Comments on: Litigious atheists and agnostics

By: Make it Man

Make it Man — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:41:14 +0000

“Can you point to even one example where anyone has tried to stop any religious expression that was not a matter of church/state separation?”

Certainly. There are probably hundreds of cases won by the Rutherford institute that were not a matter of church/state separation- no matter how hard the prosecution tried – as evidenced by the outcome of the cases…

And what do you call the attack on religion by the published and outspoken Atheists like Christopher Hitchens, if it’s not a plea to shut down all religion.

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By: Joel Mark

Joel Mark — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 20:25:57 +0000

Clue to Jon Rowe, evangelicals are diverse too. Stereotyping and categorizing people and/or groupsmay be fun for you, but it is unscholarly and it does not back up you judgmental claims.

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By: Jon Rowe

Jon Rowe — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 16:59:53 +0000

Sorry Joel, but this is an evangelical website and I know how evangelicals define “Christianity” — strictly according to its Trinitarian orthodoxy. You either believe in that or you aren’t a Christian regardless of whether you identify as one. Hence Mormons and Jehovah’s Witnesses identify as “Christians” but aren’t according to the way evangelicals see it. The same could be said of America’s first 4 Presidents (perhaps first 6 Presidents).

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By: Joel Mark

Joel Mark — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:52:39 +0000

#10, Jon Rowe wrote; “I would note though the key Founders — the first 4 Presidents — weren’t “Christians” as this site defines and understands the term…”

This is nonsense.

1. I love this site, but it does not have the final say on what Christianity is or on who really is or isn’t Christian.

2. Jon Rowe’s rash hard-line judgmentalism is irresponsible both intellectually and spiritually.

3. The key Founders were diverse, spiritually.

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By: SteveG

SteveG — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:37:26 +0000

Follow-on thought to #58: If a group of churches or a denomination or an organization like Focus on the Family wants to organize a day of prayer on their own, no atheist or agnostic except maybe the crankiest ones would raise an objection. The sole issue here is the federal government endorsement.

You folks want to pretend it’s general hostility to religion, but it’s not.

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By: SteveG

SteveG — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 14:34:54 +0000

Matt Y: As far as a “National Day of Prayer to Allah”, if I lived in Turkey or some other predominantly Muslim nation and they did something like that, I wouldn’t feel threatened by it.

If you live in a country where a specific religion is endorsed by the government, it’s a different situation. In America, it’s not supposed to be that way. We should have equal freedom for any and all religions, not a government-sponsored day to honor some and not others.

It’s not about feeling “threatened.” It’s about what the country is supposed to be vs. what it sometimes is.

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By: CCC

CCC — Mon, 06 Oct 2008 02:47:36 +0000

Finite beings cannot be “free from (or of) religion.” That’s because religion is “a cause, principle, or belief held to with faith and ardor,” according to Webster’s. If Christians stood by that definition, then the Freedom From Religion Foundation would look like the pot calling the kettle, “black.” To which atheists will reply with their best reasoning, “I know you are, but what am I?”

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By: Dread Pirate Robert

Dread Pirate Robert — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 23:41:49 +0000

Steve G ~~

What I said maybe an oldie but it is a goodie. And it is true. If you don’t want to have a religion ~~ no one is stopping you. I’m not and no one I know is.

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By: kBells

kBells — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 20:37:13 +0000

“It’s controlled and run by (and for) a small faction within Christianity (conservative Christian Republicans). Mainstream Christians, moderate Christians, and liberal Christians are just as unwelcome as Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, or any other faith group.”

In what way?

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By: Matt Y.

Matt Y. — Sun, 05 Oct 2008 18:52:53 +0000

Serious George: Labor Day is exclusivist, and creates a hostile environment for millions of lazy slackers.

LOL!!!

Random Name summed it up pretty well: The Radical Agnostics have declared today the Day of the Drama Queen. Everyone is required to lament and gnash their teeth.

As far as a “National Day of Prayer to Allah”, if I lived in Turkey or some other predominantly Muslim nation and they did something like that, I wouldn’t feel threatened by it.

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