Obama wrong on NCLB
The Washington Post is hardly known as a fan of all things Bush. Nevertheless, the paper’s analysis of reading and math scores among low-income students in Maryland and Virginia shows that NCLB is working.
In Montgomery County, for example, needy students have since 2002 sliced in half the 28-point gap in reading that separated them from the county average. In Prince George’s County, where nearly half of students are in poverty, test scores have climbed steadily since 2003.
Now before our beloved WMB liberals start naysaying, know this: The Post isn’t saying NCLB is all successful, all the time. The article based on the paper’s analysis does point out flaws in, and complaints about, the program.
But here’s what I took away: Even teachers and principals admit NCLB’s accountability features have caused them to pay more attention to low-income kids, who typically approach school from a disadvantaged position. In addition, NCLB’s teeth have caused administrators to stress literacy, the key to all other academic pursuits.
I bring this up because, IMHO, the Post’s analysis underscores which presidential candidate has the correct read on NCLB. As I reported in September, both Obama and McCain support continuing the program. But Obama calls NCLB a “broken promise” to children that has “demoralized our teachers” and needs “fundamental” change. Obama would move away from assessments that test student mastery of fundamentals, and also remove NCLB’s big stick: the accountability measures that the Post’s analysis shows are working.
McCain, on the other hand, calls NCLB “invaluable in providing a clear picture of which schools and students are struggling” but sees the program as “only the beginning of education reform.” The Arizona senator would move away from assessments that focus on “group averages” and focus instead on “inspiring every child to reach his or her potential.”
On education reform in this country, Obama shor talk purty…but the data, in high-poverty D.C. at least, show he’s wrong.




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Interesting article, BUT it has lots of BUTS in it. And it says virtually NOTHING about what Lynn describes as “high-poverty DC”. Lots about the surrounding suburban counties. But zippo about DC itself.
I wonder how all these folks are doing on SAT’s and how the relative drop-out rates look.
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From Lynn w/her GOP glasses still firmly in place (actually, I think they are permanent contacts)
“The Arizona senator would move away from assessments that focus on “group averages” and focus instead on “inspiring every child to reach his or her potential.””
How is this NCLB? NCLB is ALL ABOUT – the “TEST” and measuring up to an average. Without that, how does McCain keep the accountability “big stick” that Lynn is so enamored of? McCain – my senator – is right to ditch the core measuring “stick” of NCLB – here in Arizona the test+punish approach is failing dismally and completely! And why? The answer is because we spend less per student on education than almost all states. This is the priority (or lack thereof) of our GOP-run state legislature. McCain is not “more right” on NCLB, he just cares less about education period, as do most Arizonans I’m sad to say.
What nonsense, Lynn! Get a clue!
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NCLB has some significant flaws (e.g. requiring that all students – including special needs kids – be up to certain minimum standards when many special needs kids are not capable of it).
But IF the federal government is going to be pouring money into local education, then it is obligated to exercise some oversight. If you want the feds to stay out of the product, they get them out of paying for it.
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Don’t know about those eastern low-income areas, but in Compton, NCLB is an intrusive annoyance. It was wrong-headed from the start.
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More money is not the answer. We spend more per capita than most countries, and our education is worse. Throwing more money down the black hole of a broken system won’t help.
I always wonder – my son goes to a Christian school. I know what I pay in tuition. It’s nowhere near what taxpayers pay per student for public education – and my son is getting a better education, IMO. Clearly, it can’t be money that is doing that.
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Aracadia and Spinoza,
I count it an honor to be beaten up by you.
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“More money is not the answer.”
Maybe not the *only* answer, but it is certainly the most important about which anything can be done. Teachers are underpaid and class sizes are too high. Education would radically improve if these were addressed. It costs. But GOP ideologues act as if education will improve simply by threatening teachers with pay cuts or unemployment.
DSNRGRL – I doubt your son is getting a better education in science, especially if they end up as ignorant as you have demonstrated yourself to be elsewhere on this blog.
“We spend more per capita than most countries, and our education is worse.”
Our education is not worse than “most countries” who spend a lot less than we do. Student performance in math and science is worse, though, than for many countries that spend comparable amounts.
BTW, Arizona tradiationally fights w/Mississippi for last place in per student spending. Our state student scores show it! $$$ makes a difference.
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#6 Backatcha…
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ARcadia, that is…
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Maybe not the *only* answer, but it is certainly the most important about which anything can be done.
Spin: You’re talking about the need to drill for domestic oil, correct?
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I can supply anecdotal evidence on this, for what that’s worth.
I’m a private school teacher. I know plenty of public school teachers, and meet others at conferences. I have yet to meet a single educator at any level who approves of NCLB.
The best I’ve heard (from just a few teachers) is that the standards themselves aren’t onerous, but the lack of federal funding and the rigidity of the standards are. According to these teachers, an immigrant child who enters the 8th grade in the middle of the year speaking no English is expected to take all the 8th grade SOLs, in English, at the end of the year. His failure is counted against the school and contributes to them being heavily penalized.
The teachers whose insights I respect the most decry the way the SOLs treat education as a big game of trivial pursuit. Knowledge is data regurgitation, fragmented from any real understanding or broad application. If the 8th grade history SOL is ancient China, all students must know a certain set of facts about ancient China, regardless of their complete ignorance of its place within a broader historical framework.
So I’ve not had to deal with NCLB myself, but from all the anecdotal evidence I’ve seen, I consider it a failure.
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Lynn: The pleasure is…well, never mind.
Interestingly today’s Post did have and interesting article about the DC schools hot-shot superintedant who is busily firing incompetent teachers.
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Lynn V says: Now before our beloved WMB liberals start naysaying…
What about conservatives? I teach. There is no such thing as “no child left behind” as there are those who cannot learn, as well as those who will not (i.e. do not have the desire). In Illinois, all children are included in the test scores, including special ed students, unless they are a small enough percentage of the school. Also, there are students where I teach who purposefully blow off the the test because they just do not care at all. Then there are the school districts that skew their results by taking certain students on field trips the day of the test, just so their scores are not counted in the NCLB results. Yes, this really happened in a neighboring school district. Those students take the test another day, but are not ever counted. So if a high school is thinking it is going to get a low result, it can manipulate the final result by limiting who takes the test.
While I agree that schools need to be held accountable, I totally disagree with NCLB.
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I think NCLB and the Dept of Edukayshin are both unconstitutional. NCLB encourages school districts to “cook their books” to present the data they need to show for accountability’s sake. Far too much time gets spent to “teach the test”.
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It’s hard to take seriously the opinion of anyone who believes one party or the other does not care about education. If you think this way, you are a product of the paranoid propaganda artists that you listen to or read from each day.
I have a special request for you, please go find a barrel to hide under until after the election. Your voice and vote is going to hurt America, not help it. Get a clue.
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Students in Ontario write a standard Reading, Wrting and Math test in grades three and six. They are not multiple choice but rather are only a few questions requiring long written answers in reading and writing, and complex multi-step problem solving questions in math. Since the tests need to be marked by hand, teachers are hired for the summer to mark these tests. Teachers attend a day long workshop prior to marking in which they are given exemplars, rubrics and practice test in order to learn the gov’t standard. The test changes every year but the standards are supposed to remain the same. However, teachers have noticed a slow but subtle decline in standards and rise in student scores over the years especially during election years. The process is politicized and with minimal feedback fairly useless to apply to the actual students taking the tests.
Then there are the school districts that skew their results by taking certain students on field trips the day of the test, just so their scores are not counted in the NCLB results.
An African American writer quite popular in our school actually has a scene in a novel similar to the above. In this case, students who were deemed late the day of the test were taken aside by the principal for temporary withdrawal to discuss the importance of attendance. However, the principal allowed certain students to receive only a warning and take the test. Student who he knew would increase the average.
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