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Pa. GOP airs Wright ad
We haven’t heard much about the Rev. Jeremiah Wright lately (has anyone seen him?), but in a last-minute TV ad, the Pennsylvania Republican Party is reminding voters in the Keystone State of Barack Obama’s relationship with his former pastor. (WARNING: Video contains offensive language.)
HT: Townhall.com
Topic: Campaign 2008, WorldMagBlog
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Besides being imaterial, a bit too late.
Good luck.
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I did see a report that affirmed that Rev. Moss (Jeremiah Wright’s replacement at Obama’s church of 20 years) has been campaigning with Obama side by side in recent days. So Obama still identifies with that church of hate in may ways still.
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Joel Mark post 2,
which of course suggest that you have clear links between Jeremiah Wright’s intemperate comments and the church itslef? How about the new pastor?
And your evidence?
And in the end do you really expect this will get any mileage? You have effectively 12 hours left to affect the election and this topic has been shown to have little traction.
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There is also a video out showing Obama saying he will bankrupt the coal industry. It was taken out of context, of course, but he said it. I’m sure he means it.
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No, Musing, this ad would only be too late if it were running on this Wednesday or later. In case you haven’t noticed, Pennsylvania is a state very much in play for TOMORROW!
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“Too late…”
Yes, indeed, it is too late for the Los Angeles Time to recover an ounce of credibility after covering up yet more evidence of a friendly association Obama has had with a spokesman for a vile terrorist and murderous organization–i.e. the LA Times is withholding a video tape of Obama praising Rashid Kalidi, spokeman for the PLO, a terrorist genocidal-supporting organization to the core.
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I just read that the IBD poll — the only one to have called it four years ago — says there is only a 2.1 percent difference between the two candidates. This is not over.
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In one of the ‘messiah’s” memoirs, he wrote; “To avoid being seen as a sell out, I sought out my friends carefully.”
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Obama thinks he can affirm on one hand how carefully he chose his friends, and then on the other hand, disclaim those friends and associations and say that those controvertial friendships were incidental and not binding on him.
I am trusting that the American voting public in 2008 are smarter than house plants. Sadly, it looks like a close call.
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God will be deciding on the new president tomorrow. We’ll see what he thinks and what his will is in just a few short hours. Pray for god’s will to be fulfilled.
Isn’t Mr. Wright a Christian? What does this ad say about Christians?
Good luck, McCain, I’ll trek to AZ to see just how cold the low desert can be in early November.
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Chas,
It is just one of many industries the Marxists want to bankrupt but it won’t be banks and insurance since they have nationalized them like their Hugo Chavez does. Health care, drugs, oil and gas re all on their immediate hit list. What wealth is left he wants to take from those that earned it and give it to ACORN, spreading it around so they will get more people illegally registered to vote for him many times under many aliases in the future..
Obama is a trade protectionist but most of all he wants to protect you fronm actually getting and having a job. He would rather see you poor and on welfare while he gives jobs to illegal aliens here and foreigners overseas. He wants to make all illegal aliens voting citizens immediately making your citizenship worthless but is Auntie would finally legal so she won’t be deported like ordered 4 years ago by an immigration judge. ACORN probably did get her registered to vote for him him many times though with the $800,000 he gave them to fraudulently register voters. We are on the verge of becoming a Serbia, no better than a satellite state of the New Soviet Russia. McCain looked in Putin’s eyes and saw the KGB, Obama sees a Comrade.
This is the Obama that MSM won’t ever find out abkt since theya re on Obama’s payroll too. They are no better than the criminal ACORN. It is never too late for the truth to come out though.
I’m still trying to find out of Louis Farakhan paid for his college education or he got a scholorshipo for being a foreign born student. Obama won’t release his college records fo some reason so we can find out. I’m guessing that we need to do a Joe the Plumber on him like he did on poor Joe.
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outkast post 5,
we will see!
But even if it were on time (and the timing suggests it is not) this does not appear to be an issue capturing the interests of the electorate.
And of course tomorrow will tell.
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NJLawyer post 7,
indeed it is njot.
But no poll shows McCain ahead.
And the elctoral college problem remains a real challenge.
Right now all of McCain’s hopes seem to hinge on Pennsylvania: without Pennsylvania even the most optimistic electoral readout is about 273 for Obama and 265 for McCain.
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“Isn’t Mr. Wright a Christian?”
Not according to any historic or Biblical definition of the term, he’s not.
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Ohio is also running a Jeremiah Wright ad; I’m not sure who is behind it.
I know it isn’t from McCain, but it may be from the RNC.
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#13, ah, that’s rich! He says he has Jesus in his heart and like most here, he knows that the way to god is through the son, just like most other Christians. A Christian with Jesus in his heart, no matter what else he says or does, is still a Christian, no matter who he slanders, steals from, lies to or murders. That’s the beauty of Christianity. You can “Act” or “do” anything you want, you just have to have Jesus in your heart. WOWWIE.
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Hey, Robert Mugabe claims to be a Christian, too. I guess we just have to take people’s word for it, right? Forget what Jesus said about fruit.
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Pennsylvania is also coal country. Why doesn’t McCain play the interview from the SF Chronicle featuring BHO claiming he would “bankrupt” the coal industry through outrageously high taxes? It’s all over the blogosphere. Try Michelle Malkin, first.
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The ad, or one like it, ran here in AZ yesterday. It seemed to me to be a weak ad, I would have preferred a stronger one.
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Remember Wright was Obama’s pastor for 20 years but Obama wasn’t aware of his racist views.
For those of you who don’t know Wright’s parishoners recently bought him a new house.
Was is in the all-black area by the church? You would think so. but no.
The house is in a gated community in a Chicago suburb that is 93% white. Ironic, to say the least.
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Wow — for someone here to call Obama’s church a church of hate is really ironic. To demogogue on Rev. Wright when far worse things have been said by Robertson, Falwell, Hagee and others on the Right could not be more absurd. Why is there not more talk about Palin’s “witch doctor” and this notion that Alaska is to be some refuge in the end times. Her views are positively nutty and yet apparently the press isn’t even allowed to ask about them.
And, Joel Mark, no serious person thinks that Kalidi is a spokesman for the PLO. Conservatives have rallied to his defense. He was chosen to participate in peace talks precisely because he was NOT aligned with them. This is racist demagoguery of the basist sort.
Llama’s comments, as usual, cannot remotely be taken seriously.
Obama will be our next president. And I think God will be smiling.
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Llama #10:
“Obama is a trade protectionist but most of all he wants to protect you from actually getting and having a job. He would rather see you poor and on welfare while he gives jobs to illegal aliens here and foreigners overseas.”
Do you really believe Obama’s goal is to make everyone jobless, poor, and export all U.S. jobs overseas? Really? As in, he’s aware that this will be the result of his policies, and actively seeks it out, because he consciously wants to destroy this country?
Don’t you think that’s more than a little nuts? For you to believe that, I mean.
There are plenty of Obama detractors who think his policies will run this country into the ground, but by and large they view him as a misguided idealogist (whose idealogies they also disagree with), not as someone with the express aim of doing the country harm.
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Thanks Buddy. This is a common meme on the Right. We who have different policies and beliefs are Anti-American, Un-Patriotic, hate America, etc. They can’t or won’t accept the notion that we want the very best for America but have different ideas about how to achieve that.
It’s why the Right is losing and becoming irrelevant. Enjoy the wilderness folks.
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DC Lawyer,
Which presidential candidate was Robertson, Fallwell and Hagee a close spiritual advisor to for 20 years? Which presidential candidate’s marriage did they preside over? And which candidate’s daughters did they baptize?
What “far worse things” did they say, specifically? Whether you think their theology is “nutty” is purely immaterial to this presidential campaign, and to imply that their churches are “churces of hate” is just utter nonsense. Bad theology doesn’t compare with racism.
“no serious person thinks that Kalidi is a spokesman for the PLO”
I suppose you think nobody who works at the LA Times is serious, then?
http://sandbox.blog-city.com/in_praise_of_the_los_angeles_times.htm
“Obama will be our next president. And I think God will be smiling.”
It the height of impiety to attribute American political partisanship to God Himself. God will only be smiling when people turn to Him irrespective of politics and give over their hearts to Him fully.
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To DC Lawyer
Without giving a trace of an example you stated that “far worse thing” have been said by Falwell, Robertson etc.
Never mind that Wright was Obama’s pastor while the people you mentioned have, at best, a small connection to McCain.
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The Virginia GOP is also running the Wright ad. They are also hammering Obama himself on the radio and TV.
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Wright has been Obama’s pastor for 20 years and the MSM doesn’t seem to care.
Imagine if David Duke had appeared on the platform with McCain on just one occasion?
Don’t forget the “Rev”. Wright’s church is tax exempt.
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If all you have at the end of the day is Rev. Wright, you’re not only wrong, you’ve lost.
May as well go back to the True Sons of the Confederacy or whatever other organizations celebrate Lost Causes.
The path of this hysteria is the path away from power and a path into the wilderness of sectarian politics. Didn’t church history teach you anything? (for that matter, didn’t you learn from Ronald Reagan?) Redeeming power comes from working on unity, not in this drift to the sidelines. Buck up. Get back on the field. And this time try to same something worthy of your convictions.
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JoelMark:
Church of Hate?
What then do you call yours?
You, sir, are worse than Bob Jones, doing your Republican masters’ bidding to smear anyone who threatens their fief.
Not to mention what your same masters did in North Carolina, faking up some footage and faking the very voice of their opponent saying “There is no God”.
Next stop Babylon, JM. Think about it.
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“Obama will be our next president. And I think God will be smiling.”
Actually, according to the second Psalm, He’ll be laughing:
“The kings of the earth set themselves, and the rulers take counsel together, against the LORD, and against his anointed, saying,
3Let us break their bands asunder, and cast away their cords from us.
4He that sitteth in the heavens shall laugh: the LORD shall have them in derision.”
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Good verse, Ken, and extremely appropriate for this day and age.
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Post #21
So God will be smiling when Obama becomes President?
Imagine the audacity of DC Lawyer to tell us who God wants for President of the U.S.
I wonder who God is endorsing for Senators and Governors?
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Imagine the audacity of DC Lawyer to tell us who God wants for President of the U.S.
As opposed to all whose who confidently assure us God does not want Obama? (#29 for an immediate example, and also most of the GMCs on this board at various times.)
Spare me.
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So, SteveG, you think it’s wrong for DC Lawyer to have said what he said?
Why don’t you voice your opposition to your own side for once in your life?
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I don’t know Rev. Wright personally. But I have read interviews and stories about him, and more full excerpts of his sermons, and I haven’t heard or read anything to make me think he’s a racist.
These charges are very unfair.
Rev. Wright ministered to people of all races in his church. The ‘fruit’ of his christianity is in his 3 decades of service in the name of Jesus Christ. I am willing to give the benefit of the doubt to a man who has done alot of good for the poor in his years of ministry. Under his leadership his church grew from less than 100 to about 10,000 I believe, and instituted community programs from child care to job training.
While I do not fully agree with his opinions or those of his associates, he should not be excoriated as a racist or rejected as a christian brother. I do know his denomination (UCC) is fairly mainstream, though his hyperbolic and bombastic style is more common in other denominations, such as the Asssemblies of God…which brings me to Sarah Palin.
I’ve made no secret of the fact that I’m supporting Obama, but it does disturb me when I see other people making fun of Palin’s church. It’s not wise for christians to canablize each other that way.
So tear Palin’s policies to shreds, or call Obama a socialist if you must, just remember that not everyone is a Baptist or Presbyterian, nor do they need to be in order to be a christian brother or sister.
http://christiansvoteobama.org
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“I do know his denomination (UCC) is fairly mainstream,”
Mainstream is synonymous with heretical these days. You seem to be laboring under the delusion that the holiness Christ demands of his disciples can be achieved by instituting social programs and drawing large crowds to hear you speak on Sunday mornings.
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I’m sorry, DJ. No Christian is out preaching Black Liberation Theology or damning America from the pulpit. They just aren’t. That is indicative of someone who has put social issues ahead of the Gospel (at best.)
As for Christians supporting Obama…
I cannot say they are not Christians. All Christians sin and make errors. But to actively support a pro-choice candidate who is against parental rights, promotes partial birth abortion, is against protecting infants born alive, promotes homosexual activism, and is for judicial activism…well, it seems a very, very deluded way to stand up for Christ IMO.
Just the fact that he supports murder should be enough to keep Christians from voting for him.
In my state, I voted for a relative unknown, even though one of the other guys was highly qualified — other than his pro-choice position. But, there was no way I could vote for him, since he was running for Attorney General, and so would have influence over what he would prosecute. I could not — as a Christian — support a pro-death candidate, no matter how qualified he otherwise was.
This is a matter of conscience. Even if Obama were a true Messiah (and he certainly isn’t), a Christian should not support a pro-death candidate.
Now, that doesn’t make an Obama supporter a non-Christian. I would fellowship with that person. But, it does make that Christian (and others like him) a conflicted Christian and a hypocrite. It does make that Christian “double-minded” — with a severe disconnect between what he believes as a Christian and what he believes in his worldly mind.
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The material below and the link will give you very good insight into just what “Black Liberation Theology” is, what it represents -
Hannity on Obama & Wright’s Controversial Black Liberation
This VIDEO is not to be missed. Liberation Theology started in Latin America. This sheds LIGHT on the whole theology of “Black Liberation Theology and its beginnings which are Marxist.
Columbia Encyclopedia: liberation theology,
belief that the Christian Gospel demands “a preferential option for the poor,” and that the church should be involved in the struggle for economic and political justice in the contemporary world-particularly in the Third World. Dating to the Second Vatican Council (1962-65) and the Second Latin American Bishops Conference, held in Medellin, Colombia (1968), the movement brought poor people together in comunidades de base, or Christian-based communities, to study the Bible and to fight for social justice. Since the 1980s, the church hierarchy has criticized liberation theology and its advocates, accusing them of wrongly supporting violent revolution and Marxist class struggle.
Bibliography
See studies by P. Berryman (1987), A. Hennelly (1989), and J. R. Pottenger (1989).
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David L at #33: No, I don’t think what DC Lawyer said was wrong. I think it’s silly to complain about what she* said when the conservative Christians do the same thing all the time.
Everybody wants to think they have God on their side, whether in a war or an election or even a football game.
And what do you mean “for once in your life?” When I do disagree with someone on my “own side,” I say so. This isn’t one of those times.
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TRS: No Christian is out preaching Black Liberation Theology or damning America from the pulpit. They just aren’t.
So you can define who is an is not a Christian?
What about preachers who say America brought the 9/11 attacks on itself?
JERRY FALWELL: And I agree totally with you that the Lord has protected us so wonderfully these 225 years. And since 1812, this is the first time that we’ve been attacked on our soil and by far the worst results. And I fear, as Donald Rumsfeld, the Secretary of Defense, said yesterday, that this is only the beginning. And with biological warfare available to these monsters — the Husseins, the Bin Ladens, the Arafats — what we saw on Tuesday, as terrible as it is, could be miniscule if, in fact — if, in fact — God continues to lift the curtain and allow the enemies of America to give us probably what we deserve.
PAT ROBERTSON: Jerry, that’s my feeling. I think we’ve just seen the antechamber to terror. We haven’t even begun to see what they can do to the major population.
JERRY FALWELL: The ACLU’s got to take a lot of blame for this.
PAT ROBERTSON: Well yes.
JERRY FALWELL: And, I know that I’ll hear from them for this. But, throwing God out successfully with the help of the federal court system, throwing God out of the public square, out of the schools. The abortionists have got to bear some burden for this because God will not be mocked. And when we destroy 40 million little innocent babies, we make God mad. I really believe that the pagans, and the abortionists, and the feminists, and the gays and the lesbians who are actively trying to make that an alternative lifestyle, the ACLU, People For the American Way — all of them who have tried to secularize America — I point the finger in their face and say “you helped this happen.”
PAT ROBERTSON: Well, I totally concur, and the problem is we have adopted that agenda at the highest levels of our government. And so we’re responsible as a free society for what the top people do. And, the top people, of course, is the court system..
(The 700 Club, Sept. 13, 2001)
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TRS: I cannot say they are not Christians. All Christians sin and make errors. But to actively support a pro-choice candidate who is against parental rights, promotes partial birth abortion, is against protecting infants born alive, promotes homosexual activism, and is for judicial activism…well, it seems a very, very deluded way to stand up for Christ IMO.
Conservative candidates take just as many positions that would seem to be antithetical to Christ as well. They tend to be positions that make it easier for big business to exploit people or pollute the air and water. They also seem to be quite willing, even eager, to suspend the Ninth Commandment in the purusit of getting elected.
Conservative Christians ignore those things, which are much more important to the Christian Left. On the Christian Right, if you line up on the correct side of abortion and gay rights, you’re A-OK, no matter how hideous a person you might be otherwise.
In truth, TRS, your description of what a Christian should vote against represents just another political point of view, and not one that is in any way inherently spiritually superior to its counterpart. The Left is ok with homosexuals, the Right is ok with cutting aid to the poor, and both have factions that call themselves Christian.
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“Everybody wants to think they have God on their side, whether in a war or an election or even a football game.”
Sorry, but I haven’t seen anyone saying that God will be smiling when McCain’s elected. God will be frowning either way. How much will depend on who’s elected.
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Steve G.,
I’m one of those on the Eight who is “OK with cutting aid to the poor” simply because the government has absolutely no business giving “aid” to anybody. That is decidely NOT the government’s role. But the government’s role does include protecting its citizens–legislating against murder, for instance. Even murder of the unborn.
See why there’s no hypocrisy there, and why a person can even say both (1) I care about the poor very much and (2) I don’t think the government has any right to take money from one person and give it to another?
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Whoops–”on the Right”
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The Lord of Hosts has a day of doom in store
for all that is proud and lofty,
for all that is high and lifted up,
for all lofty mountains and all high hills
for every tall tower and every towering wall
for all ships . . . and all stately vessels.
Then will pride be brought low
and loftiness humbled
from sea to shining sea
including flyover country.
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SteveG,
Your problem is moral equivalence. If you really think that taking the lives of legions of babies every year is on the same level as cutting government aid to the poor, you’re not thinking straight. We have black and white choices in elections; and when one side wants to keep on killing babies, Christians have a moral and spiritual obligation to support the alternative, with all his flaws. I don’t relish the idea of cutting aid to poor people (as if anyone does), but I like the idea of expanding baby-killing even less.
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DJ - I would suggest that it is indeed possible for a Christian to support a pro-choice candidate.
When I became a Christian, I was pro-choice, and just because I got saved, doesn’t mean that every single sinful idea I ever entertained and believed was purged from my life the minute Christ came in. In fact, I held to some very unchristian ideas, not through any fault of my own, but through a lack of proper discipleship and a lack of Bible study. I had no one to teach me how to grow in my faith. There was no one to show me and teach me how to walk the walk. As a result, I remained an immature Christian until God opened the doors for me to learn His ways. He is indeed the Rewarder of those who diligently seek Him.
There are many who claim Christ, and I would suggest that not all of these are false claims. I would also suggest that there are a lot of spiritually immature, and shallow Christians as well as some wolves in sheeps clothing. Sometimes it take some discernment to see the difference and extend some grace.
Because I was not discipled as a new Christian, I am all about discipleship now as Christian who is more mature in my faith. Part of the reason we have a maturity problem in Christendom is because of a lack of discipleship and know how to disciple others.
Salvation is one thing. Sanctification is another thing altogether.
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I’m sorry - Post #46 should have been addressed to TRS.
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Moth - 44
Before you get to excited about your poem, you might go over to the Glibness on the campaign trail thread, regarding your post #130 and answer a few questions at the bottom of the thread. Revenge is a strange thing -
Where does REVENGE fit into your poem?
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TRS:
If you really don’t support a pro-death candidate then you certainly won’t be voting for ‘bomb, bomb, bomb Iran’ McCain. I have a hard time taking anyone’s pro-life position seriously, who supports the kind of war-mongering mentality expressed by this republican candidate.
If we elect McCain, another war in the middle east is just a matter of time. We should have been working diplomatically to resolve our differences with Iran decades ago. We have only strengthened the more radical elements of their government by our ‘axis of evil’ rhetoric. Only just now has Bush come around to a more diplomatic way of thinking. I just don’t think McCain has that. He’s too unstable.
Although I often vote for republicans specifically because of aborton issues, I am not this year. And I’m afraid you’re mistaken if you think you’re doing the unborn any favors by voting for McCain in this election cycle.
If this economy is not put back on track very quickly, the unborn will not be the only ones to suffer for it. As unemployment continues to rapidly skyrocket, there will be more unemployed women, and more of them will be seeking abortions.
Now you can say that abortion on demand ought not be legal—and I agree. But it IS legal. And electing John McCain isn’t going to change that. Electing McCain will only increase unemployment and ensure that recession that is deeper and longer than need be. That helps no one—least of all the unborn or their families.
You are generous to offer fellowship even to those you consider ‘double minded’ or a ‘hypocrite’; I credit you for that. But my conscience is clean, so I have no appologies to offer.
Be well.
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On that day the Lord with his cruel sword,
his mighty and powerful sword, will punish
Leviathan.
Receive from my hand this cup of the wine of wrath,
and make all the nations to whom I send you, Jeremiah,
drink from it.
The Lord has a charge to bring against the inhabitants of the land:
it is my quarrel, and it is with you
Your nation is brought to ruin
want of knowledge has been the ruin of my people
As you have rejected knowledge,
so will I reject you
The day of the Lord is at hand
in the valley of Decision
The Lord has kept strict watch
and has now brought the disaster upon us
In all that he has done the Lord our God has been just
yet we have not obeyed him.
Thus preached Jeremiah.
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Arcadia wrote: “JoelMark: Church of Hate? What then do you call yours?”
We actually do have an official tag line on our church stationary:
“A Beacon of Love.”
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Wow! I’ve been known to post a lot of stuff but I have to wonder…
How many Victorias are there?
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Arcadia accused; “You, sir, are worse than Bob Jones…”
Do you know Bob, Arcadia?
Do you know me?
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JM:I’m sure many are just blinded by the light of your beacon.
Did you ever respond to my query the other day about your interpretation of “brothers’ keeper”? I lost track of that thread.
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One last note from the late but unlamented Mr Rove:
Karl Rove Predicts Obama Blowout
By Dan Eggen
The architect is not optimistic.
Karl Rove, who is widely credited as the mastermind behind President Bush’s election victories in 2000 and 2004, predicts that Democratic nominee Barack Obama will win Tuesday’s election with 338 electoral votes while Republican John McCain garners 200. The forecast puts Rove at the higher end of predictions for an Obama victory, even with several of the closest states being awarded to McCain.
According to the final 2008 polling map posted on the Rove & Co. website, Obama will take a wide swath of tossup and red states, including Virginia, Ohio, Florida, Colorado and Nevada. The former Bush political adviser predicts McCain will hold on to North Carolina, Indiana, Missouri and his home state of Arizona…
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The scariest thing for many of us is that if Obama wins, the conservative Christians, who have become quite radicalized, will resort to violence. We’ll have our own Christian Taliban in America.
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Anlir - 56
Ah yes. The Christian Taliban. The last resort attack of unhinged moral equivocators. Who are they, Anlir? Where are they? If they’re such a clear and present danger, it should take little effort on your part to identify them? Or is it possible they’re a projection of your imagination run wild? Or maybe just blatant intellectual dishonesty? Please, identify these folks for the sake of any credibility on your part in the near future.
Take (more) care,
SG
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I hear traces of Michele Bachmann.
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Serious George #58:
Read up on the terms “Theonomy”, “Christian Reconstructionism” and “Dominion Theology”. Rushdoony being the originator of the movement. This guy maintains a FAQ:
http://www.forerunner.com/theofaq.html
Some quotes:
“We are not looking for a “voice a the table” nor are we seeking “equal time” with the godless promoters of pornography, abortion, safe-sodomy subsidies, socialism, etc. We want them silenced and punished according to God’s Law-Word.”
“Therefore, the only people qualified to rule will be professing Christians who will uphold the moral law of God. This may be called a ‘theonomic representative democracy’ or a ‘theocratic republic.’”
“We want civil government to punish evil doers according to biblical sanctions. We want all moral laws of the Old Testament to be enforced according to biblical standards.”
“Capital crimes against the family include rebellion to parents, homosexuality and adultery. Sound harsh? Then what you are saying, in effect, is that God is harsh and that treason against the family is “not as bad” as treason against the state.”
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Anlir - I generally respect what you have to say, even when I don’t agree with you, but your remark about a “Christian Taliban” is really over the top.
Do you honestly live in fear that the moral police will come in the middle of the night and disappear you? Because that is the type of hyperbole you’re using. By your broad and sweeping brushstroke, I belong to your so-called “Christian Conservarive Republican” cabal which is obviously the forerunner of the soon to emerge “Christian Taliban” movement. We have been waiting for just the right moment to emerge and wreak terror on all manner of moral infractions. And that moment is the election of Obama.
Is that what you think of ALL the Christians on this blog? Even the Christians you claim friendship with? Is that what you really deep down in your heart of hearts think of us as individuals? That each one of us harbors a hatred of you and yours that goes so deep that we will become terrorists to force our will upon the rest of the country?
Christianity is not supposed to be a religion of hate, but it is also not supposed to be a religion that winks at and tolerates sin either. We serve a loving God who is also a holy God. (Holy means “set apart”) He is set apart from the sins of man because He is God and not man. We are to be holy as His followers because He is holy. We are to set ourselves apart from sin. Now I’ll admit that some of my brothers and sisters in Christ don’t do such a great job of setting themselves apart from sins like pride and self-righteousness and gluttony and the sexual sins that are comon to heterosexuals, among other sins. I myself have a besetting sin that I have a difficult time setting aside, but all this illustrates that ALL have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. We ALL need a Savior to deliver us. The Christiasn is one who has admitted his sinfil failing before the Lord and accepted the free gift of the atoning death of Christ in his stead. Saints are nothing more than forgiven sinners who try not to continue in sin. We are all works in progress as we work out our salvation in the process of sanctification. We all have a lot of yuk that was part of us on the day of our salvation and God is in the process of dealing with it. Unfortunately, it does not disappear overnight and it is a process. You, Anlir happen to see some of us in various stages of unloading that yuk in our lives, and you conclude that we are all hypocrites, but we are undergoing the process of being set apart by God for Himself. Most of us take a lot of work.
It saddens me that some of my brothers and sisters, besides rejoicing in their own salvation also rejoice in the appearance of another’s perdition. But to liken every Christian to the Taliban, Anlir, even for you this is an excess.
I will tell you that any Christian who behaves like a Taliban would be in the fringe and be thought of more as a cult member and not some one to be taken seriously among Christians, and would be condemned by the majority of God-fearing Christians. People wjo talk that way are not committing any crimes, but in my own mind, they have merginalized themselves and are not to be taken seriously by any God-fearing Christian, and are headed down the road of cult.
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Buddy Glass - your poster child for a “Christian Taliban” is one of the so-called Chgristians I mentioned that is heading down the road of cult. I can’t think of many TRUE Christians who would take this guy seriously.
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Klasko #62:
Most people don’t go as far as that guy, but there are many other instances where people head down the same road but stop short. For instance, I suspect there are more than a few mainstream believers who’d like to see sodomy laws put back on the books. Or, for instance, witness all the angst over gay marriage.
My point is that while those who cry “Christian Taliban!” *usually* do so as a gross exaggeration, there *are* still elements of American Christianity that fit that description.
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And once again, Buddy, I would suggest that these elements are on the fringe.
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I’m still waiting to hear from Anlir…
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Hey Anlir - since you’ve been gone all day and now that you’re back, I’d still like to hear what you have to say since I posted to you this morning…
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Klasko - #61 was excellent.
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Speaking of Reconstructionists and Rushdoony, I saw this today:
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2008-11-03/the-man-behind-proposition-8/
It talks about one Howard F. Ahmanson Jr., who happens to be the third largest individual donor in support of Prop. 8. He’s also a huge disciple of Rushdoony.
That doesn’t really change the fact that his beliefs are fringe, which I don’t really disagree with you about. I just don’t think they’re “Paul Hill” fringe, if that makes sense.
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