You began in post 19 with this remark “All the translators translate with a bias that distorts God’s revelation.”

There are many ‘new translations’ that doesn’t mean they are correct. ANYONE can publish a new translation of the Bible.

Partners? – I’m not a partner with GOD Almighty, I am His servant, HE and HE alone is the one who makes the rules. God is Almighty, all powerful, all knowing, we are HIS servants, we are to follow HIM-

The Bible has been around for a long, long time, it hasn’t changed, but man has most certainly tried to change the Bible, taking entire passages away, etc.

The Holy Spirit guides me Tima, what I do in regards to the Gospel of Jesus Christ comes from HIS leading, that is all I am able to give. If that doesn’t set well with you as you quip ” God has designed you for better than this.” then you have missed what I have earnestly tried to impart in my posts.

The Scripture which we have today was not, a conspiracy which the Apostles, deemed necessary to write – Nor were those who translated the documents so long ago in any way conspiring to delude the world as to the LORD’S virgin birth, ministry, death on the cross, and the triumphant Resurrection from the grave – However, the CONSPIRACY takes shape when those down through the ages, and more importantly in the past 200 years up to TODAY, weave what they consider to be a very cleaver way in which to attack the Bible, either by supposed knowledge or twisting passages of Scripture to meet their ‘agenda’ or ‘cult’ –

Those who wish to weave some sort of conspiracy as to the accuracy and reliability of Scripture, accusing Christ’s disciples who were chosen by Him for the preaching of the Gospel into a jigsaw puzzle, . . . . . . and also those disciples who sat under the Apostles to learn ‘first hand’ about the Savior, OR the accusations are hurled at the translators who worked with the original manuscripts –

Those individuals who believe THEY ALONE are capable of reassembling, due to error or negligence, or down right untruthfulness are nothing more than antichrist – The LORD warned us there would be those who would come with ‘false gospel’ and they have been with us forever -

Hebrew and Greek are ancient languages as are Aramaic and Latin – many pretend to have knowledge of these languages, be they in the ‘old form’ or the ‘new’ then becoming the so called ‘teacher’ of any and all who will listen, as though they are now ‘equipped’ with superior knowledge to translate the Scriptures –

The CONSPIRACY against GOD’S Word has not worked, those who are steadfast in their belief of the LORD Jesus Christ, and His DEITY are unmoved, those who would try to ‘delude’ the saints are the very ones who have fallen under their own delusion –

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I will not join you in your degrading playing with words such as “my dear” or suggesting I am playing the same games as Mormons or JW’s. God has designed you for better than this.

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YOU WRITE:… “I’ve given you proof on this very issue on previous articles and it doesn’t sink in. From my perception of the quality of your arguments, you prefer to argue when you don’t like something rather than reason thoughtfully and learn in two-way communication.”

No you haven’t given PROOF – without proof my dear you haven’t made any point but rather play with words – You haven’t said much at all, except that in post #19 … “All the translators translate with a bias that distorts God’s revelation.” —- which you haven’t been able to prove.

You obviously don’t understand post #21 – OR you prefer to ignore it because you can’t understand it or cope with the significance of GOD’s power, HIS ability to keep the Scriptures throughout the centuries from going adrift —- that has been a problem for many people, they want to re-write the Bible claiming it wasn’t translated properly – that Tima is an old ‘game’ played by the cults. The Jehovah’s Witnesses and Mormons alike have complained regarding the translation of the Bible.

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Karen O
I’m glad you find it’s more than 10%. What do you think it would take to raise the maturity of the saints in your church such that 50% or 80% live out this kind of maturity? God wants us to aim high, not be content with mediocrity for ourselves and the saints we are connected to. I would encourage you or better yet your husband to ask permission to do a thoughtful survey of the saints. Then the saints can take aim at some very specific needs and persue after dligent faith rather than casual faith.

Victoria
I’ve given you proof on this very issue on previous articles and it doesn’t sink in. From my perception of the quality of your arguments, you prefer to argue when you don’t like something rather than reason thoughtfully and learn in two-way communication.

Oh, well I’ll try again:
baptizmo is the greek word for baptize. Baptize is not a translation. It is a transliteration. The translators, for whatever shallow reason, prefer not to give it it’s natural, contextual translation. Denominations all differ on what they prefer it to mean so they like it this way. Now their local expert can interpret it in his own way to please his own traditions. The body of Christ is splintered because of this and other reasons. This shows how the church is left in limbo when it is deeply dependent upon a few experts for the development of their faith as this post suggests.

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Thanks for your thoughts in #27. To be clear, I feel the church doing the building fund is doing it in a godly way and there is indeed need for more space if they want to grow their worship/preaching service and dynamic kids program.

Nevertheless, it supports a thinking in the church that I am not as comfortable with that puts the emphasis on “the big game” on Sunday morning and the important aspect of community and relationships are in-practice seen as optional add-ons. If a church were to suddenly have 30% attendance, there would be a panic. If we grew by 30% and needed more room on Sunday, there would be a no-hold-barred campaign to enlarge.

If only 30% of the church was involved in small groups or ministries we would merely shrug our shoulders and say “what a shame”. So churches can say all they want about “it’s not all about Sunday morning”. But, in practice in my experience, it is.

So I guess my decision is that I am not personally against the building fund but am currently investing in recovery and one-on-one ministers. I just can’t afford a building right now. Maybe others can.

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This is what you wrote in post 19

YOU WRITE #19 :   “All the translators translate with a bias that distorts God’s revelation.”

This isn’t true, nor is your comment in post #27:

YOU WRITE:   “I did not say a word about any inaccuracy in the original languages. I spoke about inaccuracies going from the original to English. That is called translation.”

You make these statements but you don’t back them up. I am very familiar with translations Tima, I know what translation means. I also know when people are ‘throwing around’ accusations which are not true.

Without knowing anything about our churches you make broad statements WITHOUT FACTS as in your post #27. When I see this, without facts or knowledge of my church or others, I see red flags everywhere. I’ve watched people make accusations against churches because they want to lead, they want to destroy without proof, what Believers in these churches are doing and what they believe straight from the Word of God.

Unless you can identify who is the offending church, speak ONLY FOR YOUR CHURCH and yourself.

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Outdeep
Praise God you turned on your mind to see the abuse masquerading as “godly leadership”. When our church put out the call for $8 million for a double sized gym (they already had a full sized gym), and the preacher preached on 2 Cor. 8 & 9 as the basis for “giving” for this; God turned the lights on. He rightly preached on the how and why of giving from this amazing passage on giving. What I realized is he completely left out the “where” of giving as taught here. The “where” of giving is the needs of others beyond you. If the $ don’t go beyond your “needs” and your kids, then it’s not giving. It’s pooling. The nature of giving is that it goes beyond you. Give to the local pregnancy center, home for abused women, rescue ministry, and even more important sending believers to reach those who have never heard.

What is powerful ministry? The more personal the contact – the more powerful the impact. “Small-fry” ministries are very personal contact focused. It has to be to reach the deep needs of our culture. Big building, crowd oriented gatherings are weak because they are mostly one-way communication and shallow, surface contact.

Karen o
It’s not what the church stresses. It’s what the people actually do that matters. Take a survey in your church and ask how many people are actively:
1. Examining the scriptures to test the pastor – that means going beyond the evidence he gives you. This is hard work but it’s what qualifies as a “noble” believer. Acts 17:11
2. How many believers have an active spiritual life Mon.- Sat. where they gather from God’s word and God’s work in their life and prepare to “spur” the saints on Sunday “on to greater love and good work”? Heb. 10:24,25.
If the results are more than 10%, I’ll stand corrected.

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Our church has always stressed the importance of personal Bible study & reflection, as well as prayer & seeking guidance from the Holy Spirit.

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