past refusing to learn from mistakes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Peter Leavitt<br />
I read the Closing of the American Mind and came to the conclusion that Bloom was upset because sixties radicals dared question his authority. He had some valid concerns but were drowned out by his whining and complaining.</p>
<p>Anti-intellectualism in America is guided not only by a refusal to accept reason over faith but a refusal to learn from history &#8212; history is a dangerous knowledge and its missing in a country that always looks forward and forgets the past refusing to learn from mistakes.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 10 Sep 2008 22:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was an Ivy League professor (Penn), but I hated it (and urban life) and left for a rocky mountain state school in a Thoreau-esque move that left all my colleagues pronouncing me &quot;gone mad.&quot;</description>
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