The most important election ever, ever, ever
I have made attempts of late to extract myself from the tyranny of the urgent, at least urgent politics, and I will do my best not to post anything – save this one – on the presidential election until it’s over. I am convinced that we’ve all become so entrenched in some unwinnable (there! I said unwinnable!) culture war between Left and Right that we have lost our ability to take a longer view of things. So, that leaves a lot of conservatives rooting rather halfheartedly for a Republican ticket that is simply not compelling (despite a really quite reinvigorating Palin debate performance) and seems a far remove from the classic conservatism of Burke and Kirk. But they must root for these people, because they’d rather them win than them other people. And it leaves Bill and Hillary Clinton halfheartedly rooting for Obama, because they really don’t think he’d make a very good president, but they’d rather have him win than them other folks. There’s a fair share of folks who could stand up and say precisely what they believe about X or Y candidate, but they do not, because they don’t want to help out the other team.
It’s all very silly.
Another silly element to all this is how everyone seems to be saying This Is The Most Important Election in American History. This piece from The American Scholar explains why this is really a quite ignorant thing to say, if history is any precedent.
Consider, if you will, the 1924 contest between President Calvin Coolidge (Republican) and challenger John W. Davis (Democrat). Would the Jazz Age have turned out much differently if Davis had won instead of Coolidge? Few historians have lost sleep over the question. Yet Joseph Levenson, a New York Republican leader, announced [in 1924], “I look upon the coming election as the most important in the history of this country since the Civil War.”
But don’t everybody say that? Biden said it last night. At least Palin didn’t.














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Well, BRAH-vo, amen and WTG. I’m getting sick of living as and hearing that the USofA is going to hell in a handbasket if (but only if) Obama is elected. It’s a load of hooey is what it is. It’s why I vote third party and don’t glance back when people are shouting from behind “A vote for him is really a vote for *him*!” Well, then, give me a candidate worth voting for. I won’t waste my vote, dirtying it, by voting for someone who isn’t the best candidate of the pool.
Bleh. Can’t wait for Nov. 5 when life will then go on …
From an anti-abortion, pro-choice, fiscally horrified, environmentally concerned, war protesting but troop supporting Christian citizen.
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So lets establish some ground work here.
As the election is presently strcutured it would seem we are going to get:
1) an Obama presidency
2) a near cloture proof Democratic majority in the senate
3) a Democratic majority in the house
The alternatvie plausible scenario is:
1) a McCain presidency
2) a Democratic but not cloture proof majority in the Senate
3) a Democratic majority in the house
Now if you find no difference in outcome for issues you consider important between these two scenarios, then indeed this election is unimportant.
If the difference between these scenarios matters a great deal to you, then this election is very important.
And this election becomes a bit of a rorschach test for the responder!
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It’s especially hard for me, working in the news business, to take the necessary step back for a broader perspective on these “urgent” national debates and elections sometimes. I work with people who discuss it all endlessly. It’s downright tiring after a while.
Is this election important? Sure. The most important ever-ever-ever? Nope. Will I vote? Oh yeah.
But through it all I’m trying to stay grounded in the knowledge that the “world is the Lord’s, and all that is in it,” as the psalmist so wonderfully puts it. God’s providence plays out, we often can understand it only dimly.
Christians are called to their part in redeeming the world, the culture around us. But we see such a little slice of the whole picture, we must always seek the humility to be saying “your will, not mine, be done.” This moment, this country, is a teen-tiny blip in God’s overarching history.
As I’ve said here before, it works out ultimately for God’s glory and for our good (and/or instruction) — somehow, someway, someday.
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In order for an election to be important, the candidates must differ in important ways. If A=B, it doesn’t matter which is elected.
So, as a taxpayer, pro-lifer, and a gasoline buyer, I think this election is pretty important. As a doctor and an investor, I don’t think it’s important at all because they’re both wrong on medical insurance and the bailout.
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Bill Cosby once said about squabbling kids that parents don’t want justice; they just want quiet. So it doesn’t matter which kid is right or wrong, just knock off the bickering already!
I think a lot of voters feel this way. Part of me almost hopes Obama wins so that we can be one nation again.
If McCain / Palin win then the election will not be over. The next election cycle will begin the next day. Mockery of the Presidency and America will continue for four more years.
If Obama/Biden win in November then the election will truly be over. The media piranha will back off and life will get back to normal.
You will start to hear good things about America and the Presidency. Inauguration Day will be the last time you hear the word ‘recession’ replaced by the word ‘recovery’. Foreign countries will cheer. Taxpayers will get a small temporary rebate check and will cheer.
During this time of peace and love, Obama and Biden will saddle taxpayers with over $1 trillion dollars of government programs which will do more harm than good.
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… but at least it will be quiet!
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My kids and I have been doing U.S. History. Funny that you should bring up Coolidge vs. Davis. Davis was chosen simply because the other two *qualified* candidates divided the Democrats so badly, that they ended up choosing Davis out-of-the blue because he was the only guy they could all agree on.
Coolidge was neither a bad nor a good President. The Republicans simply chose him because he was the incumbant who took over after Harding died (Harding was generally agreed to be a poor President with lots of corruption in his administration. The best to be said about Coolidge as Vice-President, then President, was that he was honest.)
At the time, I’m sure that the outcome of the election seemed just as important as this one. But, Coolidge won (mainly due to the infighting of the Dems) and he really didn’t DO much as President.
And, the country went on.
We’ve even had really BAD Presidents. Historians generally agree that Harding was a TERRIBLE President. Yet, we survived him.
God willing, we’ll survive this Presidency, no matter which side wins. (I tend to agree that neither choice is all that great. I do plan to vote mostly *against* Obama rather than *for* McCain.)
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I still can’t see any reason to vote Democratic.
It’s all Bush’s fault.
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There are more reasons to vote than just for the presidency. I do not know about the other states but here in Ohio, the American Policy Roundtable has set up a site where candidates are asked to answer questions and that information is provided to the voter. The site is http://www.usavoter.com
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I am convinced that we are on the eve of a deep, deep recession.
We have allowed and directed our economy to become dependent on the financial sector and housing, and we have no significant manufacturing base, nor policies in place to grow it.
We are, for the foreseeable future, at the mercy of the oil producing countries, China, Japan, and other sovereign wealth funds to continue to fund our daily needs.
The gap between the wealthy skin of our population and the body is still growing extremely rapidly.
It is, I think, the end of the dollar era and we need to figure out how to deal with that.
I hear nothing from the Republicans except “cut taxes” and “drill”. Cutting taxes on the wealthy is nuts. Drilling, while not completely futile, will take many years to have even a slight effect.
The Dems, most notably Obama, have this idea that we can, using our know-how, innovation and skills, create what amounts to a whole new sector of the economy by re-inventing, improving, installing, retrofitting and overhauling our energy systems.
Although we are significantly behind the Europeans and the Japanese in alternative energy technologies, I think we might be able to pull it off.
I think that alternative energy is not just a quaint little idea; it is now an absolute necessity and should be a huge national priority.
Obama was not my first or even my second choice among the Dems. His inexperience bothered me, as did some of his other, fairly conventional, I suppose, vagueness.
But I do think he has the smarts and the leadership ability to take us through these perilous economic times and begin the transition to the next economic era.
More so than any other time in my life, this feels like a truly critical time for America. I think we are on the edge of permanently losing our world economc leadership and our world moral leadership, so necessary to getting what we want done is sliding away.
We may even become desperate enough to try to use force to seize resources. As we have seen in Iraq, we really can’t even afford to do that.
I don’t know whether our new President will even have the time to begin this 21st century transition. The $800 billion patch we just put on our tattered economic model may hold and it may not. And it will sure as heck have to be paid for.
The one thing I am sure of is that “business as usual” will not work. It’s just too late for that. And we have a choice between a new, energetic, and likely to be creative voice, and one that echoes to us from behind.
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acadia post 10,
I think it is fair to say that the dollars dominance has now been seriously damaged.
I think it is also fair to say that the U.S. advice on economic policy is now going to be heavily discounted, if for no other reason than we could not keep our own house in order.
And it is almost certain that we are effectively now in a recession.
The length of the recession, the rebound of importance in the dollar, and America’s role in the world will now depend on how the next president handles policy.
We most certainly, however, will not be given the opportunity to execute on a bellicose aggressive posture and will need to adopt a more collegial posture with our allies.
While American dominance has been damaged, however, we are still the single largest ecoomy in the world AND peculiarly enough, the American worker is the most productive worker in the world.
In short, we have good raw material to create a new and revised American presence in the world.
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#10 and #11
Now, finally, this is what I called reasoned discussion. I may or may not agree with what you have said, but you said it well and explained why you think the way you think, and you did it without jabbing anyone in the eye to do it.
Thank you.
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When Biden said it last night, I thought it was the last example of how he speaks in general–a bit over the top. More important than the presidential election are all of the house and senate elections, which have cumulative effect on our government. And there are other things far more important than they are.
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This is the most important election in the last four or next four years!
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Seriously, considering that there will be two or three SCOTUS appointments possible in the next term, this is a very important election!
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I appreciate HSK’s comments about the “tyranny of the urgent”. Too many folks live and die by the 24-hour news channels, which make everything into a crisis. It’s why I avoid them like the plague.
I too try to take the “long” view when it comes to politics. For example, last night’s debate was made into a “Tyson/Hollyfied” match by the media. Yes, it was important, but not that important. Vice Presidential debates never are big deals in the grand scheme of things. Another example: I knew Sarah Palin’s numbers would come back to earth at some point. You just can’t get too excited either way about these things. Things go up and things go down. Unexpected things happen too.
I have said all along, that the election will be close. And I’ve also said that I don’t think my choice will win (Obama). I really, honestly don’t think he’s gonna win. Also, I get the pleasure of being surprised if he does win (and having a party on here).
I survived 8 years of George Bush, so I know I can survive 4 years of McCain. It won’t be the end of the world.
Like, Arcadia, Obama was not my first or second choice. My first choice was Kucinich, then Clinton. Obama is more conservative than I prefer. But I shall do my duty and vote accordingly.
The results of this election will hinge on a couple of things:
1. How motivated the CCR’s are to come out and vote (which helps McCain).
2. How motivated young people are to turn out and vote (which helps Obama).
3. Whether people are willing to give the R’s another chance, or punish them.
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This is a very important election. But I’m sure the 1860 election was more important. The 1932 election was important because the New Deal extended the depression and gave Americans the concept of government taking care of them.
The 1940 election was more important because we elected a sick man who was no match for Churchill and Stalin and who embarked on a useless North Africa, Sicily, Italy campaign, and divided Germany.
The 1960 election was more important, not because Kennedy was elected, but because he died and got Lyndon Johnson in the presidency.
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Anlir, I appreciate your comments. You and I very seldom agree, -not even in sports- but You usually give arguments rather than attacks.
Go Gamecocks!
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I appreciate Anlir’s comments as well.
Although I’m generally convinced Obama will win.
And I am praying in advance that I will be faithful in praying for him and his advisors, that they will have wisdom and will pursue the right course.
I also pray I will have no bitterness should the ticket I support lose this November — and that I will be supportive (albeit probably not always in agreement) of Obama as our nation’s leader should he win. It’s clearly a difficult job, most of us wonder who in the world would even want it.
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Regarding the Supreme Court:
http://network.nationalpost.com/np/blogs/fullcomment/archive/2008/10/02/brian-kalt-couric-interview-illustrates-palin-biden-divide-and-biden-comes-out-worse.aspx
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With all due respect NJL and Peter L. While I understand your thought processes, Supreme Court appointments are simply not important enough to elevate the importance of a national election. We are, after all, electing folks who will govern us every day in hudreds of ways, not someone who mostly referees disputes between civil parties, disputes between other branches of gov’t, and mostly very esoteric criminal justice issues.
Incidentally, what did you think about Biden having the courage to tell the truth about how Senators really think about S Ct nominees? I thought it was pretty gutsy.
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Gutsy? Like when boast about becoming increasingly and cravenly partisan in your approach to selecting SC Justices: it took about five years for me to realize that the ideology of that judge makes a big difference … That’s why I led the fight against Judge Bork. Had he been on the court, I suspect there would be a lot of changes that I don’t like and the American people wouldn’t like.
I guess in some twisted sense, it’s gutsy to admit to what you’ve been accused of for so long. Courageous to own up to having been party to politicization of the court. Yeah. Admirable stuff, that.
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#22 Serious George,
I suspect that those entering a career as attorneys these days will make quite sure they dont’ leave a “paper trail” as Judge Bork did. It meant having Biden staffers questions you about nearly everything you’ve ever written.
Just curious, has anyone looked up and read the client opinion letters of our favorite Harvard Law grad/community organizer?
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