Final debate scorecard
Tonight’s the night, the last chance John McCain and Barack Obama will have to meet face-to-face before Election Day. Bob Schieffer of CBS News will moderate tonight’s debate at Hofstra University in Hempstead, N.Y. And unlike the first two encounters, the candidates will be seated across from one another. Showtime is 9 p.m. EDT.
If you’d like to play the part of political pundit and rate the candidates’ performance from the comfort of your own home, here’s our handy-dandy scorecard:
On a scale of one to five, rate each candidate’s performance in the following areas:
Appeal to undecided voters (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Appeal to party base (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Zingers and quips (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Poise (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Command of subject matter (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Appearing presidential (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Now deduct points for the following:
Gaffes/factual errors (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Bad jokes (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Failure to answer questions (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Needless attacks (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Losing his cool (McCain 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 ) (Obama 1 – 2 – 3 – 4 – 5 )
Get the popcorn popping, your pencils sharpened, print out this post, and play along at home. Total up your points for each candidate and be sure to post your results once the debate concludes.
Also watch for Emily’s posts during and after the debate.














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back to top41 Comments to “Final debate scorecard”
I could be wrong but McCain didn’t mention Obama’s ties to 60’s hippie Ayers at the last debate.
Obama hinted that McCain was afraid to or not man enough etc.
As a result McCain said he will bring it up tonight.
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Let him bring it up. I suspect that Obama has a ready reply. Plus the American people are tired of hearing about it. It’s the economy they want to hear about.
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I hope that McCain will bring up what the American people SHOULD hear about. That’s a lot of things. They need some perspective.
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Tonight will be important, but not the end of the world even if McCain doesn’t kick Obama’s you-know-what. The reliable polling data suggests the race is around 4% difference.
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Maybe Obama can bring up McCain’s connections with some nefarious rogues, as shown in this eye-opening video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X5wHnzQx81g
Also, I would like McCain to ask Obama who actually wrote Dreams from My Father: http://tinyurl.com/4pxtdu
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Wow, TJ, I just clicked on your second link. That’s really something! Not surprising that the MSM hasn’t picked up on this.
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It’s the economy, stupids. If McCain doesn’t deal with it, convincingly and reasonably, he’s toast.
And cutting capital gains taxes won’t make it. Nor will paying all those mortgage companies the original full value of the mortgages they issued. His removal of penalties for early retirement withdrawals does at least make a little sense.
If he wants to try another Hail Mary, telling all the folks that their taxes are going to up substantially might do the trick. Everybody already knows that, but it is a political truth that dare not speak its own name.
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Acadia post 7,
increasingly it looks like McCain’s supporters want him to lose.
My sense is that it will be a relatively calm debate. I watched the CNN opinion meter in the last debate: any time either candidate attacked the opinion of that candidate dropped. Negative campaigning seems to have run out of steam in its ability to change this election at this time.
This is an interesting phenomenon and I suspect it will be studied a great deal in the future.
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Disclaimer: I’ve been wrong before.
(I haven’t watched or listened to the debate.)
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Musing: Around here, maybe they think they’re clearing the way for Princess Sarah.
I haven’t seen the tape, but apparently in a Rush/Sarah interview Rush asked her about her future in American politics (meaning, presumably, after they lose) and at some point Sarah opined that she “has nothing to lose” in attacking Obama.
As for negative campaigning, I think once one’s base is secure, it may still work to draw some undecideds. But in this campaign, right from the get-go, McCain has been using it to shore up his shaky base. And they demand so much extremism that it has backfired.
I’m not so sure that McCain has gotten the memo about negativity. He thinks of himself as a bare knuckles kind of guy who can shout down adversity…and I also suspect that to some extent he may even be willing to settle for winning the base, which for him may constitute a retributive victory of some kind.
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Puhleeze! Anyone who hasn’t made up their minds by now need not tune in tonight.
Thinking people with consciences will grudgingly vote for McCain.
Witless fools who blindly trust the media, and liberal bigots will all vote for Obama.
Unfortunately, unless a miracle happens, I think Obama will win.
May God have mercy on us.
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Dav post 110,
and without seeing the debate you can make such a sagacious interpretation?
Wow, and we haven’t even had the debate yet.
We can say the following:
1) McCain is behind and needs to change the game
2) this debate is one of his last chances
If he does not change the trajectory of the campaign in this debate, the clock will be running out.
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TJ: “Also, I would like McCain to ask Obama who actually wrote Dreams from My Father: http://tinyurl.com/4pxtdu”
Ree: This must be the reason those 4 years are missing! Who knew?
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REE: when you cite TJ’s second link — this must be the reason those 4 years are missing from the book. The ghostwriter didn’t know what to put down.
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As Dav noted, Musing, people have already made up their minds about whom they’re going to vote. Tonight’s debate will not change their minds, as Dav noted. Therefore, it was not a “sagacious interpretation.” Get with it, or move aside.
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I started thinking today that Obama probably didn’t even write his own books. They were more likely penned by Bill Ayers, his mentor (along with Jeremiah Wright).
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Outkast,
That’s what TJ’s link is to–a linguist who analyzed the writings of both Ayers and Obama. He was on the Medved show Monday.
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Interesting, at ballroom dance tonight some of the dancers disappeared to go into the lobby to watch the debate. I thought perhaps they were still undecided and wanted to watch the debate to help them understand the candidates better. Instead they were their as rooters for their guy cheering his comments and jeering the opponent. Is this what our election process has digressed to? A sport?
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This Robin Hood doesn’t wear green!
“spread the wealth around” ?
What a novel idea, where have we heard that before?
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McCain 17 – 15 = 2
Obama 21 – 8 = 13
McCain gave his best performance but faded as the night went on. In the middle of the debate, he spend too much time on Ayers etc., and lost his focus. This allowed Obama to catch up and hit on his best issues — health care etc. From the CNN opinion line, McCain’s use of Ayers and later his defense of Palin fell completely flat with the female audience. Also, when the exchange became heated it was apparent that Obama was more cool and poised, while McCain became the angry old man.
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The first monthly meeting of the Palin 2012 Marching and Chowder Society will meet at the Wasilla Hockey Rink next Wednesday. Be there or be square.
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Well it looks like the polls are giving it to Obama.
If this holds in the polls on say Monday or so, then the outcome for this effort will be clear.
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outkast post 15,
but of course outkast, that is not what Dav said.
The real question of course is did McCain establish a viable and visible new trajectory.
And your thoughts here?
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The real question is what will the independents say. The CNN TV data seemed to indicate that independents gave the debate to Obama with 57%.
But again, a wise person would not make a clear statement on the outcome until the polling data has settled down.
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Arcadia – 21
“Be there or be square.” LOL, that’s what some of the old folks say, are you serious?
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“I don’t care about an old washed-up terrorist” was another awesome line from Senator McCain tonight, as that very washed-up terrorist sat in one of the nearest-front rows of the debate audience tonight — at Obama’s invitation.
Hopefully some of the spit from Senator McCain’s lips landed on the fact of said terrorist . . . .
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Outkast #4:
Zogby, Gallup trad. and IBD/TIPP are the only polls that put the gap at 4% or less. These are from 10/14. If you include the ones from 10/13, then the other polls put the gap at: 8, 11, 8, 8, 5, 14, 9, 9.
Even if we believe that the few polls that put the gap at the smallest possible amount are the ones we should believe, then that still leaves McCain down by 4%. You don’t win an election being down by 4%. In the absence of a major scandal erupting around Obama, or another terrorist attack, prior to the election, how much chance do you figure he has of making that up?
Besides, percentage of the popular vote isn’t the right measure to use. All the electoral college projections I’ve seen paint the election as a virtual lock for Obama.
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Oh yeah, this site is handy for getting poll results:
http://pollingreport.com/
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outkast post 26,
well a poll after the debate suggested that 50% did not care about Ayers. It would seem that this is yet another issue which matters to McCain’s base, but does not matter to the electorate as a whole.
While we still need to wait to see how the polls stabilize before we reach any strong conclusions, I suggest that it does not appear that McCain introduced any game changing approaches in this debate.
As such we presumably will see more of the same, and we have seen how this trajectory leads.
Possibly McCain will introduce a new twist to the campaign, but time is running out.
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buddyglass post 28,
Thanks for the link, I have book marked it.
I have also been using:
http://www.realclearpolitiics.com/
and
http://www.fivethirtyeight.com/
for polling data as well.
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The only reason people do not care about Ayers is because they have not received a heavy dose of the severity of the issue from the headlines. I have heard almost nothing from the msm on Ayers or how serious the situation is. Therefore, as typical Joe American, I don’t know enough to realize I should care because the headline writers have buried it or reported on it in a vague manor.
I have seen more written recently on troubles within Palins family than corruption with Ayers and the Democratic Party. Say “Palin” to someone, and watch them get angry, say, “Ayers” to someone and see them say, “so what”?
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Oh fun – the spam filter is at it again!
The following seems like it might be a good summary of the post debate polling:
http://w*w.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/15/debate.poll/index.html
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Chalzz post 31,
or alternatley people have reviewed the issue and an “old washed up terrorist” does not seem to concern them in the context of todays election.
We seem to be seeing an “its the economy stupid” moment reoccurring.
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Has the spam fillter started behaving again?
The following seems like it might be a good summary of the post debate polling:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/15/debate.poll/index.html
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And the DOW is down about 230 points. We are now at about 8350.
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Nick: McCain didn’t mention Obama’s ties to 60’s hippie Ayers at the last debate.
You mean ’90s university professor and civic leader Ayers … as that’s who Ayers was when Obama knew him.
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Ree at #6: That’s really something! Not surprising that the MSM hasn’t picked up on this.
Not surprising at all. It’s a silly conpiracy theory based on zero evidence, just the refusal of Jack Cashill, whoever that is, to believe that Obama might be a good writer.
So why should the legitimate media give it a minute’s consideration?
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Outkast at #16: I started thinking today
It’s about time!
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Chalzz at #31: The only reason people do not care about Ayers is because they have not received a heavy dose of the severity of the issue from the headlines. I have heard almost nothing from the msm on Ayers or how serious the situation is.
OL, so what is true about Ayers and Obama is that the two of them and a couple dozen other well-respected Chicagoans, were involved in the 1990s in the Chicago Annenberg Challenge … which is funded by the Annenberg Foundation, which was created by Republican Walter Annenberg and is still run by his widow.
We also know that Ayers donated $200 to one of Obama’s state-level campaigns, and hosted a party for another politician that Obama attended.
That’s it. That’s all there is.
So please tell us, just how “serious” is the “situation” Chalzz? Because seems utterly trivial to me, and the obsession you and others have with it is just proof of how little actual substance McCain has to offer.
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This was just announced:
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So the following is taken from RealClearPolitics:
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/
RCP Average 10/09 – 10/16 — 49.4 42.8 Obama +6.6
Rasmussen Tracking 10/14 – 10/16 50 46 Obama +4
Reuters/C-Span/Zogby Tracking 10/14 – 10/16 49 44 Obama +5
Hotline/FD Tracking 10/13 – 10/15 49 41 Obama +8
Gallup Tracking (Traditional)* 10/13 – 10/15 49 47 Obama +2
Gallup Tracking (Expanded)* 10/13 – 10/15 51 45 Obama +6
GW/Battleground Tracking 10/10 – 10/16 49 45 Obama +4
IBD/TIPP Tracking 10/11 – 10/15 45 42 Obama +3
LA Times/Bloomberg 10/10 – 10/13 50 41 Obama +9
CBS News/NY Times 10/10 – 10/13 53 39 Obama +14
USA Today/Gallup (Traditional)* 10/10 – 10/12 50 46 Obama +4
USA Today/Gallup (Expanded)* 10/10 – 10/12 52 45 Obama +7
Pew Research 10/09 – 10/12 49 42 Obama +7
Ipsos/McClatchy 10/09 – 10/13 48 39 Obama +9
I believe the following statements can be made:
1) the race is tightening
2) the tightening appears to be occurring by the increase inthe McCain poll number, not a decrease in the Obama number
3) the Obama numbers are hovering at close to 50%
if 1 and 2 are true, then this suggests that McCain has the potential to pull even. Pulling ahead will require chainging Obama voters.
The true test of course is the electoral map. Right now this appears to favor Obama. but this is perhaps worthy of a separate post.
But the following is also true:
a) there are still 18 days or so until the electon
b) a lot can happen in 18 days
This race is by no means over yet.
Hold on to your hat!!!
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