Accusations of racism at FRC’s Values Voter Summit
It’s OK to say that Barack Obama waffles on the issues, but to humorously make that point with a box of Obama Waffles is not OK. In fact, it’s racist.
Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock are two well-known Christian writers with an eye for satire. They thought it would be funny to package waffle mix in an “Obama Waffles” box and sell what they call the “Ultimate Election ’08 Edible Souvenir.” So they found a manufacturer who would private-label the waffle mix, designed a box with caricatures of Barack and Michelle Obama on it, and rented a booth at this weekend’s Family Research Council Values Voter Summit in Washington, D.C.
Things went well for a day and a half. DeMoss and Whitlock said traffic to their booth was heavy, they got no complaints, and they sold more than 400 boxes of the waffle mix.
But then a member of American Atheists brought the exhibit to the attention of an Associated Press reporter covering the event. When the AP reporter started asking questions, the FRC told the exhibitors to dismantle the exhibit. The AP article started getting traction on the internet, forcing the FRC to issue a statement by day’s end that read, in part:
The materials represent an attempt at parody that crosses the line into coarseness and bias. The exhibitor contacted our reviewer just days before the Summit by email and described material that sounded like it was devoted to political flip-flops on policy issues. When the content of the materials was brought to the attention of FRC Action senior officials today, they were removed and the exhibit was dismantled by the vendor at our insistence. It is our responsibility to fully vet materials that are offered at any event we cosponsor, but we are deeply dismayed that this vendor violated the spirit, message and tone of our event in such an offensive manner.
FRC spokesman J.P. Duffy told WORLD the caricatures of the Obamas, along with some of the language on the box, “crossed the line” of racism.
Duffy added that it was not the political message the FRC had a problem with, but language and pictures that some might consider racist. “We have no problem with their overall point,” he said. “We were just concerned that some might find the way they made their point offensive.”
The language on the back of the box included a comic picture of Michelle Obama saying, “For the first time in my adult life I’m proud of an American waffle.” A recipe on the back for “Open Border Fiesta Waffles” features a picture of Barack Obama in a Mexican sombrero. The recipe is a “recommended serving” for “4 or more illegal aliens.”
DeMoss and Whitlock were philosophical about the uproar. “We didn’t complain,” said DeMoss. “Blessed are the peacemakers. We’re not looking for trouble. But I do think it’s ironic that at an event that celebrates proclaiming the truth we were shut down for telling the simple truth that Barack Obama waffles on the issues.”
He added, “I understand that it’s not for everyone. But we don’t have a racist bone in our bodies. This is humor, not hate.”



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LMBO!
Any criticism of any black person by any white person is always called racism. Criticizing a black person just isn’t done in polite society.
There’s nothing at all offensive about the spirit, message, or tone of the joke. Nothing. Of course, the FRC is a spineless evangellyfish org, so you know they’re going to buckle under at the first charge of racism.
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Am I allowed to call Night Train a racist now? Cause I really think this could be an effective litmus test for determining if someone is a racist - scientifically.
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So “well-known Christian writers” see nothing offensive about a little black Sambo kind of illustration?
Interesting.
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Am I allowed to call Night Train a racist now? Cause I really think this could be an effective litmus test for determining if someone is a racist - scientifically.
Luke, it’s a heterosexual thang; ya’ll wouldn’t understand.
So “well-known Christian writers” see nothing offensive about a little black Sambo kind of illustration?
SteveG, it’s a caricature. What’s “little black Sambo” about it? Ever seen some of the cartoons drawn of Bush?
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With the huge teeth it looks a lot more like John Kerry than it does Little Black Sambo.
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Not only are Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock the so called christians being racist but are implying that all “Mexicans” are illegal. I hope they realize that their careers are over. No god fearing publisher, or human being with a little bit of brains is ever going to buy anything they publish again. I hope they go to hell!
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Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock the so called christians are being racist but are also implying that all “Mexicans” are illegal. I hope they realize that their careers are over. No god fearing publisher, or human being with a little bit of brains is ever going to buy anything they publish again. I hope they go to hell!
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Llama? Is that you?
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Anyone supporting or thinking that what they did is funny are also racist and I hope they also go to hell too. Repent now in this forum you morons!
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Anyone supporting or thinking that what they did is funny are also racist and I hope they also go to hell too. Repent now in this forum you moron!!
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Yes, I believe it is Llama!
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BOYCOTT Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock!!! AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM BY PUBLISHING THEIR BOOKS OR ALLOWS THEM INTO YOUR CHURCHES THEY WILL BRING YOUR ORGANIZATION DOWN BY CAUSING DIVISION!!!!
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BOYCOTT Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock!!! AND ANYONE WHO SUPPORTS THEM BY PUBLISHING THEIR BOOKS OR ALLOWS THEM INTO YOUR CHURCHES THEY WILL BRING YOUR ORGANIZATION DOWN BY CAUSING DIVISION!!
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As I said the other day, I think what is going on at wmb is probably not racism, but mostly grievance. Just about everybody here is aggrieved.
“Mommy, the black kid hit me!”
“Did not! The white kid hit me first.”
“Do I have to stop this car right now and leave you both by the side of the road where the Islamic bogeyman and his friend the scary liberal will get you?”
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Night train are you a man or a woman? you know that LMBO is an acronym for Laughing My Boobs Off right? A woman can say that but if you are a man you might want to consult your doctor about taking you off the phosphodiesterase inhibitor cause you are developing gynecomastia. What a moron!
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It means no such thing.
http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20080213065627AAwnPnC
I’m now convinced it’s Llama, since he’s demonstrated that he’s clueless on everything he talks about.
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It means no such thing.
Now I’m convinced it’s Llama, since he’s full of insults and he’s made it clear that he’s clueless on every topic he’s talked about so far.
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Night Train
It isn’t Llama, however it is a ‘T’ -
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Angelou
Who cares what you think about Night Train or anyone else here on the blog - you can ‘flame’ all you like, what a waste of time. I don’t care if you’re a male or female, your demeanor is sub standard.
By the way, do you like waffles? - they are very tasty with syrup, real heavy syrup - LOL
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Angelou - 15
YOU WRITE:… “you know that LMBO is an acronym for Laughing My Boobs Off right? Night train are you a man or a woman? you know that LMBO is an acronym for Laughing My Boobs Off right?”
Here is a site that will help ’someone’ like you with an acronym:
http://www.patoche.org/alone/info/acronymslist.html
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What has happened to our freedom. Without Freedom of Speech, you have no freedom. You are told what to say and think. Bob and Mark are Satirist. Genius! If you don’t like it too bad!
I “LOVE” this creative idea.
DON’T BOYCOTT WAFFLES, THEY ARE YUMMY!
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A box of Obama Waffles is not OK. In fact, it’s racist.
One can argue this is in poor taste. But can someone please explain to me what is racist about it? I am serious.
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Xion, you write: — “One can argue this is in poor taste. But can someone please explain to me what is racist about it? I am serious.” –
I don’t believe anyone can.
Obama waffles, he gaffes, etc, people are going to make comments about his ah, well, ah, moments and the waffles - What does race have to do with the waffle box?
Duffy says “We were just concerned that some might find the way they made their point offensive.”
We find people who are offended over EVERYTHING that relates to the black American, but its a free for all when its aimed at the white race - WHY IS THAT? WHO MADE THOSE RULES?
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Xion: The caricature looks a lot like overtly racist images from a generation or two ago.
An example.
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SteveG. In what way? Should they have made him look whiter?.
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‘JUST LET ME EAT MY WAFFLE’
Asked by a reporter if he had heard that Carter reported a positive outcome from the meeting, Obama looked sternly at the reporter in question and said, “Why can’t I just eat my waffle?”
Asked again by the reporter, Obama bit — not at the question but into a butter covered bite of Glider’s specialty over-size Belgian waffles. With a wink this time he said, “Just let me eat my waffle.”
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/21134540/vp/24243923#24243923
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This you can’t miss -
Obama Waffles Leave Bad Taste
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai6b6QPLXtI
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Xion: The caricature looks a lot like overtly racist images from a generation or two ago.
SteveG, that’s ludicrous. There’s no comparison whatsoever between the Obama waffle caricature and the example you provided.
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Steveg if this is your best comparison it failed. You’re looking for something that isn’t there.
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SteveG, Thanks but I don’t see the connection.
I see no difference between this cartoon image and of any black athlete or hero on cereal boxes.
Are you saying that all Fat Albert cartoons were racist?
If Obama is elected, will all caricatures of him be called racist? Will all political cartoons be censored?
Excuse me for saying so, but doesn’t this sound a lot like a Taliban reaction to Muhammad cartoons?
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It’s a tough spot. Because you’re right, it is easy for people to undercut any caricatures of him with accusations of racism, whether the artist intended any or not, and in a lot of cases the accusations will be bogus and intended just to distract attention away from the point of the cartoon.
On the other hand, there are ways to caricature a black person that exaggerate stereotypical physical characteristics in a racist way — big lips,flat noses, gleaming white teeth, etc. — and there are ways to do it that avoid that effect. If an artists chooses to take the more stereotypical approach, it’s fair to question the motives.
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This article was written by Warren Cole Smith. It appears like even he is saying this is racist. Warren, if you’re out there, can you please explain? Do you think it was racist, or were you commenting on others who thought it was?
Just FYI - I didn’t think the lipstick comment was sexist either. I also oppose the censorship machine that is editing and chopping up classic American cartoons that are now deemed politically incorrect.
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#31 I know. But you see where this is going. No big lips or flat noses? Have you ever seen a political cartoon?
And what precisely is wrong with big lips and flat noses? Are you suggesting there is something wrong with those?
Apparently no one got the memo: OBAMA IS BLACK PEOPLE! Is there anything wrong with that? Is there any reason not to emphasize that? Why must we tip toe around?
What we have here is the latent racism of a guilty left who wants to purge the white ghosts of their own imaginary past. The fact that this cartoon is a problem for anyone IS ITSELF RACIST!!
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Steveg
Steveg I find your remarks unrealistic and this is the reason; Black people for the most part do have big lips, and flat noses are characteristics, along with white teeth, that just happens to be the way God made them - When did big lips become a bad thing, or flat noses or white teeth? Women (white) are seeking doctor’s who inject their lips so that they can have large lips - men and women are paying lots of money so dentists will whiten their teeth - this is bad, this is something that blacks should be offended at?
I can only speak for myself Steve, this attitude which many blacks and some whites have about the way blacks are represented has become so ‘egg stepping’ that most people aren’t paying any attention to it any more. The complaints have become childish, as if to say “whatever you do and whatever pictures portray the black race, which show features that are true and correct, but we don’t like, we are going to COMPLAIN its RACIST” The attitude is super, super sensitivity with no foundation except to find fault with most everything the rest of us do, say or paint - Most people are tired of the ‘egg stepping’ they aren’t going along with it anymore.
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Isn’t this fun?
Victoria … Steveg I find your remarks unrealistic and this is the reason; Black people for the most part do have big lips, and flat noses are characteristics, along with white teeth, that just happens to be the way God made them - When did big lips become a bad thing, or flat noses or white teeth?
Unless you’re completely ignorant of the caricatured images of blacks that were created in the Reconstruction era after the Civil War, and into the early 20th century, then you already know why this objection falls flat.
Excuse me for saying so, but doesn’t this sound a lot like a Taliban reaction to Muhammad cartoons?
Yep, it is. And specious accusations of racism are wrong.
So, get ready for endless debates on this. However, one point to consider: Obama’s been in the public eye in a big way for a long time, and he’s been caricatured in political cartoons many times… most of the time, the caricatures don’t make people suggest they might be racist. So maybe there really is something different about this one.
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Steveg
The “Civil War” was long, long ago, and “early 20th century” was way before my time. Dragging the distant past up, as if you can make a point FALLS FLAT - As it stands I had nothing to do with whatever people drew, or said, it has nothing to do with 2008, however if this is the best you can do to extinguish free speech and expression you my friend are out of luck.
Do black people hate their noses, lips and teeth, is that what this is all about? I don’t know, maybe they do?
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Victoria: Since that time, cartoonists have found ways to caricature black people without falling back on those old stereotypes. Caricatures that deliberately use that old style are generally considered to be racist because the artist knows why those old styles aren’t used anymore, and chooses to use them for deliberate effect.
You aren’t stupid … you understand this. Why do you pretend you don’t?
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Context is always important when trying to understand satire and racism. For example; Waffle in Canadian politics refers to hard left group in the 1970s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waffle
and not waffling hence when I saw the box cover my first point of reference was Aunt Jemima — not exactly an image associated with satire, but rather stereotypes.
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Context is always important when trying to understand satire and racism. For example; Waffle in Canadian politics refers to hard left group in the 1970s
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Waffle
and not waffling hence when I saw the box cover my first point of reference was Aunt Jemima — not exactly an image associated with satire, but rather stereotypes of the kind Steve mentions in #35 and I’m not old enough to remember the turn of the previous century.
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Steve
You are right, I’m not stupid - I’m also not going to go along with all the ‘egg stepping’ anymore it’s been used to control anyone other than black’s for over 25 years - Everything is offensive, anything can be taken wrong, according to whom? - Make it up as you go, if you don’t like something get the ‘LABEL’ out and mark it as “RACIST” that will fix it -
The reverse racism isn’t going to work either. Ever since we found out what was being ‘bellowed’ from Wright’s pulpit, “Black Liberation Theology” many people are looking closely at the results, and its teaching in many black churches. It’s nothing more than reverse racism, but now millions of people know what “Black Liberation Theology” is - they aren’t amused.
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Caricatures in political cartoons generally exaggerate features of the particular person being drawn, whether it’s big ears, big nose, etc. If Obama has particularly big lips or a flat noseas an individual, there’s nothing wrong with drawing him that way. While it’s true that black people in general do have those characteristics more than white people, I don’t remember that Obama does in any noticeable way - after all, he’s only part black. Thus using exaggerating characteristics of black people in general rather than his own features, would seem to be drawing attention to the fact he is black. To that extent it could be considered racist.
As Xion points out, Obama is in fact black, so there’s nothing racist by simply pointing it out. But then, what is the point of pointing it out? My guess is that in this case someone just thought it would fit very well with the idea of waffles, since the Aunt Jemima pancake products show a black Aunt Jemima. Which isn’t exactly a flattering comparison to make to a candidate for president. (Unlike black sports stars on cereal boxes, who are clearly being honored for their physical accomplishments, and being shown as someone to emulate by eating a good breakfast.)
Considering the history of race relations in this country, there really is no way to bring up a candidate’s race without some people seeing it as racism. Whether it is racism or not, I don’t know because that’s an attitude and I can’t read people’s hearts and minds. But as his race does not make him a better or worse candidate for president, it’s foolish in my opinion to bring it up as that just detracts from discussing the things that should matter.
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You’re doing good on this thread, Vic. Keep it up, sister!
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BTW, Obama’s teeth on this waffle carton are STILL not as white as his running mate’s!
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But Pauline,
I don’t see how this is bringing up race at all. Drawing him as a white man would certainly bring up race, but he is black and of course he is drawn as black. I thought of the comparison with Aunt Jemima…but the term they’re capturing is “waffles,” so I think it would be oversensitive to say, “Oh, we can’t do waffles, that Aunt Jemima thing…what term do we want to use instead?” With a white candidate, we wouldn’t show such overscrupulous sensitivity as to say, for instance, that we can’t do a box of chicken (Colonel Sanders) for an older white man who has a goatee. If the initial point was to imitate Aunt Jemima, that’s one thing, but I don’t think it was…for one thing, he’s a man, and the connection simply isn’t that solid. And really, unless we want to say it’s shameful to be black, I don’t see why we need to pretend he isn’t in order to avoid racism.
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So now Aunt Jemima is racist?
It is interesting though, that the logo has changed. The new politically correct Aunt Jemima ain’t yo mamma’s Aunt Jemima. (Oh, sorry I forgot that white people including Mark Twain are forbidden by the Thought Police from ever speaking that way. Each skin color must first receive approval for their authorized vocabulary.)
The original fictional Aunt Jemima was originally a minstrelsy/vaudeville song of the same name, performed by white vaudevillians in blackface, apron, and kerchief. A “mammy” caricature appeared on packages of Aunt Jemima Pancake mix. In 1893, the R.T. Davis Milling Company bought the brand.
Over the years, there have been constant remakes of the brand. A logo that used to mean ‘yummy’ now means ‘white devil’. The latest Aunt Jemima has a perm and looks like a young lawyer. As a matter of fact, she looks exactly like Michelle Obama.
Oops, did I make another racist comment by saying the words ‘Aunt’ and ‘Jemima’ in the same sentence? I think the terms vaudeville and blackface are also banned words by the Ministry of Language.
And you may as well arrest Bill Cosby too, because Fat Albert is definately a negative racial stereotype. We can’t allow people to make cartoons without filling out the proper authorization in triplicate. Let us all salute Big Brother who taught us the wonders of multiculturalism.
Curiously, the Ministry of Information approves of using the terms ‘liberal’ and ‘anti-liberty’ interchangeably. Apparently the oxymoron slipped passed the censors.
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Cherl D. The term chicken must never be used in the same sentence as Obama. Fried food and any cooking native to South Carolina will be banned, even though Obama isn’t from there. Just think of the implications of a verbal or culinary slip up of such magnitude? There could be riots.
OK, I’m having too much fun. My point is,
CAN LIBERALS HEAR HOW RACIST THEY ARE BY OBJECTING TO DRAWING OBAMA AS BLACK?
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Outkast, where I live most people are getting their teeth whitened, and you should see the BIG LIPS, there everywhere, on white people no less. Does that mean its racist to get ones lips fluffed up?
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I just thought of another little item. Faux tan its everywhere - you can make yourself very dark with a few applications, I should know, I do it every summer, and tomorrow nights the night. Is this by any chance a racist thing to do, making oneself tan with a lotion or cream? Please let me know immediately, the faux tan police might catch me -
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Bugs Bunny is racist.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Uah9ZY9YOw
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#49 Bugs Bunny is racist. … and sexist, and violent, not to mention exhibiting conduct unbecoming of a wabbit. The cartoon shows a banned expression of faith (a Christmas tree) and he is an insult to both the people of Brooklyn and Canadian mounties.
You will be happy to note that the liberal censorship committee has carefully edited out the final scene of Canadian Mounties all in blackface singing “Camptown Races”. Oh humanity!
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You know? Until this particular blog I had been thinking that if Obama got elected that there would be at least one consolation: I assumed that we could put this whole racist thing behind us once and for all. I mean, once we have a black president, could we not finally move on as a nation?
But now I realize something horrible that I had not considered. If Obama is elected, racism will get worse, unbelievably worse!
Political cartoons and political commentary will be viewed through a lens of racial hypersensitivity the likes of which haven’t been seen since the Muhammad cartoon controversy.
Anything except bowing down to the image of the media messiah will be considered racist at the least and a hate crime at worst. Hopefully no one gets thrown into the fiery furnace!
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Xion my friend -
It is a horrible thought, but its true. Racism is reversed, and we didn’t know it. America is beginning to WAKE UP, we had no idea, but now WE KNOW! It’s knowing that will make the difference my friend.
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This is interesting. The flagrant defense of racism on display here is like World Mag Blog circa 2002.
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SteveG., “Since that time, cartoonists have found ways to caricature black people without falling back on those old stereotypes.”
Give me an example.
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In message #20, Victoria linked to an acronym list. I presume she has read the whole list, or at least got through the letter “A” and “B”.
I learned some new ones that I didn’t know before, such as AMF, BAMF, BFH, BIOYA. To WOW, I say, Wow! Thanks for furthering my education, Victoria. Should I show this list to my granddaughter?
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I wrote a series once on how to respond to flames. Basic principles:
1) Admit whatever you are accused of.
2) Admit you are proud of it.
3) Demonstrate it to an even further degree.
I think these principles apply to this topic. I haven’t fully worked it out, but I think Obama should wear the waffle picture on a t-shirt as he campaigns and Palin should wear a t-shirt showing a pig and a pit bull, both in bright lipstick, and perhaps kissing, though that might be too much.
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Kbells, I would like an example as well -
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Victoria: Black people for the most part do have big lips, and flat noses are characteristics, along with white teeth, that just happens to be the way God made them - When did big lips become a bad thing, or flat noses or white teeth?
Caricatures are supposed to exaggerate features of a person that are unuusal or uniquely identifying. Jay Leno’s big chin. David Letterman’s gapped teeth. George W. Bush’s close-set eyes.
If the characteristics are generally true of the race … Asian eyes, African lips, etc … then over-emphasizing them is playing up a stereotype and not portraying something unique about the individual.
But if you want to continue to defend racism from your high seat of good Christian holier-than-thouness, go right ahead.
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NO! uneles you are a member of that ethnic group you don’t have any business making rude or racist comments about another. That’s just the way it is! If you do then you are on your own, and must accept the consequences as far as damaging your reputation, experiencing a boycott or your business etc.
I’M NOT BLACK BUT I WILL BOYCOTT Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock. THEY MUST ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS.
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NO! uneles you are a member of that ethnic group you don’t have any business making rude or racist comments about another. That’s just the way it is! If you do then you are on your own, and must accept the consequences as far as damaging your reputation, experiencing a boycott or your business etc.
I’M NOT BLACK BUT I WILL BOYCOTT Bob DeMoss and Mark Whitlock. THEY MUST ACCEPT THE CONSEQUENCES OF THEIR ACTIONS!
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VICTORIA, you are wrong!
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To Angelou
Following your “logic” then only white people can comment on the KKK.
What would black people do if they couldn’t accuse white people of racism?
Maybe they would have to look in the mirror.
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Hysteria won’t change the fact that caricatures of EVERY public figure have been on newspapers, mags for decades and decades - because it’s a black male or female will not change -
White, Black, Asian, Indian, what difference does it make? This just points up the ‘egg stepping’ which has not become humurous. Can you just see a cartoon of people of other races dancing on eggs, while blacks get themselves all bunched up - but at the same time think its just great going to hear the doctrine preached at Wright’s church.
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#62
As usual I am “following Nick around” just as Ed used to complain about VS following him around and praying for him.
I’ll leave the praying for Nick to others who specialize in it, but I am still arguing that Nick is posting not out of racism, but out of grievance, and that he feels picked on because he is white. Probably some of his best friends are black.
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To Random
Do you the best way to get me to change my evil ways?
Offer a convincing rebuttal instead of hinting that I am a racist or paranoid.
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Nick,
Thank you for replying to my comment.
1) The invitation to engage in a conversation with me (which I will keep private unless you agree to share what we say) is still open. Email me at eman_modnar@yahoo.com
2) I doubt that you have evil ways. Seriously.
3) I am not sure what to “rebut” because I am not sure what you believe.
4) I suspect you are not a racist, but it is difficult for me to tell unless you are willing to engage in a conversation.
5) My best guess (and this is serious) is that you feel discriminated against as a white person.
6) It is impossible for me to tell what you are or what you think in this method of communication. I suppose there are three options:
a) Ask me to stop addressing you and never speak to you again on this website. I will probably will if you ask nicely.
b) Engage with me in a private conversation, as I have requsted.
c) Continue as we have. Do you feel lucky?
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To be honest Nick makes a good point in #62. Attitudes like Angelou’s cuts off dialog. Scream “racist” and you don’t have to prove your point.
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So lemme get this straight,
SteveG and Luke and Angelou have called us all racists for treating another human as a normal person rather than a sacred being of whom no graven images shalt be made.
Apparently the Ministry of Sacred Sensitivity (aka Taliban) objects to all caricatures of the media messiah and has called for a boycott and condemnation of all who do not renounce it.
Sheesh, what ever happened to the good ol’ days when liberals were pushing secular humanism?
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Xion: Sorry, you don’t have it straight yet.
I haven’t accused anyone here of being racist; I did suggest Victoria was defending racism, but I didn’t say she was racist, nor anyone else here. I have tried to explain why a caricature that exaggerates features that play into racial stereotypes, rather that characteristics unique to that individual, might be considered racist.
I haven’t objected at all to caricatures of Obama. In #35 in fact, I said just the opposite.
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Steveg
Such a clever little way to get in the “racist” tag. Have you ever considered yourself a racist, if you haven’t give it some serious thought. You betray yourself!
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The box traffics in racial rhetoric if not quite racial stereotypes (Obama as Aunt Jemima). Comedy often arises from this kind of transgression. As to the rhetoric, there is a kind of irony here, since the Mammy/Aunt Jemima figure was often used as a kind of type of the “good negro” or “house negro” as opposed to the working bucks in the fields — the ones that get uppity. Most of the attacks on Obama have been because he is “uppity” or elitist (Celebrity ad is an example).
Often the transgression is lessened by a kind of ironic distance, by an over-exagerration. An example of this kind of transgressive/offensive use of rhetoric can be found in George Wolfe’s The Colored Museum where all kinds of boundaries get crossed.
This box did not reach that level, being somewhat clumsy in a college sophomore sort of way.
As a Christian, I tend to shy from much of this humor, if only because there is so often an element of the demeaning in it — the kind of put down that doesn’t sit well with what I understand to be the mind of Christ. For that reason, I was glad that FRC took action: it’s important to protect some kinds of boundaries.
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Harris
Huppity, Jemima, - if you want to make an issue of it, you certainly have done so.
The ‘egg stepping’ Is not only old, it’s a mind set with those who have a chip which is never going to be resolved in this world - Yes I SAID IT, THIS WORLD - those who are watching to see who steps on those eggs the wrong way is defined a racist - but that my friend IS NOT the way it’s going to be.
This isn’t going to end, it has gone on for centuries - there’s too much that’s handed down in the black community with grudges that are too far back for anyone to remember today.
Racial grudges are an illness, you can’t make those who have never done the crime pay for something that happened in another time, another place, pay for TODAY!
Now to the humor part - Harris, cartoon’s are just that, they too have gone on for centuries - but we have a group of people who think its just dandy to ‘rap’ the rhythm of the streets, and its ugly often times - but when it comes to satire, or humor there is no art form that is extended - and those that feel this way think they make the rules, or that its even fair?
If you can’t see how far off the road this has gone, there are a multitude of people that will help you find your way. No one is going to tell the rest of us how we can use ‘FREE SPEECH’ there are not rules in place which tell us how we can express ourselves in civil society, using respectful language, and cartoon’s which are no different than the other cartoon’s other’s use to depict ‘US’ if that’s a term acceptable in this new ‘egg stepping’ society.
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So is a caricature that emphasizes that McCain is old ageism or one that emphasizes that Hilary is a woman sexist?
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Good morning Victoria!
About grudges:
Wasn’t it Ezekiel who said, “the parents have eaten sour grapes and the children’s teeth are set on edge” Fair or not, hurts can get held over multiple generations. Hurts also have about them an element of justice, a perceived or actual wrong. When we label them as “grudges” we already dismiss the question of justice. In fact, we take sides.
About rhetoric:
In politics we traffic in symbols — shorthand for what a person stands for or for who they are. That’s the nature of life. When we have both a woman and a racial minority on the ticket, the problem gets worse. So symbols that have historically been used to directly, or as code to put down or diminish. E.g., Palin is subtly portrayed as image-obssessed (oh what a girl!) with the story about her tanning bed. As consumers of image and words, I think we need to be wise about them. Discerning.
And about humor:
I wrote as a Christian. I think it important that we consider all parts of our lives through the lens of our faith. We glorify God not only in our worship, but in our politics, our words, and yes, our jokes. As Paul writes, we are to be transformed. The right to conscience here depends on Free Speech, no denying it. And there’s a gray area there were free speech and conscience collide. But in such collisions I’m just not sure you far you can appeal to “free speech.”
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I don’t see the big deal here. It’s not like Hussein is wearing an Aunt Jemima bandana.
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“Wasn’t it Ezekiel who said, “the parents have eaten sour grapes and the children’s teeth are set on edge” Fair or not, hurts can get held over multiple generations. Hurts also have about them an element of justice, a perceived or actual wrong. When we label them as “grudges” we already dismiss the question of justice. In fact, we take sides.”
Isn’t it this the “tit for tat” attitude that has kept violence going in some parts of the world for centuries. There has to come a time when the offered apology is accepted and peace is made or we turn into Bosnia or Ireland or the Middle east.
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#73 “So is a caricature that emphasizes that McCain is old ageism or one that emphasizes that Hilary is a woman sexist?”
I would consider it “ageism” if a caricature showed McCain as a doddering old man. It’s fine to raise the issue of age - some people do have real concerns about McCain’s age - but to portray him as impaired by age in ways that he is not actually, is to use stereotypes of old people against him.
Similarly, to portray Hillary Clinton in ways that exaggerate characteristics of women would be sexist, in my view - especially as she is generally criticized for not appearing feminine enough. No problem bringing up that she is a woman, if you think that is relevant to her qualifications because of God-ordained male leadership, for instance.
Caricatures are fine - when they are caricatures of the individual, not of the group the individual belongs to that has nothing to do with the individual’s fitness for office.
And of course in this country people have a legal right to produce stupid or offensive caricatures if they choose to - and other people have a right to deride them as stupid or offensive.
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The spectre of Aunt Jemima and Uncle Ben and/or the Cream of Wheat man still haunt Madison Avenue.
This bruha should have been foreseen.
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This whole thing is silly. I can understand if the box had some offensive caption like “Dey sho am is good!”, but it doesn’t. By presidential campaign standards, this is very mild stuff. There’s certainly nothing offensive about it.
What has people upset is that white people are criticizing or ridiculing a black man. That’s wrong, in their book, especially if the black man being ridiculed is Barack Obama.
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Harris - 74
Justice will not be found in holding grudges against people who have done them NO HARM, it is MISPLACED-
A heart of bitterness, filled with grudges will profit a man nothing. What it will do, is sour the soul.
Harris here are the verses which surround the verse you mention which is the second one. This particular chapter deals with Israel. We need to be careful how we use Scripture.
1 The word of the LORD came unto me again, saying,
2 What mean ye, that ye use this proverb concerning the land of Israel, saying, The fathers have eaten sour grapes, and the children’s teeth are set on edge?
3 As I live, saith the Lord GOD, ye shall not have occasion any more to use this proverb in Israel.
4 Behold, all souls are mine; as the soul of the father, so also the soul of the son is mine: the soul that sinneth, it shall die.
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Angelou shrieks:
#6 & 7 “I hope they [DeMoss & Whitlock] go to hell!”
#9 & 10 “Anyone supporting or thinking that what they did is funny are also racist and I hope they also go to hell too. Repent now in this forum you morons!”
Your hysteria and murderous wishes for others is repulsive in the extreme.
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I think Waffling is the least of Obama’s problems. Soon his mug will be used to market Eggs Benedict (Arnold).
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Micahel - 81
Very disturbed posts 6,7, etc. One wonders why anyone would post such outbursts.
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Xion - 82
I saw this too. This isn’t getting much attention, very strange.
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The Cream of Wheat Man is still on my new box of Cream of Wheat. I wouldn’t know which box to buy without him.
The picture of Obama is a caricature. Can we now not have caricatures of blacks?
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NJL,
Didn’t you know? - all the rulings come down, and whatever the black community or ‘others’ who deems ANYTHING racist, is the new order, and you must begin ‘egg stepping’ as a way to avoid ridicule and most of all to be called a ‘racist’-
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Victoria, you’re describing the Newspeak definitions from the leftwing Ministry of Political Correctness:
Newspeak definition of racism: Whatever a non-white says it is.
Newspeak definition of sexism: Whatever a female says it is.
Newspeak definiton of screwed: All males, esp. white ones.
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I am going to the web site and buying many boxes.
http://www.obamawaffles.com
This is humor. That is all. Oversensitivity will destroy this country. Hate crime is unconstitutional, 1st amendment protects my speech whatever it is and whoever it offends. That doesn’t mean I won’t get smacked for making a racist comment but going to jail longer because I used a racist\sexist\derrogatory comment is unconstitutional. I used to be a die hard Democrat, but the word liberalism I now see as meaning What’s in it for ME? What will you do for ME? How can I manipulate the constitution to fulfill MY needs?
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I do believe the waffle thing was a cheap shot and in poor taste. We should leave the cheap shots to the bad guys and fight fair, though I realize the high cost of losing this election. But where is our faith? If we do wrong we will not be blessed. America has turned away from God and it may well be that this is His judgment if we don’t repent and return to Him. If we elect a president who will bow down and let our enemies win the war, do we even have a clue what would happen next?
Honestly, I don’t think there are very many people in this country who object to the concept of B. Hussein O. becoming president simply because of his race/color, so what’s the point of the Aunt Jemima parody? Yeah, I get the “waffling” concept but that’s just the demoncrat in him. Why not have Hillary-Billary waffles or AlGore waffles as well?
If we let it appear that it’s simply a race thing there is no good that can come of it. Do we really want to give poor Michelle O. any more room to whine about how “mean” America has been to her? Yeah, we can tell life has been SO hard for her.
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Funny, I didn’t see “Aunt Jemima” at all, nor did I think his caricature looked anything like the old negro caricatures. I immediately noticed the LONG face (which Obama has) and big ears (which he also has).
I think that Llama has it right here…if you find the box racist, it is probably because you are racist yourself.
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LL mac - 98
YOU WRITE:… “I do believe the waffle thing was a cheap shot and in poor taste. We should leave the cheap shots to the bad guys and fight fair, though I realize the high cost of losing this election. But where is our faith?”
I love ‘waffles’ there’s nothing wrong with good tasty waffles, the real ones, LOL
On the other hand a guy running for President who WAFFLES and GAFFES his way through speeches when there is no tele-prompter, or notes, deserves the waffle box, and the picture.
Face it, he’s a waffle that gaffes.
As far as fighting fair, - B/M’s comments are insulting to this country.
My faith is in God - God gave us brains to use, to rebuke those who aren’t truthful, who continue a slippery compaign and expect Believers and others to stand by - that isn’t going to happen.
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“And Job answered and said, No doubt but ye are the people, and wisdom shall die with you. But I have understanding as well as you; I am not inferior to you: yea, who knoweth not such things as these?” Job 12:1-3
I’m no fan of B. Hussein O. either, but I stand by the fact that we need to keep things above board. I’ve little doubt someone had to write the “Lipstick on a pig” gaffe for him, but that was a cheap shot too, even if he needed a teleprompter to feed it to him. I’m so sorry if you are insulted on behalf of this country for reasons that are rather obscure. How thoughtful of you to speak for her. We’re on the same side, but nastiness and hysteria are not the best way to make a point. And there’s no logic in attacking someone who is on the same side for no apparent reason, supposedly in the name of “faith.”
If Michelle O. speaks for the African American community when she whines that America is “downright mean” to her (despite the Obamas’ six-figure income) it’s a no-brainer that we don’t need to give anyone a reason to believe it’s true. A cheap shot can have a very high cost when all is said and done.
“Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!” (Mat. 18:7)
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LL Mac
If you want to attack those who believe the Waffle box is racist, or in ‘bad taste’ go for it, I don’t agree. Too many people find fault with everything that is said or done and call it racist or wrong.
You cite two Scriptures which have nothing to do with the box or picture.
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Saturday Night Live skit suggests husband of VP candidate has sex with own daughters ?
“What about the husband?” asked a Times reporter during a mock assignment meeting for the paper. “You know he’s doing those daughters. I mean, come on. It’s Alaska.”
The assignment editor for the Times, portrayed by actor James Franco, responded: “He very well could be. Admittedly, there is no evidence of that, but on the other hand, there is no convincing evidence to the contrary. And these are just some of the lingering questions about Governor Palin.”
Saturday Night Live skit suggests husband of VP candidate has sex with own daughters ?
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