Comments on: Wittenberg in 2008 http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Mon, 22 Mar 2010 08:19:28 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364668 Chas Fri, 31 Oct 2008 19:43:02 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364668 KLasko, as I said before, Luther is a hard man to get to like, but he was a giant in his day. I understand how he could have said some of the things he did. He was fighting a relentless enemy who was trying to kill him at every turn. I'm sure he remembered that just about 100 years before, John Huss was burned for doing essentially what he did. And after the council shown in the clip, his friends kidnapped him to save his life. I think it was Wartburg castle where he was kept for about three years. I've forgotten some details. KLasko, as I said before, Luther is a hard man to get to like, but he was a giant in his day. I understand how he could have said some of the things he did. He was fighting a relentless enemy who was trying to kill him at every turn.

I’m sure he remembered that just about 100 years before, John Huss was burned for doing essentially what he did. And after the council shown in the clip, his friends kidnapped him to save his life. I think it was Wartburg castle where he was kept for about three years. I’ve forgotten some details.

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]]> By: klasko http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364615 klasko Fri, 31 Oct 2008 18:24:34 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364615 #8 - Fisherman - Sometimes I find it necessary to remind my fellow Lutherans of a few facts: 1) He was a Catholic monk whose purpose in posting the 95 theses was to reform the Catholic church, not start his own religion/denomination. 2) Just as Luther found it abhorrent to worship religious "relics" from departed saints, so, I believe that he would finnd it abhorrent that people have elevated him to the status of some kind of super saint whose footsteps need to be traced, on some kind of pilgrimage. (Some Lutheran faithful have been doing this before the EKD came up with this "good" idea. 3) As I pointed out in #2, Luther was nothing more then a man, he was not some super saint, nor was he the 4th member of the Trinity as I have seen some Lutherans by their actions imply. (Hyperbole intended). 4) As a man, he had some very human failings and flaws which should not be overlooked, and yet they are often overlooked. His most glaring flaw was his anti-semitism. 5) Not every word he wrote is praiseworthy. 6) He above most, would be the first one to point all of this out (with the exception of his anti-semitic leanings). Happy Reformation Day to all. #8 – Fisherman – Sometimes I find it necessary to remind my fellow Lutherans of a few facts:
1) He was a Catholic monk whose purpose in posting the 95 theses was to reform the Catholic church, not start his own religion/denomination.
2) Just as Luther found it abhorrent to worship religious “relics” from departed saints, so, I believe that he would finnd it abhorrent that people have elevated him to the status of some kind of super saint whose footsteps need to be traced, on some kind of pilgrimage. (Some Lutheran faithful have been doing this before the EKD came up with this “good” idea.
3) As I pointed out in #2, Luther was nothing more then a man, he was not some super saint, nor was he the 4th member of the Trinity as I have seen some Lutherans by their actions imply. (Hyperbole intended).
4) As a man, he had some very human failings and flaws which should not be overlooked, and yet they are often overlooked. His most glaring flaw was his anti-semitism.
5) Not every word he wrote is praiseworthy.
6) He above most, would be the first one to point all of this out (with the exception of his anti-semitic leanings).

Happy Reformation Day to all.

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]]> By: fisherman http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364600 fisherman Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:57:16 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364600 It strikes me that too many religions are overly concerned about who they might conquer and who is seeking to conquer them. As I understand the real motive of Luther at Wittenberg he was most concerned about letting Jesus, rather than religion, conquer (rescue) sinful/broken hearts. And, there are plenty of those in every religion. (And, in every political party.) It strikes me that too many religions are overly concerned about who they might conquer and who is seeking to conquer them. As I understand the real motive of Luther at Wittenberg he was most concerned about letting Jesus, rather than religion, conquer (rescue) sinful/broken hearts. And, there are plenty of those in every religion. (And, in every political party.)

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]]> By: Theophilus http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364560 Theophilus Fri, 31 Oct 2008 17:12:56 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364560 amen Thorn.....after I close the restaurant for the evening, I shall retreat home and make sure I have nothing else to do. :D amen Thorn…..after I close the restaurant for the evening, I shall retreat home and make sure I have nothing else to do. :D

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]]> By: StuBob http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364490 StuBob Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:49:33 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364490 +1 to #5. Now that you mention it, Klasko, it does feel a little like a visit to Hannibal, MO -- Mark Twain everywhere. +1 to #5.

Now that you mention it, Klasko, it does feel a little like a visit to Hannibal, MO — Mark Twain everywhere.

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]]> By: Thorn http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364482 Thorn Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:42:28 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364482 The Luther movie is pretty good. Good rental for tonight ifyou ya got nothing else to do. The Luther movie is pretty good. Good rental for tonight ifyou ya got nothing else to do.

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]]> By: klasko http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364470 klasko Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:15:15 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364470 Maybe it's because I'm not a born-in-the-faith Lutheran, but a married in one, but it smacks of a plan to acquire more tourist dollars. It's a noble cause, but frought with a feeling of touristy kitch, much like Oberammergau's famous Passionspiel. I lived in Germany for 8 years and I saw the 1990 Passionspiel. Noble cause, touritsy kitch. It all feels like moneychangers in the court of the Gentiles at the Temple. Maybe it’s because I’m not a born-in-the-faith Lutheran, but a married in one, but it smacks of a plan to acquire more tourist dollars. It’s a noble cause, but frought with a feeling of touristy kitch, much like Oberammergau’s famous Passionspiel.

I lived in Germany for 8 years and I saw the 1990 Passionspiel. Noble cause, touritsy kitch.

It all feels like moneychangers in the court of the Gentiles at the Temple.

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]]> By: Graceland http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364467 Graceland Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:11:31 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364467 That's right, Nick. Everyone's out to get YOU. That’s right, Nick. Everyone’s out to get YOU.

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]]> By: Nick H. Peters http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364464 Nick H. Peters Fri, 31 Oct 2008 15:08:10 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364464 Interesting how he decides not to capitalize the word "pope". But look at all the other words he chooses to capitalize; Islam, Protestant, EKD, Promised Land, Decade etc. Interesting how he decides not to capitalize the word “pope”.

But look at all the other words he chooses to capitalize; Islam, Protestant, EKD, Promised Land, Decade etc.

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]]> By: Chas http://online.worldmag.com/2008/10/31/wittenberg-in-2008/comment-page-1/#comment-364449 Chas Fri, 31 Oct 2008 14:52:39 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=17855#comment-364449 Instead of a "10-year plan for Protestant Germany", they need to pray for a Spiritual Revival. Nothing they plan will work. If all these people would confess their sins, and pray and seek His face, great things could happen in Germany again. Instead of a “10-year plan for Protestant Germany”, they need to pray for a Spiritual Revival. Nothing they plan will work. If all these people would confess their sins, and pray and seek His face, great things could happen in Germany again.

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