Sarah Palin Rodham Clinton
I’ve been thinking about how Sarah Palin would fare in the eyes of my Christian Republican friends if her name were Hillary Clinton. There is the disastrous interview with Katie Couric, which by comparison makes Dan Quayle appear an eloquent master of policy detail. There is the fact that she is vigorously campaigning for a job that will largely remove her from her young children for the next four years. There is the fact that her teenage daughter is unmarried and pregnant.
On that last alone, it takes little imagination to conjure the sort of remarks that would have been directed Clinton’s way had her own daughter proven as careless. Because Palin is a Christian and a Republican, however, my friends view this positively, as proof of her family’s pro-life credentials. They are willing to forgive, for who among us has not made mistakes?
These are admirable inclinations, and I agree with them entirely. But I suspect that many Christian Republicans wouldn’t be as forgiving were this Hillary Clinton.
Clinton certainly squandered any benefit of the doubt she may have once received. From her earliest days in the White House, where she distinguished herself by ruthlessly removing anyone she suspected of being even remotely loyal to the departing Bush family, we have seen repeated glimpses into her character. Many of us have found what we see distasteful.
But the challenge is that what we see is often colored by tribal loyalties. Thus is Rudy Giuliani not laughed off the stage when he castigates Christian Republicans for questioning whether a mother of young children ought to be seeking such an office. Being lectured for uncharitable hypocrisy by Giuliani is, after all, a bit like being chastised for sexual indiscretion by Paris Hilton. “How dare they?” demanded Giuliani, that poster boy for marriage and parenting, implying that there is a double-standard in operation here, that those who question Palin would not question a father in similar circumstances. So firmly has this talking point penetrated the party rank and file that I heard it delivered all the way out here in Wichita, Kan., from a staunchly conservative Christian mother who turned down job opportunities while her own children were young.
We ought to dispense with Giuliani’s diversionary attempt by replying that a man with small children likewise has no business abandoning them for four years. Good mothers and fathers decide every day to forego wonderful opportunities for the sake of their young children, and we should think less of those who don’t, provided they have a choice in the matter—as a single working mother holding two jobs, say, does not.
My immediate point, however, is that I doubt Clinton would have received the same pass. Likewise, Palin’s distressing lack of policy knowledge becomes admirable proof of some kind of small-town innocence. Not having eaten of the tree of Washington Knowledge, she has retained her purity. As for Clinton’s encyclopedic knowledge of policy, well, the Devil is clever, too, isn’t he?
I fully understand the necessity of sometimes embracing the lesser of two evils, or marginal competence over colossal wrongheadedness, or whatever set of comparisons my friends along the rational segment of the political spectrum use to choke their way through the voting process in modern America. I just wish we could be a little more evenhanded in our criticism.


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Say what you will Sir. I admired Palin when she insisted that marriage is a sacred institution to be entered into by unwilling teenagers. Lotsa folks woulda just packed their kid off under the ruse of a year abroad scholarship.
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I stand corrected. I say again, Sawgunner was incorrect. The above quote was not by the real Sarah but was instead Tina Fey.
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Lets not forget the Clinton sabotage of White House keyboards (removing the W from all of them) and those missing billing records that magically reappeared.
I dont have time to open up the can labeled “Foster Suicide”
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No conservative would dare utter that HRC shouldn’t seek office because it would remove her from her children. Some might think it, but none would say it. In contrast, feminists suddenly discovered such qualms after SHP was nominated. Neither side has mentioned this in the case of Nancy Pelosi, for example.
As for the interviews, you’re at least half right. However, gaffes which would ordinarily sink a conservative ( e.g., “potatoe”) are routinely brushed off when emitted by Democrats. Where’s the press scrutiny of Biden’s remark about FDR going on television in 1929? Could SHP have gotten away with that? What about Biden’s plagiarism? How about BHO’s inexperience? What about his “typical, white” grandmother?
Do I think SHP is qualified to be “one heartbeat away from the Presidency”? Probably not. Is she at least as qualified as BHO? Absolutely.
Imagining a pregnant, 16-year-old Chelsea Clinton, I gotta say you’re right: The Right would have morcellated her and her parents.
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I thank Tony for his comments. On Tony’s central point, he is correct - Hillary would have been raked over the coals if it were here daughter. In fact, by all accounts, the Clinton’s have raised a very fine daughter.
Whatever one thinks about Mrs. Clinton’s politics, the bottom line is she stayed married and, as far as we know, remained faithful to her husband who was not so faithful. She could have kicked him to the curb. It was sad to see conservative Christian, who supposedly abhor divorce, cheering for the Clinton’s to get divorced. They let their political partisanship over take their morals.
But here is what bugs those of us who are non-conservative Christians about the Palin family “matter” and other shortcomings in the conservative Christian family:
It’s the judgmental, self-righteous, finger-wagging, “do as I say, not as I do” preaching that we so dislike. It’s also the going around and telling everyone else how to live their lives.
Look, it’s pretty clear that conservative Christians are no paragons of virtue when it comes to this stuff. Your lives can be just as messed up as our can be. So why not worry about (and take care) of your own lives and families and take a “rain check” on the judgmentalism, etc.?
I don’t think any of us on the other side begrudge the Palin’s or anyone else having a pregnant, teenage daughter. We know it happens in the best of families. It’s the hypocrisy we can’t stand.
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What I don’t like about Ms. Clinton is the way she forced herself on the American public.
We elected her husband, not her, for President but yet we had to listen to her rantings for 8 years.
Of couse after she was actually elected to office on her own we have to tolerate her.
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I thnk most people would have said something like “well, what do you expect with a father like that” if Chelsea had gotten pregnant. I think there would have been tremendous sympathy for Chelsea, but not her parents. Talk about hypocrits! If that had happened, it would have been no one told the kid about condoms and birth control. I’m not so sure it would have been made public in any event.
And let’s be clear, people who are NOT Christians are not off the hook. Practicing Christians aren’t the ones who judge.
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It’s good to see a nodding recognition of the phenomenon of confirmation bias, even if it is coming from a web-publication that is one of its most ardent practitioners!
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STUBOB - Where’s the press scrutiny of Biden’s remark about FDR going on television in 1929?
It was everywhere. Where were you?
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This clarity and honesty is welcome. The question the author asks is not surprisingly answered in the comments, i.e. the reason why there is no evenhanded criticism is that there is no critical thinking, just tribalism and assertion. Some examples; the removal of the “W” key from White House keyboards has nothing to do with the issue at hand, the billing records exonerated Mrs. Clinton from any suspicious wrong-doing over a scandal in which they had no part, and Vince Foster’s suicide has been used as a slander against her since it occurred. If these are indeed real and important issues, then the same author should be pointing out that there are problems with Palin since she billed the state of Alaska for staying at home, fired a government employee because he would not interfere in her family matters, and is married to a man who advocates treason against the United States. Critical thinking would cause one to try and parse fact from fiction. Just as Joe Biden spoke about FDR appearing on television in 1939, which is a matter of fact and historical record, somehow becomes a gaffe that disqualified him, so people who love Palin will love her no matter what, without care for facts or consequences. At the very least, this is unethical, because one cannot make a proper decision, an ethical or moral one, without engaging with the facts of the matter.
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Practicing Christians aren’t the ones who judge.
What?? God must have repealed the 9th Commandment!
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The Third Policeman?
Where are the others? And how many are there?
You perchance wouldn’t be the Grammar Cop, would you?
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Third Policeman:
For the record, “treason” is way too strong a word for someone who thinks it’s possible to secede from the Constitutionally voluntary union of States. If that’s treason, then our withdrawal from Britain is treasonous. Wrong word.
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3rd Cop,
Most of my remarks above were made in sarcasm mode.
Your concerns about Palin are quite valid and merit further inquiry– it will be WORLD or other non-MSM alternative media to pursue such an inquiry.
I applaud Gov P for getting the state trooper fired. I had read that this cop had used a taser on a minor (True, the minor had literally asked for it) But this individual demonstrated he lacked the baseline common sense to be a peace officer.
I think esp if this cop had made threats against anyone–and certainly against Palin family members– he shoulda been made to hand in badge and pistol and be an unarmed nightwatchman at best.
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#13 I believe the whole secession controversy was forever resolved at Appomattox, April 1865. The states have only those enumerated powers the Federal govt chooses to recognize.
Not saying I agree with it, cuz I dont. But to quote Cronkite: “That’s just the way it is, some things will never change.”
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I applaud Gov P for getting the state trooper fired.
Ummm - I thought she fired the guy who didn’t fire the trooper ???
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Just as Joe Biden spoke about FDR appearing on television in 1939, which is a matter of fact and historical record, …
No, he said “1929.” I don’t know if FDR spoke on television to the 75 people who had it in 1939, but he didn’t get on the tube, as Biden claimed, to demonstrate leadership when the market crashed in 1929.
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“The above quote was not by the real Sarah but was instead Tina Fey.”
Sawgunner- Are you sure Sarah isn’t just imitating Tina Fey?
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Truman was the first president to speak on TV.
Judgment belongs to God. Jesus Christ said his judgment is true. T
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Judgment belongs to God.
Exactly! Which is why we wish the conservative Christians would get off their “high horse” of self-righteous judgmentalism and remember that what they measure out to others will be measured back to them by God/karma.
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Christians are instructed by Scripture to judge sin, Anlir-dear.
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Tony:
Thank you for posting this. It restores some of my faith in the American political system to see people willing to question partisan loyalties for the sack of consistency and intellectual honesty. Bravo.
Outkast:
God judges sin. Christians are to fight it viciously in their own lives and their own churches. But as far as I am aware, neither Jesus nor Paul call Christians to judge the sins of the world. We are called to be salt and light to the world, not judge and jury.
Stubob:
To say that FDR reassured the American people on television in 1929 is hardly a significant gaffe. FDR was known for his reassuring fireside chats meant to carry America through the Great Depression, so the error is only in the details (saying that he began them in 1929 over television, when in fact he began them in 1933 over radio).
What critical lack of knowledge do you think it displays? By comparison, I think Palin’s inability to name any Supreme Court cases or demonstrate a coherent understanding of the economic crisis displays a critical lack of knowledge about the laws of our land and our current greatest problem. This is disqualifying ignorance, in my book. In what way is it disqualifying ignorance that Biden was 4 years and a communication medium off?
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To Palin’s disqualifying ignorance, I’ll add her complete inability to defend her pro-life position. When Couric asked her why she thought a rape/incest victim should be forced to deliver the baby, Palin could not (or did not) muster a defense based on the humanity of the unborn child. Instead, she barfed up a pile of buzzwords.
I suspect you got blinded by the sparkliness of Palin’s glittering generalities, so I’ll post her answer here with a bit of commentary:
Circular Reasoning. I’m against abortion because I’m pro-life.
Red Herring. We’re still not talking about why all abortions should be legal. We are instead talking about how Palin is really a nicer sort of pro-lifer, who likes to think of her role as merely advisory and really, also, too, cares about, then, even the women, there, in absolutely less than ideal circumstances.
Couric realizes Palin hasn’t answered the question, and repeats:
More of the “I’m a nice lady, not a mean old shouting sign-toter” Red Herring.
All Palin had to do was express her sympathy for women in bad situations, but add that she did not want to add a second victim to an already horrible crime. In other words, the only rational defense for the pro-life position is that the fetus is a human life. That must be articulated and defended by pro-life politicians if they wish to advance the issue.
Palin clearly doesn’t have the knowledge, and by all indications doesn’t have the mental capacity, to mount such a defense.
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Outkast - 21
This is true, but those who haven’t a clue as to what the Bible says wouldn’t know that.
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This is for all of you who are unable to understand that those who are Believers look upon those who are Believers but have strayed away - look upon their fruit and judge their behavior.
The fact that Believers are TOLD not to “I wrote unto you in an epistle not to company with” is clearly understood that those who are living in sin are to be avoided, that my friends is JUDGING, and we as Believers are to judge within our own churches.
We are to rebuke sin wherever it is, inside or outside. However if someone says they are a Believer then they are looked at much differently than an un-Believer.
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Victoria, it sounds to me like you exactly missed the point of those verses, which were the very verses I was thinking of when I responded to Outkast in #23.
Paul instructs believers to judge those within the church, but he specifically instructs them that it is God’s place, not theirs, to judge the world.
Believers are not called to rebuke sin outside the church.
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Thanks, Tony, for the thoughtful post.
I have noticed a tiresome tendency from both Right and Left on this blog. When it’s Our Guy, or Our Gal, being criticized, so many commenters refuse to EVER grant the critic’s point, because that would be blood in the water, I guess. If anyone dares to point out that Sarah Palin is inexperienced, or that the Couric interview made her look bad, there’s a chorus of, “But, but, but… Obama is [insert counter-criticism du jour here]!!” Or ridiculous circumlocutions about how the deer-in-the-headlights thing was really her dignified refusal to cast her pearls before swine. Likewise, members of the Left cannot cede the point that their guy has made troubling alliances, because they’re too busy dismissing them altogether (”That was years ago!”) or attempting to change the subject: “But what about the Keating Five?!?” Or unintentionally hilarious bloviations about how the FDR-on-TV-in-1929 remark was a mere “historical” mistake, whereas Palin’s most recent gaffe supposedly belongs to some other category. And so on, ad infinitum.
It would be so refreshing to hear, regularly, comments acknowledging that the other side has a point. That point may not be convincing enough to warrant a changing of sides (based on reasoning which the respondent supplies, in civil language) but it’s something to consider all the same.
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When I see someone on here slinging out Bible verses in bold it reminds me of the folks who stand in front of abortion clinic, screaming at women and waiving their disgusting pictures in front of them. It also reminds me of the Rev. Phelps crowd and their picketers with those “God Hate F-gs!” signs. They think they’re being a witness for Christ, but what they’re really doing is causing people to tune them out and not listen to anything they have to say. Plus it’s just a violation of simple common decency that we should all give each other.
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RR:
I agree with most of your post, but I think it is your partisan ideology, not mine, casting undue influence on the way you view Biden and Palin’s gaffes.
Objectively speaking, outside of any partisan jabs, there is a substantive difference between someone who cannot name a single supreme court case and someone who got his date off by 4 years and said something was broadcast over television when in fact it was broadcast over radio.
In my own field, it’s the difference between someone who says, “Chaucer finished the Canterbury Tales in 1404″ (in fact he died in 1400 without finishing them) and someone who says, “Chaucer? Who’s he?” The first person may still be an entirely qualified literature teacher. The second person clearly is not.
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JJF, I in turn agree with most of your post, except the part where you credit me with a lot more partisan ideology than I actually possess. Palin has had numerous gaffes and squirm-inducing moments in interviews and the debate, which IMO raise the question whether she’s even ready for entry-level training as Veep.
See how easy that was? You make the entirely valid point that 1929 is a different level of gaffe than being unable to recall a single Supreme’s name, yet I wonder if you are willing to acknowledge that his plagiarisms in law school and on the stump are causes for concern, character-wise.
If it helps you to understand, I’m leaning toward pulling the lever for McCain-Palin in spite of some very sound criticisms of both of them, because my nonnegotiable is abortion. I’m willing to risk a RINO backed by an inexperienced small-state guv, considering the alternative of a charming man with a gruesome voting record on this important issue, backed by a longterm senator who goes along and gets along and doesn’t seem to have any principles at all.
If the Dems would ever field a seriously pro-life candidate, you bet I would consider him or her.
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RR,
I do agree that Biden’s plagiarism is a character issue worth considering.
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Let’s be realistic…if Hillary Clinton’s teenage daughter had become pregnant, more than likely she would have had a hasty, secretive abortion to save her parents the political “embarrassment” of an unplanned teenage pregnancy. On the other hand, the Palin family courageously has decided to choose life, no matter what the cost politically to Gov. Palin of having an unmarried, pregnant teenage duaghter, and in doing so has faced much criticism from her opponents. I applaud the Palin family for their decision. The courage of one’s convictions…how refreshing!
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31. Good. That was my point.
When each side is afraid that the least acknowledgment that their preferred candidate isn’t perfect, might somehow give aid and comfort to the enemy, civil discourse is impossible.
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Preach it, Tony.
I’m a little astonished by the free pass she’s been getting from a media that clearly doesn’t know what to do with someone this badly underqualified and nakedly ambitious into the bargain. At some point reporters will have to recover from their shock and start to suggest that, say, NOT ANSWERING ANY OF THE DEBATE QUESTIONS is inappropriate conduct, and that many of her criticisms of Obama are just outright lies and borderline incitement (”palling around with terrorists?” seriously?).
Conservative Christian and genius Andrew Sullivan has a great post on that topic at the Atlantic: http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2008/10/when-will-the-p.html#more
I waish
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Sam,
Assuming your assessment is correct (I don’t think it is, because Palin has certainly not gotten a “free pass” from the media), perhaps the media’s hands are tied by its refusal to take on someone “this badly underqualified and nakedly ambitious into the bargain” as Obama.
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Conservative Christian and genius Andrew Sullivan
This is a joke, right?
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E gads. Those women look like twin sisters the more I look at the two of them side by side.
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JJF (#26):
Victoria is correct when she says, “We are to rebuke sin wherever it is, inside or outside.”
You are wrong when you say, “Believers are not called to rebuke sin outside the church.”
The judging Paul was speaking of in 1Cor 5 had to do with those in the church and it involved an evaluation of their actions plus the rendering of a consequence, in this case excommunication. This could be done because the church has spiritual authority over its members, an authority that the individual acknowledges and agrees to abide by when he/she voluntarily becomes a member. Clearly, non-members have not submitted to the authority of the church and therefore the church has no right to evaluate their conduct and render a consequence. It is this two-step judging process that Paul says the church is not to attempt with outsiders. Only God has the sovereign authority to judge ALL people in this two-step fashion.
However, this does not preclude the church or its members from rendering a rebuking evaluation of sinful behavior wherever they see it, inside or outside the church. They just cannot go to the next step and render a consequence as is done with church members. Bringing attention to sinful behavior is an integral part of calling non-Christian people to repentance and this was done repeatedly by Christ, by Paul and by the other disciples throughout the New Testament. Usually, the best way to do this is as Peter advises, “…with gentleness and respect..” But this is not always possible. In Acts 13:10 Paul rebukes a Jewish sorcerer:
Paul advises Titus:
Paul advises Timothy:
It should be clear to you now that you are wrong when you say, “Believers are not called to rebuke sin outside the church.”
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I’m with CarolinaGirl on this one. Preach it, sister!
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Yeah, lots of sisters are going to be preaching in what are presently “conservative” churches. And this sister’s gonna be long gone.
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