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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:50:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spin

You haven&#039;t a clue.  No matter how many times you try and re-arrange the Scriptures you FAIL.   You love this explained over and over again to YOU, while you sit back and find fault with God&#039;s Word.  I don&#039;t believe for one minute that you understand the Bible or that you ever tried, its all a GAME, and in the end you will lose.................</description>
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<p>You haven&#8217;t a clue.  No matter how many times you try and re-arrange the Scriptures you FAIL.   You love this explained over and over again to YOU, while you sit back and find fault with God&#8217;s Word.  I don&#8217;t believe for one minute that you understand the Bible or that you ever tried, its all a GAME, and in the end you will lose&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;..
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 08 Oct 2008 03:47:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>52 - So when James and Peter required circumcision they weren&#039;t part of the &quot;true believers&quot; and Paul was? Or was it the other way around?

I realize it&#039;s probably too much to ask for you to read scripture in context and not just use verses for your own personal prejudice.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>52 &#8211; So when James and Peter required circumcision they weren&#8217;t part of the &#8220;true believers&#8221; and Paul was? Or was it the other way around?</p>
<p>I realize it&#8217;s probably too much to ask for you to read scripture in context and not just use verses for your own personal prejudice.
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		<title>By: Victoria</title>
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		<dc:creator>Victoria</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 21:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Spin

&lt;blockquote&gt;YOU WRITE:.... &quot;What about “male nor female”? &lt;b&gt;Some parts of the church are now *evolving* to understand that, “in Christ,” gender restrictions are irrelevant.&lt;/b&gt; Marriage (monogamous relationship) can be “in Christ” whether it’s male-female, male-male, or female-female, since there is “neither male nor female” in Christ.&quot;&lt;/blockquote&gt;

&lt;b&gt;For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;&lt;/b&gt; 2 Timothy 4:3


The true Church of Believers aren&#039;t &quot;evolving&quot; as you put it, they aren&#039;t turning Scripture around for the pleasure of those who want to change it.  People can switch things any way they wish but Christ hasn&#039;t changed and never will.  The Word of God isn&#039;t a book that has become out-dated to &lt;b&gt;accomodate sinful man and his pleasures.&lt;/b&gt;

&lt;b&gt;Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. &lt;/b&gt;
Hebrews 13:8


&lt;blockquote&gt;There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.   

 Galatians 3:28   &lt;/blockquote&gt;

Those who have come to know Jesus Christ as Savior are all the same, they are Believers in the Risen Savior - this is not to be confused with men and women being the same, or the same sex - men are still men and women are still women, This is made crystal clear in Scripture -  or that Jews and Greeks are no longer Jews or Greeks, they still are, but they are Believers, brought into the body of Christ -  &quot;ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&quot; -  This passage is about Salvation.</description>
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<blockquote><p>YOU WRITE:&#8230;. &#8220;What about “male nor female”? <b>Some parts of the church are now *evolving* to understand that, “in Christ,” gender restrictions are irrelevant.</b> Marriage (monogamous relationship) can be “in Christ” whether it’s male-female, male-male, or female-female, since there is “neither male nor female” in Christ.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p><b>For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears;</b> 2 Timothy 4:3</p>
<p>The true Church of Believers aren&#8217;t &#8220;evolving&#8221; as you put it, they aren&#8217;t turning Scripture around for the pleasure of those who want to change it.  People can switch things any way they wish but Christ hasn&#8217;t changed and never will.  The Word of God isn&#8217;t a book that has become out-dated to <b>accomodate sinful man and his pleasures.</b></p>
<p><b>Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and to day, and for ever. </b><br />
Hebrews 13:8</p>
<blockquote><p>There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.   </p>
<p> Galatians 3:28   </p></blockquote>
<p>Those who have come to know Jesus Christ as Savior are all the same, they are Believers in the Risen Savior &#8211; this is not to be confused with men and women being the same, or the same sex &#8211; men are still men and women are still women, This is made crystal clear in Scripture &#8211;  or that Jews and Greeks are no longer Jews or Greeks, they still are, but they are Believers, brought into the body of Christ &#8211;  &#8220;ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&#8221; &#8211;  This passage is about Salvation.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>47 - Philemon was a slave owner who hosted a church in his home.

Galations 3:28 - &quot;There is neither (1) Jew nor Greek, there is neither (2) bond nor free, there is neither (3) male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&quot;

Now here Paul used the first point to argue against requisite circumcision for the converted. The early church had to *evolve* to accept that it was not bound by Judaism. In the second point, paul made no such requirement. Philemon&#039;s slave, Onesimus, ran away and took money. When he was converted, Paul sent him back to his master. Slaves remained slaves. Later, the church *evolved* to withdraw support from the institution of slavery.

What about &quot;male nor female&quot;? Some parts of the church are now *evolving* to understand that, &quot;in Christ,&quot; gender restrictions are irrelevant. Marriage (monogamous relationship) can be &quot;in Christ&quot; whether it&#039;s male-female, male-male, or female-female, since there is &quot;neither male nor female&quot; in Christ.

Just as for circumcision in the early church, slavery in the 19th century, and same-sex marriage now, traditionalists rage and foam at the mouth in opposition.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>47 &#8211; Philemon was a slave owner who hosted a church in his home.</p>
<p>Galations 3:28 &#8211; &#8220;There is neither (1) Jew nor Greek, there is neither (2) bond nor free, there is neither (3) male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&#8221;</p>
<p>Now here Paul used the first point to argue against requisite circumcision for the converted. The early church had to *evolve* to accept that it was not bound by Judaism. In the second point, paul made no such requirement. Philemon&#8217;s slave, Onesimus, ran away and took money. When he was converted, Paul sent him back to his master. Slaves remained slaves. Later, the church *evolved* to withdraw support from the institution of slavery.</p>
<p>What about &#8220;male nor female&#8221;? Some parts of the church are now *evolving* to understand that, &#8220;in Christ,&#8221; gender restrictions are irrelevant. Marriage (monogamous relationship) can be &#8220;in Christ&#8221; whether it&#8217;s male-female, male-male, or female-female, since there is &#8220;neither male nor female&#8221; in Christ.</p>
<p>Just as for circumcision in the early church, slavery in the 19th century, and same-sex marriage now, traditionalists rage and foam at the mouth in opposition.
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		<title>By: Spinoza</title>
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		<dc:creator>Spinoza</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 19:38:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kim,
&lt;i&gt;&quot;Yeah well, the other side issue is that the Presiding Bishop is a Whack Job. She was a marine biologist until about 12 years ago when she entered the priesthood. She likens the Trinity to Mother Nature and salvation is a “birthing process”.&lt;/i&gt;

She was on NPR last night - I thought she was TERRIFIC!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kim,<br />
<i>&#8220;Yeah well, the other side issue is that the Presiding Bishop is a Whack Job. She was a marine biologist until about 12 years ago when she entered the priesthood. She likens the Trinity to Mother Nature and salvation is a “birthing process”.</i></p>
<p>She was on NPR last night &#8211; I thought she was TERRIFIC!
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		<title>By: Xion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 13:43:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anlir (and many others) cannot understand that the gospel is not political.  Jesus met people where they were at.  His followers became citizens of a heavenly kingdom.  Jesus and his disciples mostly ignored Rome&#039;s political system.

So if you were a prisoner or slave, you became spiritually free in Christ.  His message was to be cheerful and do good even to your oppressors.   Christians in prison camps have demonstrated this through history.  That is a difficult message for most people to swallow.

&quot;There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&quot;    Gal 3:28</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anlir (and many others) cannot understand that the gospel is not political.  Jesus met people where they were at.  His followers became citizens of a heavenly kingdom.  Jesus and his disciples mostly ignored Rome&#8217;s political system.</p>
<p>So if you were a prisoner or slave, you became spiritually free in Christ.  His message was to be cheerful and do good even to your oppressors.   Christians in prison camps have demonstrated this through history.  That is a difficult message for most people to swallow.</p>
<p>&#8220;There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.&#8221;    Gal 3:28
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		<title>By: Bob Buckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Buckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:30:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, so &lt;b&gt;servants&lt;/b&gt; means &lt;b&gt;slaves&lt;/b&gt;.

Which version are you using?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, so <b>servants</b> means <b>slaves</b>.</p>
<p>Which version are you using?
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		<title>By: Bob Buckles</title>
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		<dc:creator>Bob Buckles</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 03:27:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anlir,

I too have never seen, heard or read any of those &quot;proofs&quot; from the Bible that approves of slavery or segregation. May I please have some of them?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Anlir,</p>
<p>I too have never seen, heard or read any of those &#8220;proofs&#8221; from the Bible that approves of slavery or segregation. May I please have some of them?
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		<title>By: David L.</title>
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		<dc:creator>David L.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 07 Oct 2008 02:19:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Apparently I wasn&#039;t clear enough, Anlir. Do you have any quotations from the people you say argued from the Bible in favor of slavery and segregation? From your comments above, I guessed that you had some readily at hand.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Apparently I wasn&#8217;t clear enough, Anlir. Do you have any quotations from the people you say argued from the Bible in favor of slavery and segregation? From your comments above, I guessed that you had some readily at hand.
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		<title>By: Anlir</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anlir</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Oct 2008 23:05:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, unto Christ.&lt;/i&gt;

- Ephesians 6:5

&lt;i&gt;Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;&lt;/i&gt;

-Colossians 3:22

Those verses in the Bible are pretty straightforward to anyone who can read.  Yet the vast majority of Christians have still come to the conclusion that slavery is evil and should be prohibited.

People have always read into the Bible what they want and read out what they don&#039;t want.  One person&#039;s &quot;context&quot; is another person&#039;s &quot;absolutes&quot; and visa-versa.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Servants, be obedient to them that are your masters according to the flesh, with fear and trembling, in singleness of your heart, unto Christ.</i></p>
<p>- Ephesians 6:5</p>
<p><i>Servants, obey in all things your masters according to the flesh; not with eyeservice, as menpleasers; but in singleness of heart, fearing God;</i></p>
<p>-Colossians 3:22</p>
<p>Those verses in the Bible are pretty straightforward to anyone who can read.  Yet the vast majority of Christians have still come to the conclusion that slavery is evil and should be prohibited.</p>
<p>People have always read into the Bible what they want and read out what they don&#8217;t want.  One person&#8217;s &#8220;context&#8221; is another person&#8217;s &#8220;absolutes&#8221; and visa-versa.
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