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Elbert Hubbard
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Franklin looks around. “I’m first?!”
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[Serious]
Some of my messages are serious. Some of my messages are sarcastic/satirical/humorous. Sometimes, I mix the two, which may not be a good idea. I will preface my messages with either [Serious] or [Satirical] to show my main intent.
Sometimes I refer to myself as an atheist. Strictly speaking, I consider myself an agnostic, but as my agnosticism is very close to atheism, for the sake of simplicity and brevity and showing the commentators here I most resemble and agree with, I will sometimes use “atheist” to describe myself.
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[Serious]
All human beings face certain basic questions, which can be stated several ways.
Why live? [Why not commit suicide?]
What is Good? [What is Evil?]
Why be Good? [Why not be Evil?]
Christians and atheists process these questions somewhat differently.
Christians believe God tells us what is Good and tells us to try and be Good, though we never can be Good enough. With Jesus’ sacrifice and assistance, we may achieve eternal life. In any case, the question is important because our eternal soul is at stake.
Unfortunately, some Christians [or people who called themselves Christians] have behaved in ways that seem evil, such as burning people at the stake, hanging people, and so on. In his book on genocide, Kiernan points out examples of people who called themselves Christians engaging in genocidal activities at various times in history in locations such as Ireland, Australia, the Caribbean, and America, claiming they were following God in their decisions and actions. [He points out similar behavior on the part of other religious and political groups. His book is not an attack on Christians in particular.]
Some Christians wonder if atheists can be good, or what motivation they would have for being good.
Atheists believe this life is the only life we have. Good atheists (by my standards], believe we should try to be good to make the best we can of this temporal span, and may be motivated by our capacity for empathy. Bad atheists [again by my standards] may do evil in error [believing they are doing good, or working for a greater good] or may do evil because they figure, as this is the only life we have, why not?, and because they lack empathy, or can only feel it for certain people.
Camus was a person who opposed evil in theory (arguing against fascism and communism), and in practice (working for the French Resistance during WW II.) At one time, he and Sartre were close friends, but they broke with each other, in part because of differences of opinion about communism.
Sartre opposed fascism, but more in theory than in practice. He came to support communism, which I regard as an evil doctrine, in particular Mao Zedong, but more in theory than in practice. I don’t know that Sartre had any actual blood on his hands.
Mao was [in my opinion] an evil man, perhaps the most evil man in history, though I don’t know how that can be measured. Certainly it can be said that he had a lot of blood on his hands, though I don’t know how many people he personally killed. Whether he thought of himself as good (doing violent deeds for a greater good) or thought of himself as evil (thinking, why not, there is no reward or punishment after this life?), I don’t know.
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[Serious]
Continuing my series on Ben Kiernan’s book on genocide: Blood and Soil,
A third feature he frequently finds in genocidal activity is racism. He argues, and I agree, that “race” is a social construction and not a useful predictor of behavior or abilities.
However, many people do perceive of racial groups or other classifications of groups as real, inferior, threatening, wicked, etc., and feel justified in attacking them. Anti-Semitism is perhaps the most notorious example, but genocidal persecutions can come from any group and be aimed at any group. For example, he points out that rebelling Indians in Peru and African slaves in Haiti committed genocidal massacres of European settlers and planters.
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Grass roots campaign? Or astroturfing? Looks like the latter. It also looks like the Obama campaign is behind the smears.
http://michellemalkin.com/2008/09/22/bloggers-sniff-out-anti-palin-astroturf-campaign-and-the-cover-up-begins/
The Jawa Report’s bottom line:
While not conclusive, evidence suggests a link to the Barack Obama campaign. Namely:
* Evidence suggests that a YouTube video with false claims about Palin was uploaded and promoted by members of a professional PR firm.
* The family that runs the PR firm has extensive ties to the Democratic Party, the netroots, and are staunch Obama supporters.
* Evidence suggests that the firm engaged in a concerted effort to distribute the video in such a way that it would appear to have gone viral on its own. Yet this effort took place on company time.
* Evidence suggests that these distribution efforts included actions by at least one employee of the firm who is unconnected with the family running the company.
* The voice-over artist used in this supposedly amateur video is a professional.
* This same voice-over artist has worked extensively with David Axelrod’s firm, which has a history of engaging in phony grassroots efforts, otherwise known as “astroturfing.”
* David Axelrod is Barack Obama’s chief media strategist.
* The same voice-over artist has worked directly for the Barack Obama campaign.
This suggests that false rumors and outright lies about Sarah Palin and John McCain being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe.
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[Satirical]
This suggests…not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the left wing fringe.]
The judge from Agnostica awards a 9.8 for a nicely done Damned with faint praise move.
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[Satirical but serious]
My offer still stands in regard to the genocide book. Read a chapter, post a brief comment demonstrating you read it, and I will follow your strictures of what you don’t want me to talk about for a week.
Adios is a commentator I respect and appreciate, and I take her comments addressed to me seriously. Although she took a slightly different tack than my suggestion–pointing out that many Christians work to oppose genocide and alleviate the hard done by it, I thought her comment was a worthy one, so I will award her the first agreement to obey.
Adios, if you read this, let me know what type of posts you don’t want me to make and I will follow your instructions for a week as best as I can. Of course, I may have planned not to do those posts anyway, but that’s the way the chips fall.
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Anyone tracking the poll that shows fully 1/3 of Democrats have unfavorable views of Obama due to his race? This from the party of Wallace, Faubus, and Ross Barnett. Race will divide us as long as a white woman like Obama’s mom can have a “black” son, but so far I’ve not heard anyone identify a white child born to a black woman. I won’t call the US racist but I agree with Charley Pride, we obsess way too much over this skin pigment nonsense.
WSJ’s Opinionjournal dotcom has a great story about how the Castros are rejecting US aid so long as the embargo is still on. Memo to Fidel: you can buy with cash all the medicine and food you want from Uncle Sam. Give our govt credit for declining to extend credit to at least those two deadbeats, Raul and Big Brother.
Finally I am asking ea of you for advice. My cousin’s son is in the Bradshaw state jail in Henderson Tx. What aside from the Bible would you all advise such a young man to read? Were you to offer advice to such a young man (who allegedly is the father of his “kinda wild” girlfriend’s 2 year old boy) what exactly would you say? This is his first out-of-home county incarceration. He will be put out in April (so he sez at least).
I have sent a few books via Amazon and he says he’s read them. I hope he passes them on to other inmates, guards etc
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That’s 5 Random. You only have 5 posts left now. Slow down, pace yourself.
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Great sermon at East Leesville Baptist yesterday. Guest speaker was SWBTS retired prof Dr Bill Toler. He launched into a great discourse on the probability for all the preconditions for life on earth to occur. Some of it you might already have heard:
Slight tilt of planet’s poles, a few extra feet of ocean water, as little as 20 feet high of additional surface dirt on the planet’s surface.. were any of these to happen life as we know it would not be possible on planet earth.
Dr Toler is 80+ yo but his mastery of facts and discipline at staying within the allotted time puts many to shame
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Sawgunner: the race question is important. Around here we’ve been handicapping it from 2% to 10%. The GOP state chairman is on record wanting to accent racial issues (thanks Saul!), but the evidence of racial voting and it’s impact is mixed. Put another way, strong black candidates get elected. At the end of the day, thats what i expect to happen.
For the reading list today:
Great article in the Washington Post — maybe all that algebra isn’t getting through. (What happens when we force everyone to take 8th grade algebra… is that the right policy?) Good stuff.
And at the WSJ (behind the paywall
) there’s a very important article about folks deferring medical expenses. What do you give up in a financial downturn, etc. very intriguing.
The day calls…
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St. Franklin: Enjoy your virtual cappuccino!
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Morning all.
I like today’s quote. I hope it’s true.
Looks like it’s going to be Tennessee again. The decision is 98% leaning in that direction. We just came home from a research trip to TN Amish Country. (I seem like Zsa Zsa Gabor in comparison).
But dear God, the UPHEAVAL!!! What a cocktail of mixed sensations and emotions. If our house would sell quickly, that would go a long way towards making this easier.
My 20 year old daughter doesn’t know if she’ll move with us or not. There is certainly a lot to hand over to God!
We’re such nomads…
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Interesting quote for today–I go back to work after my summer hiatus. The working day for us starts at 10 am PST.
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“Be pleasant until ten o’clock in the morning and the rest of the day will take care of itself.”
Hard advice to follow when your five-year-old wakes up with an attitude. Luckily I was able to pass him off on the teacher before I developed one myself.
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Okay Random, I have the book on request from the local library co-op.
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Anyone else see the poll on race in America? Of course the South is still stereotyped as being more prejudiced than the rest of the country. They are making an issue of race and saying that it could cause Obama the election. Interesting to me is that they are polling people in other areas of the country and still coming up with the same results. Whites think Blacks have all the opportunities as whites and that racism isn’t an issue. Blacks see it as just the opposite. It’s all about perception isn’t it?
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This quote reminds me of the prayer that reminds God about how the person has been pretty good with this and that and now they are going to get up!
EYG: We visited that part of TN last summer. It is a beautiful area and certainly interesting. I was unaware of the Amish being there at all. They have spread out into many pockets around the country.
My daughter lives near Spring Hill, a little farther north. It is also a beautiful area, but becoming more and more built up. I do love it there. She has lived all around the city.
Praying for wisdom for you!
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Oh, the nerve of those blacks.
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False rumors and outright lies about Barrack Obama being spread on the internet are being orchestrated by political partisans and are not an organic grassroots phenomenon led by the nutjob right wing fringe.
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AP News:
Sarah Palin’s Road to Nowhere Opens
Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin’s transportation department has completed a $25 million gravel road leading to the site of a bridge that Palin, as John McCain’s vice presidential candidate, now boasts that she stopped, so as to save taxpayers money. The road was built with federal tax dollars.
Ketchikan Mayor Bob Weinstein said the 3.2-mile road will be useful for road races, hunters and possibly future development. But with no bridge to serve it, that’s probably about it.
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Keep the astroturf and comment spam coming here where nobody cares. That way valuable swing votes elsewhere won’t be reading it.
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I’m being very disciplined about ignoring comment spam, and I’m much happier now.
But what I really wanted to say is this: “Astroturfing” gets my vote for New Word of the Year.
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More Dem dirty tricks.
http://wcbstv.com/local/clinton.palin.event.2.821565.html
Hillary Clinton won’t be speaking at Monday’s anti-Iran rally at the United Nations — and neither will Republican Sarah Palin or any other politicians for that matter.
The reason? A heated behind the scenes tug-of-war.
Sources tell CBS 2 HD that a decision to disinvite Palin from the high profile rally after Clinton pulled out in a huff came as the result of intense pressure from Democrats.
“This is insulting. This is embarrassing, especially to Gov. Palin, to me and I think it should be to every single New Yorker,” Assemblyman Dov Hikind, D-Brooklyn, told CBS 2 HD.
Sources say the axes were out for Palin as soon as Sen. Clinton pulled out because she did not want to attend the same event as the Republican vice presidential candidate.
“I have never seen such raw emotion — on both sides,” said someone close to the situation.
The groups sponsoring the rally against Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad speaking at the UN were reportedly told, “it could jeopardize their tax exempt status” if they had Palin and not Clinton or Democratic VP candidate Joe Biden on hand.
So all politicians were disinvited, most prominently, Palin.
“It’s an absolute shame that this has happened,” Hikind said. “To threaten organizations … to threaten the Conference of Presidents that if you don’t withdraw the invitation to Gov. Palin we’re going to look into your tax exempt status … that’s McCarthyism.”
And’
http://hotair.com/archives/2008/09/20/report-organizers-of-iran-rally-threatened-with-loss-of-tax-exempt-status-if-they-invited-palin/
NBC wrote about the tax-exemption issue two days ago but they made it sound like something the organizers had taken up of their own accord. Quote from an unnamed official involved: “The IRS is very clear, Hillary Clinton does not equal Sarah Palin… You have to have equal representation of candidates.” You do? Here’s the speaker list from last year’s anti-Iran rally at the UN. Scott Garrett is a Republican congressman; as far as I know, every other pol on the list is a Democrat. As for the Obama camp’s role in this, John Batchelor, who’s pals with rally organizer Malcolm Hoenlein, hints here that they weren’t directly involved in the nastiness because, as usual, they had surrogates willing to do their dirty work for them.
Change indeed!
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First things first today:
I’d like to announce the winner of last weekends “College Football Saturday” contest:
Peter L.!
He correctly guessed the results of all 5 games.
So Peter L., here is your hot off the campfire, warm, gooey, digital S’more – enjoy!
Look for this weeks contest on Friday’s “Whirled Views”.
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mmmm Peter L is a lucky guy!
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Japan’s Mitsubishi Financial Group is set to buy 20% of Morgan Stanley.
Never thought I’d see the day
“The move for the remaining independent brokerages to transition out of the Wall Street model marks a sharp turnaround from last week, when Goldman Sachs and Morgan Stanley repeatedly vowed that they would stick with the their model despite a growing pool of doubters following the bankruptcy protection filing last Monday of Lehman Brothers Holdings Inc. (LEHMQ) and the planned acquisition of Merrill Lynch & Co. (MER) by Bank of America Corp. (BAC).”
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Outkast says:
HRW, the fundamentals of the U.S. economy are still fine, and there’s till no reason for panic or whining. Senator McCain was correct when he made that statement, and his comment still holds true.
Our free-market economy will correct itself, as it always does.
This is great news, guys and gals! We’re going to save billions in bail out money! Get on the phone to the President, Outkast!
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Thanks, Anlir. It goes well with the rich cuppa joe I am enjoying.
Re: the quote– I doubt the author ever had to start his/her day in a high school classroom as the teacher especially on a Monday or during homecoming week (or both).
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A serious question for the Christians (unbelievers can answer, but I doubt you care): What is the most important thing about heaven that makes you want to go there? In order not to influence anyone, I will wait until tonight to post my answer to that question.
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Welcome to Part 3 of my 4-part series on why we should not return the Republicans to power in November. This particular essay will run from today through Friday.
As a reminder:
I’ve thought long and hard about what I wanted to say and why. Primarily, what I post will be rhetorical in nature to get my point across, not to argue with folks. In fact, it’s completely irrelevant whether anyone responds or not. (That’s not to say I won’t respond to what people say, it’s just not the purpose). As for why I’m writing this series, there are three reasons:
1. It’s to clarify in my mind exactly why I’m going to vote a particular way.
2. It’s being written for the passer-by who maybe is still debating as to which way they should vote in this election.
3. It’s my final chance before the election to respond to the 8 years of (mis)rule by the Republicans. I have no illusions that I can change anyone’s mind, especially the CCR’s.
The topics I’m going to write about were not picked out of a hat at random. I’ve kept a list over the last 6 months of things I wanted to cover. There were a ton of things that deserved recognition, but I was able to group them into 8 broader categories. Over a 4 week period I will give 4 reasons for why one should not reward the Republicans with another term of the Presidency. Then following 4 weeks after that I will give 4 reasons for why the Democrats should be given a chance to run the show. I didn’t want to be totally negative or totally positive, which is why I chose 4 positive themes and 4 negative themes.
Finally, I should note that these thoughts are my own, not copied from any partisan website or “talking points” memo.
With apologies to Random Name for stealing his “long form” discourse on here, it’s time to get on with the show:
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NEGLECT & COMPLACENCY
What can one say to the neglect and complacency of the last 8 years under the leadership of President Bush and the Republicans? While it’s true that all Presidents “inherit” problems left by their predecessor, the American people rightly expect the current occupant of the White House to do what he or she can to fix the problems and challenges that confront the nation. Doing nothing or (worse) letting the problems get worse, is not an acceptable form of governing. Alas, our current President and his Party have failed us in that regard. Here are some examples of their neglect and complacency:
Pre-9/11 Intelligence – The “warnings” were there, but they were ignored by the administration. To be fair – they were ignored by previous administrations, but 9/11 didn’t happen on their “watch”. It happened on Bush’s “watch”.
Hurricane Katrina – The defining symbol of an administration that “fiddled while Rome burned”. The Bush administration let one of our great American cities drown while they sat on the life preservers.
Dept. of Justice – Under Bush’s appointment of Alberto Gonzalez, the DOJ was set adrift, resulting in some real fiasco’s, including the corrupt hiring process for career attorneys, the decrease in litigation in civil rights, women’s rights, consumer protection, and corruption, and the firing of the 8 US Attorneys for political reasons. The DOJ became a “lap dog” for the President’s and Vice President’s political agenda.
Wall Street – The last 8 years of de-regulation of Wall Street by the Republicans is coming home to roost. What a mess!
The Economy – Home values are falling, we have an unemployment rate of 6.1% and climbing, and the price of everything skyrocketing. Bush seems weak and helpless in the face of the great difficulties facing us. Help me Jesus!
The Middle East – Bush’s presidency has been marked by doing almost nothing toward pushing the Palestinians and the Israeli’s toward a peace agreement.
Health Care – With the bondoogle of the Medicare Prescription Act (a financial “gift” to the drug manufacturers), with more Americans uninsured than when he first took office, and the Republican’s & Bush’s uncaring veto of the S-CHIP program (insurance for children), we have the classic Republican response to the American people’s suffering: “We don’t care!”
The Environment/Global Warming – A quick summary of the philosophy of Bush and his fellow Republicans on the environment and global warming: Deny. Deny. Deny. And if that fails, chance the scientific reports.
Energy – “Drill Baby Drill!” is the sum total of the energy policy of Bush and the Republicans. Given that Bush, Cheney, and the Republicans are “BFF’s” with the oil industry, did we really expect anything else? There has been no serious plan put forward by Bush and the Republicans to wean us off our addiction to oil. When Bush took office, gas was about $1.50 a gallon. Now it’s $4.50. “Thanks for nothing!” is what the American people say to that.
Pakistan & Afghanistan – Ignored and mishandled while the President fiddled away in Iraq. Now both countries have a growing radical movement within their borders. In Bush’s zeal to get rid of Saddam, he all but ignored the growing mess in Afghanistan and Pakistan. Now, we’re realized that this is where the real fight against terrorism and extremism needs to be waged. Iraq was a distraction from the more serious problem.
Social Security & Medicare – The President’s and the Republican’s goal of destroying Social Security and Medicare has moved several steps closer by their financial neglect over the last 8 years. They are all to happy to do nothing if that’s what it takes to make the two social safety nets implode. Bush’s only plan was to privatize Social Security and transfer billions of assets to Wall Street. It’s a good thing that didn’t happen!
Enough!
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No more tears, no more pain, Jesus.
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Peter L,
Full communion with the King of Kings, Lord of Lords, great I AM.
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I didn’t know there were Amish in TN either — I visited Amish country in Ill some years back, loved the sounds of the horses clip-clopping along.
Speaking of which (sorta): I saw a news story this weekend about how the new hybrid cars are so quiet they’re posing a danger to blind or visually impaired pedestrians who can’t hear them.
One suggestion was to put speakers under the hood (seriously) that play the sound of clip-clopping horses.
I’d like to get that installed on my Jeep Liberty, even though it’s not even a hybrid.
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The Economy – Home values are falling, we have an unemployment rate of 6.1% and climbing, and the price of everything skyrocketing. Bush seems weak and helpless in the face of the great difficulties facing us. Help me Jesus!
John ‘Deregulation’ McCain will be more of the same.
Joblessness Rising in 12 Battleground States for Obama, McCain
“Voters will be frustrated with the status quo, and Democrats have a better chance at making the argument that they are willing to use government to alleviate the pain,” said Julian E. Zelizer, a professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University. “Republicans have more trouble singing the populist song, and it is their guy who is in charge as the economy stumbles.”
In the latest Gallup Inc. tracking poll, Obama led Republican nominee John McCain 49 percent to 44 percent, after trailing by 2 percentage points just a week earlier.
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Peter L – I’ll be with Jesus.
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Last week McInsane appeared on Miami’s Spanish language radio station and rattled the sabers against our ally, Spain. It’s also of note that he thinks Spain is a Latin American nation
Senator Obama had his turn and did very well. This could really help in Florida.
“Of course. Spain is a NATO ally, and the fact that Senator McCain indicated that he might not meet with Zapatero I think indicates that he wants to continue the Cheney policies of trying to dictate American foreign policy instead of trying to build cooperation. I think that’s a mistake.”
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McCain is such a maverick!
Loan Titans Paid McCain Adviser Nearly $2 Million
Senator John McCain’s campaign manager was paid more than $30,000 a month for five years as president of an advocacy group set up by the mortgage giants Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac to defend them against stricter regulations, current and former officials say.
“The value that he brought to the relationship was the closeness to Senator McCain and the possibility that Senator McCain was going to run for president again,” said Robert McCarson, a former spokesman for Fannie Mae, who said that while he worked there from 2000 to 2002, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac together paid Mr. Davis’s firm $35,000 a month.
Thanks, but no thanks to more of the McSame.
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I echoe Mumsee. To be with God himself where there is no sin means there will be no injustice, no pain, no tears. How wonderful!!
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Alaska Senator Ted Stevens, a vocal supporter of Sarah McPalin, begins his corruption trial today in Washington.
Going to be tough to campaign for reelection in Alaska, but as one of the most corrupt members of the Senate Alaskans will still probably vote for him!
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It’s also of note that he thinks Spain is a Latin American nation.
That’s not as bad as your contention that Texas is not part of the U.S.
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I understand that the Obama campaign is airing negative ads because the McCain family owns 13 cars.
I don’t entirely understand this.
I myself own five vehicles (not counting farm equipment). They have a combined mileage of almost a million miles (two round trips to the moon and back). They all run and are legal. The newest looks okay except for dirt and mud from the county roads. The oldest is held together by baling wire (literally). It has a bad vacumn leak, such that I am the only human being on the planet that knows how to successfully drive it from point A to point B.
My neighbor owns nine vehicles; all operable. Two of them actually have legal license plates at any given time. A couple of them are very acoustically robust as well. You can hear them coming from three miles away, which is a feature lacking in most modern cars, I have noticed.
Then another neighbor owns around twenty vehicles, most of which are probably not operable since they are upside down in his creek or scattered throughout the timber, in various states of automotive dissolution.
Anyway, owning thirteen vehicles does not seem out of line, at least where I live.
So how many cars does Obama own?
I take it not quite as many as thirteen?
Perhaps the better question to ask would be this; exactly how many cars did the Chicago mob buy for Obama? Or does the mob just help Obama with real estate – maybe the Chicago mob does not reward its kept politicians with mere automobiles – maybe an upscale mansion is the bottom price for a Chicago politico these days?
It sure would be great if I had friends in the Chicago mob like Obama. Then I could own a mansion too, interest-free, practically.
Instead I’m stuck in this dump.
But I do have five vehicles.
And some tractors that occassionally work.
And at least six wheel barrows, although two of them have flat tires and another is useless, because two of our cats sleep in it.
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43. Not only that, we’re capitalist. We don’t have a problem with people being rich, as long as they got there honestly.
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Anyone wonder why there is an increase in Terrorist activity overseas? I just found this article which really is starting to make sense:
http://www.nysun.com/foreign/spies-warn-that-al-qaeda-aims-for-october-surprise/86326/
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“What is the most important thing about heaven that makes you want to go there?”
Scripture talks about a final resurrection and Revelation depicts a new heaven and a new earth and a New Jerusalem coming down to earth, but nowhere in the Bible is there anything about Christians “going to heaven.” Paul talks about things stored in heaven for us. I have things in storage now but I don’t ever plan on living in my stepson’s garage.
The intermediate state (personal eschatology, life after death prior to the Resurrection) lacks clear definition in the Bible. All we know is that there will be some sort of personal consciousness post death and until the resurrection of all flesh. The blessed Hope is our physical resurrection in glorified bodies to dwell on a restored earth. God the Creator pronounced His creation good and all creation groans for its redemption. the popular mythology about “going to heaven” is inconsistent with a thoroughly Biblical theology.
If heaven means the fullness of the Kingdom of God and the blessings of His eternal and immediate presence, absent sin and suffering, that reign in its totality is of supreme importance and not divisible into discrete parts. But it comes to us, as we are raised on the Last Day; it is not some secret spiritual place where we will live a disembodied seraphic eternity.
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What am I looking forward to in heaven…hmm. Well, first off I’ve got some questions. Why are humans so in-humane? There are more but you’ve put me on the spot. I figure, I will check in with God, just because. I’m sure He’ll already know I’m there. Probably be too stunned to ask all the questions I have, so I will wander off and see my grandpa that I haven’t seen since 1983. Then I am going to find my daddy and see how things have been going for him, then I will find my father in law and see if heaven has beer, because surely HE will know.
(If this appears irreverent so be it…it’s a long way from the fear of God I grew up with)
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“So how many cars does Obama own?”
1
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“We don’t have a problem with people being rich, as long as they got there honestly.”
Yup. And cheating on and dumping your wife for a beer heiress is honest
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Lumpy McCain and his wife were already seperated when he met his second wife. A lot of marriages broke up after the spouse came home from Vietnam. He might not have been the man she married and in the time he was gone she might have grown and changed. Perhaps she was the one who wanted out. The only people who really know what happened are he and the first Mrs. McCain.
I usually am not quite this rude, but truly don’t go away mad just go away. At least for a day.
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It looks like the nearly trillion dollar tax-payer funded bailout is to include Republican lobbyist Phil Gramm’s Swiss Bank UBS.
Phil Gramm is John McCain’s economic adviser who called Americans a bunch of whiners.
Funny how that works.
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Ken I appreciate what you wrote. That actaully is the best interpretation of what will happen…
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Kim-
Not sure where you got that idea. McCain had the marriage license for wife #2 while he was still legally married to wife #1.
In his 2002 memoir, “Worth the Fighting For,” McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.
“I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow,” McCain wrote. “I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980.”
An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had “cohabited” until Jan. 7 of that year — or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.
Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.
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49. Did Cindy do anything illegal to get it?
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KI, Thanks.
All: The decision has been made. We’re going. Now begins the transition.
Re: No more tears.
Amen and Alleluia. We are told that what we are enduring now is nothing compared to the glory that lies ahead. Heaven is going to be wonderful. I can only imagine.
But, it’s not our final destination: The new Earth is.
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You know who the richest member in Congress is? It is not McCain. It is Kerry.
http://www.rollcall.com/features/Guide-to-Congress_2008/guide/28506-1.html?type=printer_friendly
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You know, smear campaigns don’t do anything to make me want to vote for the candidate whose supporters are doing the smearing. If anything, it makes me figure that smear is the only tactic in the arsenal of a fearful campaign and it’s supporters. It makes you look worse than the guy you’re trying to smear. Makes me more likely to vote for the guy getting smeared.
In fact, we have a candidate running for an office in my town. For the past month I have been hearing nothing but smears against him paid for by the Democrats. I don’t even know who this guy is running against because there has been nothing coming out of that campaign but attack ads. Finally, over the weekend I heard a campaign ad that even tells us who the Democrat is. Based on his tactics and the tactics of his supporters, I won’t be voting for him.
If more people feel the way I do about this kind of thing, the smears from the left from the astroturfing comment spammers and their ilk just might tip the scales in the other direction. I’d love to see the smears backfire in a big way.
Woo-Hoo!
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Joe B – That’s different! He’s a Democrat. He’s allowed to be rich.
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Lumpy at #21;
So do you have anything to back your claim? Or is it just more of the same from you? Do you have proof like I provided in #6, or is it just wishful thinking? You allege it, where is your proof? Yeah, thought so.
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I agree Klasko. I am sick of seeing and reading negativity. I come here for a sense of community and to share thoughts and ideas with people I might not necessarily meet in my day to day life…oops I just answered Random’s question…
I actually found myself being rude around here lately
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Ken – what about when Jesus, dying on the cross, tells one of the thieves, “today you will be with me in paradise.” Doesn’t that imply that believers will be in heaven with Jesus immediately? Sure, we are told there will be a new heaven and new earth, but that doesn’t mean there isn’t a “current” heaven, does it?
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Ken, thanks for the reminder about a new earth inhabited by resurrected saints partaking in Christ’s glory. In all fairness, tho, Peter L is most likely using the popular term, and I did not discern in his question or in the several answers so far any sense of expecting to float around in the clouds.
Anyway, I agree with all the answers so far, and add that I’ve been seeing the fullness of the Kingdom more and more lately as something like a great reunion — and banquet! — of all members of the Father’s household from all ages. I for one will be thrilled with meeting my children’s children’s children’s children (if the Lord tarries) and the great cloud of faithful ancestors whose stories of deliverance from the kingdom of darkness I never had the chance to hear. (To say nothing of the uncountable brothers and sisters who have nothing to do with my particular ancestry; I’ve just been fascinated lately with how the covenant of grace has worked out in family lines)
Whatever it will be like, it will be greater and higher and deeper than we can imagine in our present condition. I think John Piper wrote something like how it actually will take an eternity to unpack the fullness of the riches of the blessings God has for those who love Him.
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Klasko and Stubob,
There are plenty of allegations from BO “08 out there, but most of it is just smoke. When you look, and more is becoming apparent everyday, BO is just spouting nonsense, and McCain is telling the truth. Bo’s got nothing, and McCain is hammering with facts, of course Lumpy just throws out personal stuff, it’s obvious who’s desperate here. Give the Lumpy one credit, he’s tryin’. Add that to the number of Dems who will vote against Obama because he’s black, and McCain wins by at least 10%. That’s what’s got Lumpy so aggitated. He can’t help it. He knows McCain will win, he can’t yet accept it. I’m hoping he’ll be so embarresed that he’ll just disappear.
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Kim: What am I looking forward to in heaven…..then I will find my father in law and see if heaven has beer, because surely HE will know.
*sigh* I am quite dismayed at Kim not knowing that all popular polka: In heaven there is no beer. That’s why we drink it here! And when we’re gone from heeeere, our friends will be drinking all the beer! *wink* Leave it to me to marry a polish gal.
Peter L @ 31: What is the most important thing about heaven that makes you want to go there?
I want to be with Jesus Christ…….the one who’s life changed mine, the one who’s death on the cross makes me live!! The book of Revelation ends with a glorious glimpse of this place called Heaven. It is to be an encouragement for all believers around the world, knowing we will see our relatives / friends / famous folks / and aquaintences who accepted Jesus as their Savior. Yes, I believe it is a biblical concept to yearn for Heaven and ALL its blessings!
Peter, that is one of the most important questions I have seen asked on World on the Web. I appreciate you and the way you think.
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Being a Vietnam Vet Klasko, I am not fond of either Kerry or Jane Fonda.
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RR thanks for mentioning the banquet you envision. That was one of the most comforting things Pastor said at my dads memorial service. Heaven will be a feast and we will be in communion with everyone else there. My dad loved to eat. For the last 10 or 15 years of his life he had diabetes and couldn’t eat like he wanted all the time. Esophogeal cancer got him. He had not been able to eat solid food since May 2 nor drink anything towards the end. The vision of my father in heaven at a banquet, eating what he wants is one of the most comforting thoughts for me. I can tell you his order…ribeye – rare, baked potato -butter, sour cream and chives and bacon if you’ve got it, and a BIG salad with bleu cheese dressing and lemon meranque pie for dessert. Thousand wonders his heart didn’t get him first! Oh and could the man pack away some breakfast! Eggs. bacon or sausage, cathead biscuits, sliced tomatos or tomato gravy and coffee.
Yeah, heaven will be joyful!!!!
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Klasko writes: “You know, smear campaigns don’t do anything to make me want to vote for the candidate whose supporters are doing the smearing.”
Hear, hear! I was astonished to read the post about McCain’s vehicles — who in their right mind would spend money on a commercial about how many cars he owns? And more to the point, how stupid do they think people are?
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The ad about the number of cars McCain owns is even dumber than accusing him of not knowing how many homes he owns. Who cares? He can have 200 cars, so long as he bought them legally. In my estimation, the only people who can actually run for President are the wealthy – who else could get budgets like that? That includes Obama, much as he would prefer to be thought of as “one of the little guys.” Please. I wasn’t able to attend an Ivy League school.
As for heaven – I too look forward to wonderful food. All the chocolate I can eat!
And I most look forward to no more sickness, sadness and death. I can finally be with my family and loved ones without all these nasty distractions!
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I just saw a new McCain commercial linking Obama to Fannie Mae’s Johnson, how much money this guy made on the current mess, how he helped to select Biden. It’s short and sweet, and hits home. Last time around we had very few Republican commercials in this area. (This, of course, amuses me no end.)
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correction on my #35 post: that should have been the smart (electric) cars, not hybrids.
And in heaven + the new earth someday? None of that will matter.
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I own a 0.23% stake in a freestanding surgery center. Because of this, I have to have pre-surgical patients sign a form disclosing that I have an ownership in the surgery center, and explaining that they can go somewhere else if they don’t like it.
I was a little concerned about patients’ responses when I first had to have them sign. I needn’t have worried. The first patient I gave the form to asked, “You own part of the Surgery Center?”
“Um, well, yes I do.”
“Good for you!” she said, reaching for my pen.
That’s how I feel about McCain’s cars and houses: Good for him.
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StuBob, it tells me that you have an interest in making sure the surgery “goes well,” if you get my drift. You’ll be keeping an eye on your investment.
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The 50 Richest Members of Congress
September 22, 2008, 12:00 a.m.
By Paul Singer, Jennifer Yachnin and Casey Hynes
Roll Call Staff
1. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.)
$230.98 million
2. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.)
$225.96 million
3. Rep. Darrell Issa (R-Calif.)
$160.62 million
4. Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D-W.Va.)
$80.40 million
5. Rep. Robin Hayes (R-N.C.)
$78.96 million
6. Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.)
$65.49 million
7. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.)
$55.33 million
8. Sen. Dianne Feinstein (D-Calif.)
$52.34 million
9. Sen. Edward Kennedy (D-Mass.)
$47.62 million
10. Sen. Gordon Smith (R-Ore.)
$28.65 million
11. Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas)
$23.93 million
12. Rep. Rodney Frelinghuysen (R-N.J.)
$22.41 million
13. Sen. John McCain (R-Ariz.)
$19.64 million
The 50 Richest Members of Congress
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Notice Senator John McCain is number 13 on the list above.
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Who knows why Morgan Stanley and Goldman want to convert from being investment banks to full service banks like CitiBank and Wells Fargo?
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It is good to see the shorts getting the life squeezed out of them today in the oil market too. Hopefully, it will kill them finciallyh adn we won lt have these speculators messing around making money off other peoples problems.
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Llama
They probably want to position themselves to purchase pools of residential and commercial mortgages to profit from the turn around when it comes.
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Llama: Doesn’t that mean they can get money to lend from the Fed?They will be regulated differently, but they have access to money.
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Victoria,
McCain would be at least #6 if he did not have a preNuptial that excludes him from his wife’s assets she inherited.
What is your anti rich point again?
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#21 Lumpy,
Tell us all you ara really a libertarian again. I could us a laugh
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Llama
I don’t have an “anti rich point” so whats your point? If you had read my posts on this subject you would be aware that I point out often that those who have money – own business create jobs, etc for vast amounts of people.
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Victoria: Thanks for that list. It is quite interesting.
I still worry about John McCain having to keep 13 vehicles running, though. That’s alot of vehicles. You end up spending all your time changing oil, fixing this, fixing that, keeping the mice from building their nests on the air filters, stuff like that. When is he ever going to have time to actually do Presidential business?
Now Obama is different. He has only one car. And he can always call his buddies in the Chicago mob (they have a heck of a protection racket there I understand) to get him service for free at some gas station somewhere. So he would have more time to do Presidential stuff.
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The Democrat Socialists are trying to limit the amount of salary that a CEO can make if the US has to buy their bad CMD paper. They want to use the $400,000 the president makes as the limit saying that no one in proivate industry should make nore the than teh president.
Well, since our elected officials put us into a $10 trillion debt and are going to put us another trillion in debt most likely, I say we limit their pay to no more than the the average income for a median US houshold of $31,987 – until the entire US debt is eliminated.
Lets see how these Marxists like socialism then?
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Llama: Godlumps is not a Libertarian. He knows absolutely nothiing about Libertarianism – every position he hold is antithetical to Libertarianism. He is Libertarian like the Pope is a Buddhist.
He is a Democrat spamming operative. He gets his load of . . . well, you know what, everyday from the Daily Kos and the Huffington Post (or their media auxilaries/outlets) and then backs it up and dumps it on these threads, attempting to shut down dialog and discussion by the sheer amount of spam/slander/lies he spreads about.
He has become such a nuisance that most people are just scrolling past his spams – sooner or later I would think WMB would clamp down on him, but I am not holding my breath. They are much politer people than I.
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Re: Heaven
I have always looked forward to getting the inside scoop on the events of Scripture from the guys that were there. Now, as I get older, the no sickness or pain is sounding better and better. Being a missionary, I am looking forward to being surprised by people in heaven that I didn’t know were going to be there. But what I am looking forward to most is being with Jesus face to face and not having to constantly battle with sin, my own or other people’s.
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Since it has become clear that the socialsits will not be able to raise taxes if they are elected, in order to raise the $1 trillion necessary to bail us out of this financial mess, it is clear the government will have to print more worthless dollars to pay for the bail out. Now that this is clear, the dollar is in a freefall today and we will see if we can get through the day without the dollar collapsing completely. With the left trying to drive the dollar to zero like they did CMB’s where can you go for a flight to quality – gold. Bet it was up big today right? Yep 5%
Thank you Lord.
Lefties are idiots when it comes to finance. Hope you don’t die.
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OIL JUMPS RECORD $25; TO $130/BARREL…
$130/BARREL
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A change of subject for those of you who get tired of the constant political bickering, I have a question for you cat people out there. I have a cat, but I’m not a cat person, so my experience with cats is limited at best. My cat has recently started spooking at the least little thing. Last night she about panicked at a leaf (it was just sitting there) in the door jam, first attacking it, then running away hissing and growling. She has attacked other inanimate objects as well, but not in a playful way. She has never really been playful. She is a hunter, so her first instinct when seeing something unusual is to go in to stalking mode, but her behavior has been strange for a few months now. Is there an illness that does this? Early onset kitty alzheimer’s? (She’s 8 years old.) She has had her shots and she was fixed as a kitten so I don’t think it’s hormones. Any ideas??? If she’s just weird, I can live with that.
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VIctoria,
So what is your point then?
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#87 Victoria,
October closed at $120.92 and November is at $109 What is your point in calling it $130 again?
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Llama 90 – that is what is being reported on the news NOW!
89 – My point in posting the richest in the Senate? Because it’s of interest — The endless nasty comments regarding McCain’s money is old –
Do you still have a problem with my posting the info, or a point to make?
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Llama, I should clarify the NEWS now reports that oil is $130 a BARREL-
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#84 Drill,
No, I think that WM may agree with lumpy. Young religious folks are lefties pretty much and WM is now pretty much on the young side. They are adding real journalists like crazy and WM is populated with journalists – and most of them ar lefties too. Some are buying Prius cars for heavens sake
You have heard how Obama has convinced the young religious (once on the right) to become lefties, especially the old evangelical right. They really think that the left and their insane green ideas, are better for them even though the left wants to kill them all in the end. It must not be close enough to the end for them
I’m donating to Wounded Warrior and Frazier House this year exclusively. Can’t support the fake religious left and we do not know where WM is today.
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Llama – 79
YOU WROTE: “What is your anti rich point again?”
I didn’t make one, so whats yours?
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Chas,
I saw your comments from Saturday’s Whirled Views that your monitor appears to be going out.
Do you live near a large university? I live close to Ohio State and they often have 17″ CRT monitors available for $10-$25.
If you are looking for a low-cost option, this might work for you.
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After promising and proposing an additional 1$ trillion dollars in additional spending – to get nominated over Hillary. Obama just announced, you better be sitting down, that he will have to forget raising taxes on the rich, that he will concentrate on cutting federal spending drastically – to get elected. Now that he has converted to card carrying conservative republican – I will have to consider him for president to be fair decent and honest, but will have to see who promises to cut federal spending more the Messiah or McCain.
Since lefties lie pathologically all the time, and Obama was one just a minute ago, I guess I will have to go for our McCain this time but if Obama announces he his Republican I will give him serious thought if he votes like one.
LOLOLOLOLOL. You got to love these children – they will say things that will surprise the heck out of their mothers.
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Which whack jobs think this $700 Billion Bailout will actually unfreeze the credit markets now that the bond markets are frozen too? Who gets the government money? Will their balance sheets be better? IF so, why would they loan money to people when they can put the capital into treasuries instead? Who out there is clamoring for money to borrow? As far as I know the only ones wanting to barrow money are the banks and financial institutions whose CMB are no worth zero.
How is the economy going to be stimulated when no American wants to buy a home or car or anything else right now or for the foreseeable future? At least there will be money to borrow if banks don’t buy Euros with the new capital in a flight to safety themselves. Thankfully no one wants to borrow it anyhway.
Looks like the lefties are really bailing out the EURO adn other foreign currencies to me. you goit to love them.
What idiots.
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Drill, the lefties just want to take 12 vehicles away from McCain =n to give to poor democrats as is their confiscation of wealth from those that have it to give to those that do not.
They will be coming after your nine soon enough – but they might take your house too adn give it to someone else. You are a conservative Christian and fair game. Many poor democrats just had their houses foreclosed on by the bank. But now that the banks will be owned by the federal government, these poor democrats are being foreclosed on by their own democratic elected officials. The governmtnwill have to take your house away to give to these poor homeless people.
You got to love it.
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Victoria,
I don’t know where you are but the oil marklet has been closed for a while and the $130 you quote was short lives and happend many hours ago. It;s just a short squeeze which is good. Speculators should be punished enough every now adn then to make them cautious, more conservative and keep them from manipulating, markets simply becsue of their own greed.
I just wanted to know why you made your posts when you did.
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Llama at #83. My laugh for the day, but I won’t hold my breath!
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Llama 99
I’m not a novice in finance. I don’t need you to explain the markets to me. I made my post when I did, because it was reported on the NEWS which was International.
You still haven’t answered my post 94 – perhaps when you finish your rant and calm down…………
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The democratic congress did nothing over the weekend or today for thjat matter – just like they have done nothing since they were elected two years ago. The market crashed out another 380 points today as a result. The market didn’t like what they were hearing obviously. By the time these socialists do anything worth doing we will all be dead – but that is their plan. Wall Street thinks what they are planning to do is just plain awful though.
Killing you must be the left’s plan. Just look at what has happened to you in the real world since they were elected to take care of you two years ago – and I would ignore their claims otherwise – they lie like dogs.
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Ajisuun, cats are hunters. She is just keeping her skills up and playing. Or she might just be weird.
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#63 AJ – Do you reall think Lumpy will disappear when the election is over. Would that it were true! Especially if McCain wins, He’ll be on here every day spamming us about every little think he can find to gripe about and pin on McCain or Palin for the next 4 years.
Or at least until another Republican runs for president – then he’s be spamming about them too.
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#65 Joe B – We’re not fans at our house either.
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Ajisuun, what’s the weather like where you are? Are the seasons changing? My cat went nutsy, crazy, cuckoo last week when the weather turned to Fall. My first cat used to run up the staircases from the basement to the second floor a couple times at about 100 miles per hour. Then he’d stop and just look at us. As he aged his nutsiness what an arched back and a skip. I used to say it happens every spring, it happens every fall.
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… WAS an arched back….
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A word of warning to the wise. Since the lefties in control of our economy will not act soon, if you own a REIT you better be careful. These instumetns were not on the no short list adn they wee under attack today. They haave huge needs for capital as their financing on major commerical property rotates and comes due in the normal course of business.
Since they cannot raise capital in the normal markets or borrow money now, they may be forced to sell assets at huge losses to raise the capital they need to finance theor other properties. When all REIT’s have to do this at the same time, the commerical real estate market is at great risk.
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Well, I’m glad you were not going to criticize McCain for being rich. My point was to stop you from doing so.
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“I say we limit their pay to no more than the the average income for a median US houshold of $31,987 – until the entire US debt is eliminated.”
Absolutely!
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AJ-
You link up a hit piece by Michelle “Our Lady of Internment Camps” Malkin and call that supporting something?
thank you for the good humor!
KBells suggested John McSame came by his money honestly, and I say that isn’t exactly the case, and so far as I know he is still lying about how he cheated on and left wife #1 for wife #2. Sure, he didn’t rob someone, but he did just as I said up above. Add it to the long list of lies and misdirections that are John McCain, and you kids, the loyal McSamers, lap it up like kitties at the milk bowl running misdirection and fake outrage all along the way.
John McCain was a POW! How dare you tell the truth about him!
First story when you google McCain marriage license:
McCain’s broken marriage fractured other ties as well
The nature and timing of his divorce from Carol Shepp alienated key friends – and his version doesn’t always match that in court documents.
Outside her Bel-Air home, Nancy Reagan stood arm in arm with John McCain and offered a significant – but less than exuberant – endorsement.
“Ronnie and I always waited until everything was decided, and then we endorsed,” the Republican matriarch said in March. “Well, obviously this is the nominee of the party.” They were the only words she would speak during the five-minute photo op.
In a written statement, she described McCain as “a good friend for over 30 years.” But that friendship was strained in the late 1970s by McCain’s decision to divorce his first wife, Carol, who was particularly close to the Reagans, and within weeks marry Cindy Hensley, the young heiress to a lucrative Arizona beer distributorship.
The Reagans rushed to help Carol, finding her a new home in Southern California with the family of Reagan aide Edwin Meese III and a series of political and White House jobs to ease her through that difficult time.
McCain, who is about to become the GOP nominee, has made several statements about how he divorced Carol and married Hensley that conflict with the public record.
In his 2002 memoir, “Worth the Fighting For,” McCain wrote that he had separated from Carol before he began dating Hensley.
“I spent as much time with Cindy in Washington and Arizona as our jobs would allow,” McCain wrote. “I was separated from Carol, but our divorce would not become final until February of 1980.”
An examination of court documents tells a different story. McCain did not sue his wife for divorce until Feb. 19, 1980, and he wrote in his court petition that he and his wife had “cohabited” until Jan. 7 of that year – or for the first nine months of his relationship with Hensley.
Although McCain suggested in his autobiography that months passed between his divorce and remarriage, the divorce was granted April 2, 1980, and he wed Hensley in a private ceremony five weeks later. McCain obtained an Arizona marriage license on March 6, 1980, while still legally married to his first wife.
Until McCain filed for divorce, the Reagans and their inner circle assumed he was happily married, and they were stunned to learn otherwise, according to several close aides.
“Everybody was upset with him,” recalled Nancy Reynolds, a top aide to the former president who introduced him to McCain.
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Guys and gals,
It’s a shame that with all the huge profits from deregulation and tax cuts for the already wealthy, most Americans are making less now than we were when Bush took office.
HOUSEHOLD INCOME UP SLIGHTLY IN 2007, BUT DOWN SINCE 2000:
Highlights from the Census Bureau’s Update on Household Income in the United States
American families are experiencing very difficult economic times – the toughest in terms of stagnant incomes since World War II. Real median household income is 0.6 percent lower in 2007 than it was at the end of the 1990s. Even though incomes grew by 1.3 percent ($665 ) between 2006 and 2007, this was not enough to make up for prior years’ income losses. Since the Bush administration took office there has been a large increase in income inequality, with the poorest households’ income declining even as the richest households’ incomes rise. The data confirm that the vast majority of Americans have not benefited from economic growth over the past seven years.
National:
Income inequality has risen during Bush’s presidency. While real median income for households near the top of the income distribution rose during the Bush years, incomes at the middle and the bottom fell. Median income fell 0.6 percent ($324) from 2000 to 2007. Income at the lowest 20th percentile fell by 6.0 percent ($1,285) and at the 10th percentile by 4.5 percent ($579).
Thanks, but no thanks, to John McSame.
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Why do we think the Bush Administration would argue against preserving their legacy? I bet the shredders are running around the clock right now.
AP NEWS- A federal judge on Saturday ordered Dick Cheney to preserve a wide range of the records from his time as vice president.
The decision by U.S. District Judge Colleen Kollar-Kotelly is a setback for the Bush administration in its effort to promote a narrow definition of materials that must be safeguarded under by the Presidential Records Act.
The Bush administration’s legal position “heightens the court’s concern” that some records may not be preserved, said the judge.
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Godlumps.
I would’t believe the census data. People lie when the government asks them questions.
it is better to get the real data, which is truthful, from the Businesses and governments that are paying people and are forced by law under penalty of prison to report the real data to the IRS, Social Security and Medicare. They have current data that shows you are nuts and I beleikve them
No one ever uses census data to anything since it so wrong all the time. You know that right? You would do better using DNC talking points or blogs spots for the DailyKos. I mean, they aren’t paying you for nothing, you libertarian you
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Now we can’t trust the Census under Bush either? Such a cynical Bushie!
Ruin the government with cronies and corruption, then complain it doesn’t work?
Very sad, Llama.
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Are guys named Tucker misspelling their names?
Here is Tucker Bounds refusing to put down rumors that Phil Gramm of Swiss Bank UBS (they are lobbying for $Billions from the $700 Billion Bush Bailout program) will not be named Secretary of the Treasury in a McSame Administration. If he won’t be, why not just say it and move on? He parses his words too carefully, so he can’t be accused of lying later. Gramm will be Secretary of the Treasury. Wonderful. Just what we need is the guy who had a hand in the meltdown running things.
Thanks, but no thanks, to John McSame
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Another thing I look forward to in heaven are the stories of what God did in their lives. Many of these stories are amazing now. It will be interesting to see how everything fits in God’s plan.
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It looks like the highest ranking woman democrat on the planet is also the most bigoted, anti woman and women discriminator on the planet as well.
Hillary refused to appear with Palin and give her anti Ahmadinejad speech today when she found out that Palin would also be appearing and speaking at this rally.
Hillary really needs to talk to Wee Willy before making a fool out of herself, making socialistes look like the discriminators that they are and turning off American women everywhere.
Bill would not only have shown up, he would have made a very nice speech, complimented Palin graciously in public and tried to pick her up privately afterward too
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Ajisuun,
I once had a cat that suddenly started spooking at nothing, evidently hallucinating. We’d had her for a long time before and she hadn’t been that way. We even wondered if she might have bitten in to an extension cord and been shocked, but couldn’t find evidence of that. Someone suggested she might be allergic to the chemicals in her flea collar. We took the collar away and that cured her. In those days, there wasn’t much other solution to fleas. We had to rub flea powder on her periodically, and pick off the fleas as they emerged. She hated the process and so did we. Then she had to be brushed thoroughly to get the powder out.
Fortunately, these days there are systemic flea drops. We tried Hartz on my more recent cat, and the fleas continued so bad he was biting herself till he bled. But after obtaining a higher priced concoction from a vet, the fleas stayed gone. Relief for both us and the cat! Of course, the cat didn’t happen to be one that was allergic to the skin-drops, or ever showed hallucinatory or spooking at nothing behavior.
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Llama-
Why would Hillary want to lend any credibility to the former mayor of Wasilla, where they charged rape victims to gather evidence of the crime?
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WOW ,the party that promised to clean up the earmark mess, but hasn’t had the courage to do so yet, just can’t seem to find the self control, shame and satisfaction to not load up the finance crisis bill with billion in pork and earmarks. All of this while the US financial markets melt down and these liars do nothing but add pork to a bill that needed passing today – not next week.
These people are unconscionable, vile and despicable. Even the country itself, being brought to its knees, is not important enough to them to fix when pnly nthey can do teh fixing. The country certainly is not as important as ther failed ideology to them. Is there nothing they will not politicize? I guess not after what they did as the Iraq war was raging.
Well, We asked for it. Never ever trust your life or money to a lefty.
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Pelosi said she is not sending blank check to wall street. Does she know she is loding up this bill with billion of dollars in blank checks to her insane base that has nothing to do with this?
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I haven’t seen that. What I’m reading is the White House doesn’t want any oversight. Just hand over the $700Billion with no taxpayer protections or oversight.
MarketWatch is reporting:
WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) — The Bush administration and U.S. lawmakers moved closer to agreement Tuesday on a massive plan to prop up financial markets on Monday, as stocks slid and the chiefs of the Treasury and Federal Reserve prepared to defend the plan on Capitol Hill.
“We seem to be making progress,” said House Financial Services Committee Chairman Barney Frank. “There is a lot more agreement today.”
While the key lawmaker said the Bush administration and Democrats have agreed to additions to the plan, including creating an independent oversight board and aid for homeowners facing foreclosure, there is uncertainty over a proposal to allow the government to take an equity position in companies that participate in the U.S. program. Frank said that the Treasury had agreed but reports later Monday afternoon said Treasury hadn’t.
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Llama-
What is your source of misinformation?
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Hillary like Lumpy and most socialists don’t realize that fear pride and ego will make you fail every time. this what separate them from being right or inthe right for theat matter.
They haven’t learned it by now so they will have to undergo state sponsored electroshock treaments probably found in the latest idiotic democratic earmarks attached to the fiancial rescue bill
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It’s about time. McCain’s aides complain about being called liars.
Funnily enough, though, in the course of making their complaints, they lied several times. Irony can be so ironic sometimes.
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Llama sure does seem to spend a lot of time fantasizing about torturing “socialists.” (#125 is but the latest example.)
I might suggest some professional mental health help, if I thought it would do any good.
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Lumpy,
Do I have to have a source of information or can I think for myself?
In either case, I see no need to tell you of all people. If I have one you can find it yourself. I don’t work for lefties unless they pay me. And no, you don’t have enough money to do so.
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Hey steveG
You mean electroshock treatments for lefties are not in the latest round of Democratic earmarks theyh are attaching to the financial crisis bill? What is this world coming to anyway. Usually lefies will take any handout coming their way as long as they donlt have to pay for it adn so few pay for anything. A lefty without a sense of humor. Who would have guessed that?
Don’t ask me. If you think you are being slighted and need them I would text Obama or sream real loud ansd then pout softly as you weep to Pelosi
You got to love children – especially ours, since no one else would have them.
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Thanks for admitting you make this garbage up.
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Llama-
Did you see that McCain is calling for another $387 million to complete the bridge to nowhere in Alaska? Unbelievable!
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Steve 126-
Great find, man!
Such rich irony!
Man, McCain and his people sure stepped in it –and stopped to wallow– with that exchange.
What a bunch of whiners and liars. They’re toast.
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WASHINGTON — The problem wasn’t that John McCain said, “The fundamentals of our economy are strong,” as Wall Street was imploding last week.
The problem was that he didn’t stand by his own words.
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Steve/GL
It appears that the McCain operatives believe their own disinformation. Viral internet rumors make a circular loop back to the McCain campaign office and his workers who began the rumors then see the return loop as confirmation.
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SteveG,
You know only lefties torture people today. No one else, except lefties would even dare to discriminate against anyone. Look what they did to the poor Japanese in WW2. Lefties are much worse today aren’t they?
My goodness, what makes you think I am like you and fantasize about anything. We aren’t perverts like you guys
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IMPORTANT ENDORSEMENT ANNOUNCEMENT!
Bloomberg News
McCain displayed a sudden interest in the SEC last week when he demanded that Chairman Chris Cox be fired. When his campaign was asked if the senator had ever criticized the current commission’s performance before, they failed to respond.
Tellingly, three former SEC chairmen, a Democrat, Arthur Levitt, and two Republicans, David Ruder and Bill Donaldson, have endorsed Obama. Levitt is a board member of Bloomberg LP, the parent company of Bloomberg News.
Donaldson, who was tapped by Bush to head the SEC, says Obama called him last year about the financial-regulatory problems. He has never heard from McCain.
“Obama has been talking about the need for better financial regulation well before this crisis hit and has done some real thinking about it,” says Donaldson, a lifelong Republican. “McCain comes across as someone who suddenly realized changes have to be made.”
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More great news!
Peter Leavitt’s most trusted source of polling is inTrade.com, and today the numbers have swung a total of 3.3 points further in favor of Barrack Obama as the next President of the United States of America!
woo-hoo!
McCain: down 1.1 points to 46.9
Obama: up 2.2 points to 53.0
Investors are saying Thanks, but no thanks, to John McSame and his deregulation flip flop.
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Heaven question–besides the obvious of actually seeing the Lord (which I can’t even fathom…) I think it is the relief of not fighting my sin nature anymore. I’m tired of the constant battle.
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Sorry it is so late. Most of you responded how I had hoped you would about what you desire in heaven– that being with Jesus/God was most important. I am reminded of the song with the line, “Jesus will be what makes it heaven for me.” As Christians, Jesus should be the center of our lives. Everything we do should have pleasing God as its goal. If we don’t look forward to being forever with the Lord of glory, then we should be searching our souls to see if we indeed are His children.
Some were a little disappointing to me, such as this response: As for heaven – I too look forward to wonderful food. All the chocolate I can eat!
And I most look forward to no more sickness, sadness and death. I can finally be with my family and loved ones without all these nasty distractions! I hope these are secondary reasons.
Sentimentality is prevalent in our society, and all too many Christians have such reasons for looking forward to eternity. I just wonder if we will even realize who is there, once we will most likely be worshiping at the throne, focusing our attention on the One who died for us.
Footnote: Thank you to all who replied. I figure if unbelievers like Random and Anlir can ask questions of the WMB community, perhaps we Christians should do the same.
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Llama #118: It looks like the highest ranking woman democrat on the planet is also the most bigoted, anti woman and women discriminator on the planet as well.
Get your facts straight. Nancy Pelosi is the highest ranking Democratic woman ever. Remember, she is second in line after Dick Cheney to be President right now, and if the Dems keep the House in November, she will continue to be #2 in line.
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Got this from a friend of friend:
If your name is Barack you’re a radical, unpatriotic Muslim.
Name your kids Willow, Trig and Track, you’re a maverick.
Graduate from Harvard law School and you are unstable.
Attend 5 different small colleges before graduating, you’re well grounded.
If you spend 3 years as a community organizer, become the
first black President of the Harvard Law Review, create a voter
registration drive that registers 150,000 new voters, spend 12 years as
a Const itutional Law professor, spend 8 years as a State Senator
representing a district with over 750,000 people, become chairman of the
state Senate’s Health and Human Services committee, spend 4 years in the
United States Senate representing a state of 13 million people while
sponsoring 131 bills and serving on the Foreign Affairs, Environment
and Public Works and Veteran’s Affairs committees, you don’t have any
real leadership experience.
If your total resume is: local weather girl, 4 years on the
city council and 6 years as the mayor of a town with less than 7,000
people, 20 months as the governor of a state with only 650,000 people,
then you’re qualified to become the country’s second highest ranking
executive.
If you have been married to the same woman for 19 years while
raising 2 beautiful daughters, all within Protestant churches, you’re
not a real Christian.
If you cheated on your first wife with a rich heiress, and left your
disfigured wife and married the heiress the next month, you’re a good
Christian.
If you teach responsible, age appropriate sex education,
including the proper use of birth control, you are eroding the fiber of
society.
But, if , while governor, you staunchly advocate abstinence only, with
no other option in sex education in your state’s school system while
your unwed teen daughter ends up pregnant , you’re very responsible.
If your wife is a Harvard graduate lawyer who gave up a
position in a prestigious law firm to work for the betterment of her
inner city community, then gave that up to raise a family, your
family’s values don’t represent America’s.
If you’re husband is nicknamed ‘First Dude’, with at least
one DWI conviction and no college education, who didn’t register to
vote until age 25 and once was a member of a group that advocated the
secession of Alaska from the USA, your family is extremely admirable.
OK, much clearer now
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Thomas-
I hadn’t seen that but will save and add to it. It misses many of the absurdities and upsidedownisms in the McBush campaign narrative.
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Peter L – that was my response you were disappointed in. I don’t believe it was sentimental at all. I think it’s realistic. Of course, seeing and being in God’s presence is most important. But, this world is fallen. God gave us wonderful foods, families and friends, the capacity to love and enjoy each other. All of that has been screwed up by sin. I SO look forward to the time when I can enjoy all of what God created for us – without the shadow of sin hanging over everything! How wonderful, not to have sick children any more. How wonderful to be able to eat at the banquet He prepares for us, and not worry about food allergies. How wonderful to enjoy the fellowship of other believers and of God, without the distractions that come with this world – worries about money or health or grief of missing loved ones. God made this world for us – I cannot WAIT to be able to enjoy it the way He intended.
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Designergirl: Thank you for clarifying.
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Hey Lumpy,
It’s called Satire. You know, like Stewart and Colbert.
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Llama sez: It’s called Satire. You know, like Stewart and Colbert.
No, I don’t think so .. satire is usually funny, or at least witty. Your posts have none of that.
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