Telltale scratching
It’s not clear yet whether Barack Obama will win more votes of young evangelicals than Al Gore won in 2000 or John Kerry in 2004. It is clear that some prefer his coolness to pulpit heat. Some may be like MSNBC’s Chris Matthews who heard Obama’s mellifluous articulation and said, “I felt this thrill going up my leg.”
But young evangelicals might keep in mind Matthews’ statement about the candidate who excited him in 1992, Bill Clinton. Six years later, during the Monica Lewinsky scandal, Matthews spoke about buying “this box of cereal called Bill Clinton” and expecting a plastic toy inside—only to find instead a hairy bug. He said he and others were “so hungry for leadership” in 1992 that they heard but discounted “that telltale scratching in the box.”
Obama’s marriage and family life are commendable, but other scratching is audible. It’s one thing to recognize that the GOP has barely made a dent in abortion’s legality and to welcome attempts to break the logjam. It’s something else to support “the most extreme pro-abortion legislator ever to serve in either house of the United States Congress,” as Princeton’s Robby George shows.
It’s one thing to hope for a new tone in politics, with leaders searching for common ground. It’s something else to attach those hopes to “the most liberal senator in 2007,” to quote from the nonpartisan National Journal. Obama speaks of searching for common ground, but his voting record last year placed him to the left of even Vermont socialist Bernie Sanders.
It’s one thing to have recognized early on that the Iraq War would not be a three-week triumphal procession ended with the unfurling of Mission Accomplished banners. It’s something else to demand a foreign policy that assumes the rationality of dictators and proposes that we beat our swords into plowshares on a timetable of our devising rather than God’s.
Obama backers might ask: Am I ignoring telltale scratching?




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My brother-in-law spent the other morning at Obama headquarters making phone calls. When he stopped by to watch our adorable grandbaby, I showed him the book I had just finished: Dreams From My Father.
A big grin spread across his cheerful face, “How was it?”
“Beautifully written, but very disturbing.”
A cloud flitted across his forehead. “Oh, I haven’t read anything he wrote. I’ve got to read The Audacity of Hope.”
I shrugged, “As a policy wonk, you’ll probably love it. I couldn’t get through that book. But that’s part of the problem. Obama is a cipher, no one knows anything about who he is.”
“But you just read his book.”
“His beautifully written and interesting memoir. But it didn’t resolve. He was still trying to figure out who he was at the end. And I’d really like to know what made him decide to join the radical Black movement, rather than the moderate, conciliatory positions he claims to hold now,” I said.
Another friend told me Tom Daschle gave Obama his staff when Obama came to Washington as a first time member of Congress. “This one has got something,” Daschle is alleged to have said. But Obama needed to run early before he had a track record and could be attacked for his performance.
Daschle apparently has pulled it off. But does out country really need a stealth candidate at such a time? I’m not a conspiracy theorist and regard end times novels with disdain–but this sure looks like a potential recipe for . . . . fill in the blank. Everyone else is.
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I think the American people have looked at the issues that Marvin raises, and decided that they aren’t disqualifying matters. I think they’re going to take a chance on Obama.
As for whether any conservative Christians will defect to Obama, I doubt very few will. They are, after all, the most diehard of Republicans. Their religious faith is tied to the Republican agenda.
I should note that there aren’t enough conservative Christians to deliver the election to John McCain.
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There are three reasons not to vote for Obama. Namely, Pelosi, Reid, and Frank
With McCain as president, at least we would have one person trying to clean up the Dem’s mess.
On the other hand, with Obama as pres, maybe they’ll all go down together and we can start fresh in four years.
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But if a hairy bug comes out of the box, will there be an opportunity given to start fresh in four years?
Alternate question: Will we‘ll “all go down together”?
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Dr. Olasky writes:
It’s something else to demand a foreign policy that assumes the rationality of dictators and proposes that we beat our swords into plowshares on a timetable of our devising rather than God’s.
Under the New Covenant, when exactly are we to raise the sword? Keep in mind that Jesus rebuked Peter for cutting off the Roman soldier’s ear when that soldier came to help arrest Jesus. Also, keep in mind that Jesus tells us to pray for, suffer for, love and serve our enemies.
Modern Christians take all their cues for War from the Old Covenant. But under the New Covenant, we need to grapple with: What is Kingdom of the World behavior? And what is Kingdom of God behavior?
Are Christians to participate in the violence and war of this World? Or, like the first generations of the Church, are we to remain separate and peacefully serve and minister to sinners in our culture?
These are hard questions worth considering.
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I invite everyone to watch and listen to three brief videos I just posted on YouTube. They attempt to explain Jesus’ teaching to give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s.
An explanation from a discussion with Shane Claiborne:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XR0XY1T14QI
An excerpt from a homily by Don Fischer:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AdK0972JP-I
An excerpt from a sermon by Grey Boyd:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aqC2ALPqu-w
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maybe they’ll all go down together
Do conservative Christians somehow think they’ll be exempt from going down with the rest of us?
And what’s with conservative Christians wishing “schadenfreude” on America? How is that any different from Rev. Wright?
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Anlir — if your referring to my post, it wasn’t a wish as much as a prediction. Connect the dots to the Fannie and Freddie fiasco and the future looks pretty bleak in four years for every one.
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Anlir, I’m not for “taking a chance” on any unproven presidential candidate–especially one with so many, many reasons to worry as this one has, and such a bad track record on what little is known about him. (As I keep telling my friends, if he’d done nothing at all bad in his political life except defeat the Born Alive Infant Protection Act, he’d still be morally unfit to be dogcatcher.)
Many people will be praying and fasting the day before the election. I think that is a very good idea on this one–that we plead with God to show this land mercy and not give us “the one” we deserve.
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Douglas – 6
You aren’t fooling anyone here – this is plain strange!
The New Monastics: Meeting Shane Claiborne [Speaking of Faith® from American Public Media]
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/newmonastics/
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Indeed it does’t look good Awstar. But, we’ll all suffer together.
As for “schadenfreude”, I wasn’t so much referring to you specifically, as I was to the increasing number of expressions from conservative Christians in general as they realize that their candidate is not likely to win.
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As for Cheryl, I wouldn’t expect her to vote for Obama. I doubt there will be even 10 CCR’s that vote for him, so that’s no shocker.
Thankfully, single-issue voters are a minority.
As for praying and fasting the day before the election, there will be Christians on both sides the political fence doing that. I wonder which side God will favor? I guess we’ll find out on Nov. 4th.
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Many people will be praying and fasting the day before the election. I think that is a very good idea on this one–that we plead with God to show this land mercy and not give us “the one” we deserve.
Perhaps a contribution or donation to a food bank would be in order at the same time. This is a serious message. Perhaps there would be some way to make sure the food for hungry people only goes to hungry people who will not vote illegally or will not vote for Obama under the expectation he will use government to “share the wealth.”
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#10 Victoria
What in particular struck you as strange?
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Douglas,
You need to ask? Playing the innocent doesn’t do well on this blog, especially with Believers. You’ve tried several different approaches and now this one, LOL
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Victoria,
I didn’t watch the videos, but Douglas’s question seemed fair to me–you said it’s strange, but didn’t elaborate, and he asked you what’s strange. I don’t know whether or not Douglas is a believer, but to suggest that “believers” don’t have to answer questions makes us look bad if he isn’t.
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Cheryl,
If you go to the link I gave you will discover very quickly what it is, then you can decide for yourself.
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#15 Cheryl
When you have some time, I hope you’ll check out my links. Yes, I’m a believer. And the links I provided are pretty brief. If you’re curious, they are three explanations for Jesus’ teaching on rendering to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and rendering to God what is God’s.
And thanks for giving me credit for asking a fair question.
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#16 Victoria
Victoria, your link is to a show that focused on Shane Claiborne. Here’s a quick bio of Shane from the transcript of that show:
[Shane] and a few friends from his college, Eastern University, cofounded an intentional community in a row house in that same Kensington neighborhood. They called it The Simple Way. It now includes both single and married people with children who commit to celibacy or monogamy, and to contemplation, faith, and practice intertwined.
The Simple Way and other new communities like it are not rejecting Christian tradition, but searching deep within the historic tradition for role models — Saint Francis of Assisi, Dorothy Day, Martin Luther King. Before Shane Claiborne settled back in North Philadelphia, he went looking, as he puts it, for real Christians in the contemporary world. And he sought out Mother Teresa in India in the last year of her life.
The full link here:
http://speakingoffaith.publicradio.org/programs/newmonastics/transcript.shtml
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Victoria and Douglas,
I’d have checked out the link(s) before posting except that I cannot…I don’t have sound on my computer (my choice not to hook up speakers so that my computer couldn’t talk to me, and at this point even if I dug out speakers, I wouldn’t know where to plug them in!). And totally apart from sound, my computer is running slower than it should, and video is rather pointless! (Loading . . . loading . . . ) If I click on a link and discover it’s video rather than text, I leave.
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Cheryl
I’m sorry you can’t use sound, however I won’t go further with this -
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Thanks, Victoria. Have a blessed Lord’s day!
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Cheryl, thanks – I hope you have a wonderful LORD’s day too.
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Thanks for the interesting videos Douglas.
I’m a ‘relatively’ young Christian who is voting for Senator Obama, as are many others at my church. What G.W. Bush gave us is so far from what he promised, it’s time to try a different approach.
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Douglas- Thanks for the links; very good messages.
There was one piece of info I had never heard before. On the second one, he talked about how the Jews were not allowed to use coinage that had images on them at all [I hadn't realized that.]. Yet Caesar required them to pay a tax in Roman coinage that had his image. So by asking Jesus whether it was lawful to pay the tax, they were trying to force him to chose between breaking Jewish law, or Caesar’s law. His answer of course, give to Caesar what belongs to Caesar, and to God what belongs to God.
One of the other tapes talked about how that duality is actually one duty: the duty to God.
Cheryl D: Just a short, incomplete summary. Hope you can get your speakers working.
http://christiansvoteobama.org
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DJ… You’re welcome, and that was a first for me, too. I didn’t know the Romans made imageless coins, with that one exception. It really DOES add richness and a little extra understanding to Jesus’ teaching.
Grace & Peace to you, DJ! And to RPN, Cheryl and Victoria as well!
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DJ, I’m not trying to get my speakers working. When I was “in the office,” I hated having a computer that could talk to me, websites with music, etc., so I chose not to plug my speakers in! (A book editor doesn’t need sound.) Occasionally I take a trip to the library and watch any videos that people have linked, if I still remember where to find the links….
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CHERYL D-
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CHERYL D-
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[sorry, hit the wrong key]
Cheryl D.- I don’t blame you about the speakers. Silence can be very calming. ButI have to have my speakers. My son occasionally sends me downloads of his cello or guitar playing. That’s a nice break to the silence.
Cheers-
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I’m inclined to think that to a lot of folks out there, WMB conservative/Christian and great unwashed lip-service “carnal Christian”, folks are willing to give OBama the benefit of the doubt and err on the side of grace. He may prove to be a rigid ideologue or a man with his finger in the breeze continually checking poll data to determine policy.
Believe it or not, there are lotsa folks out here who have been touched and touched hard by the financial crises. Those folks will look to and place blame on the Rs. The big “hot button” issues like abortion or gay marriage seem distant to many people I know who live in non-metro areas; areas where those social issues arent up front and personal in the way that foreclosures/evictions, depreciated house values are.
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I can relate to Mark Roth’s comment. Sometimes, taking a chance allows no return. It’s not that believers feel that they can somehow avoid what unbelievers experience, but we may be unable to reverse the damage. With Obama set to appoint pro-choice judges, Congress set to confirm them and Obama’s commitment to take a soft stance on radical Islamists, I think there may be no coming back. I think that’s what Mark was saying, and it certainly is what I am saying. This “hairy bug” is making plenty of noise, but somehow we don’t seem to be listening.
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Nonesense! Obama has not committed to take a soft stance on radical islamists!
Obama is ready to go after binLaden in Afganistan!
He’ll do well with Iran too. Many Iranians think Ahmehdihajad is kooky, and they don’t agree with his stance on Israel either. He is coming up for re-election in June. If we had a president with a more creative policy than ‘bomb,bomb,bomb,bomb,bomb,bomb Iran’ , we might stand a chance of making diplomatic headway.
War need not be the first option on the table.
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I’m a ‘relatively’ young Christian who is voting for Senator Obama
******Now, this finally explains the rude, incessant, and terribly biased posting. If you’re really a Christian, it doesn’t explain the original blasphemous name, nor the anti-Christian comments.
But, perhaps some maturity will straighten you out someday. It is a real shame when young “Christians” behave the way that you have.
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Cheryl,
The easiest way to handle this, and still be able to watch videos, etc. when you want to — is to just hit the “mute” button. All computer have one and you can program it into a key on keyboards that don’t already have a key designated for it.
OR, if that bugs you too much, you can just turn the speakers down to no sound. All speakers I know of have a volume control right on the speakers. I simply turn it all the way to the left and I hear nothing unless I reach over and turn it up again.
There is no reason to go without. You can easily control when they are on and when they are not.
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TRS-
I understand your anger and desperation with the election not going your way, but I assure you the Lord is in control and His will shall be done.
Blessings to you, my friend!
RPN
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TRS,
That’s the option I chose on my work computer–mute, speakers off. Yet from time to time after a reboot or whatever, I’d be doing somehting innocent and suddenly my computer would be talking to me again, because it would have restarted the system without mute, and I’d have to go mute it all over again. I got the last word on this computer by leaving the speakers in the box. And honestly, since video loads so slowly, I don’t ever need sound. (I can’t think of any reason I’d want sound without video.) If I had cable speed on this, then I’d plug in my speakers and leave them muted. But I’m paying for DSL but only dial-up is working…and working slowly…so I don’t go anywhere near video!
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He said he and others were “so hungry for leadership” in 1992 that they heard but discounted “that telltale scratching in the box.”
That is a great image. And it’s not scratching but outright clawing this time, yet folks are still willing to ignore it yet again. Witness the Opie Cunningham video from the weekend.
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TJ
I appreciate your point. Many of us ignored the scratching to vote for W the second time.
I don’t believe an unrighteous war can be made righteous by persevering in it; nor its defects cured by starting a new one. Things like regulation, just ususry, taxation, and terms of trade are not amoral issues. These are all matters of state that individuals are not fully empowered to address other than through our votes and our prayers.
But anyone looking for Messiah on the ballot will be severely disapointed. If we can’t see Him in each other, we’re not likely to find Him at all.
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Huh, DJ? The Messiah is in each of us? (Christians are indwelt by the Holy Spirit, which might be what you were attempting to say, but it isn’t what you said.)
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# 39 Hi CHERYL D!
When I was writing I had Matt. 25:35-40 in mind:
“’For I was hungry and you gave me something to eat, I was thirsty and you gave me something to drink, I was a stranger and you invited me in. I needed clothes and you clothed me, I was sick and you looked after me, I was in prison and you came to visit me.’
Then the righteous will answer him,’Lord, when did we see you hungry and feed you, or thirsty and give you something to drink? When did we see you sick or in prison and go to visit you? ‘
And the King will reply, ‘I tell you the truth, whatever you did for one of the least of these brothers of mine, you did for me….’”(niv)
Hope that clears it up.
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DJ,
I sort of figured you were making some biblical allusion, and thought you might want the chance to clear it up, if you were! (Obviously there’s a difference between seeing an opportunity to minister to a homeless person as though you were ministering to Christ and “seeing the Messiah” in him!)
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Many of us ignored the scratching to vote for W the second time.
Decent point, but what exactly was the alternative? It’s not like Kerry was an improvement over GWB.
It’s like I told someone back after the 2004 election: if the Democrats had put forth a decent candidate, perhaps a conservative southern Democrat who wasn’t simply running on a pro-choice/anti-war platform, he would have waltzed into the White House, no problem whatsoever. And I would have probably voted for him.
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