Comments on: Prop 8 foes turn violent

By: Provost

Provost — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:44:22 +0000

One day I was trying to nap in my empty apartment when a roommate entered and cranked his music up loud enough to vibrate the walls. Despite it being the middle of the day, and knowing full well he was unaware of my presence, my first thought will be familiar. Someone is going to die.

Homosexual advocates will be shocked to learn my roommate still lives. (Haven’t seen him in months actually. Perhaps someone else wrapped him in chains and chucked him off the dock.) I’m also convinced lots of married heterosexuals become frustrated with their spouses and yet refrain from adultery, although I cannot produce any statistics.

All this to say, homosexuality may be innate but it can be overcome. All sin comes from within. If people were not inclined to wrongdoing no environment could force them to it. Please do not think of homosexuality as some special point of discrimination. We all struggle with one different sins and temptations. This one just happens to have important civil repercussions.

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By: David L.

David L. — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:34:54 +0000

http://corner.nationalreview.com/post/?q=MGEyNzkxNTcyYTdhZWNiNjgzYzkxOGFiMTFkYTRjYWE=

“The voices of tolerance in California are concluding their campaign against Prop 8 with this TV ad, which engages in a level of blatant religious hatred I’ve never seen in American politics. Ever.

“I don’t think its been seen in American politics since the late 19th Century attacks on Catholics, which may be why the Catholic Conference in California was so quick to denounce the ad.

“It depicts two young Mormon missionaries (they are identified as LDS) invading a home and ransacking their belongings. It’s ugly in the extreme.

“Remember, a vote for Prop 8 in California leaves same-sex couples protected by full marriage-equivalent civil unions. None of that matters. If you think marriage means a husband and wife you are just like a racist and you can be treated any way they want.

“Apparently people who think they are the civil rights movement of the century do not think they have to behave with even minimal decency towards those of us who disagree with them.

“These are not some outliers in the wacky blogosphere. These are the leaders of the gay marriage movement in America who made and ran this ad.”

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By: Scroop Moth

Scroop Moth — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:16:23 +0000

Not all vandalism was created equal. All vandalism is at least a misdemeanor if not a felony, but some vandalism is closer to civil disobedience than to crime. Consider political signs. Unlike other kinds of advertising, political signs are “fighting” speech. The whole purpose of a political sign is to influence the outcome of a contest in which some citizens win and others lose. The owners of political signs know their display can evoke strong emotions. They cannot be completely shocked if their signs are vandalized, nor do they deserve the kind of sympathy we would extend to a business owner whose commercial sineage was destroyed.

If someone rips down my political sign, I have a right to investigate and press charges, but shouldn’t expect the world to show outrage.

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By: SteveG

SteveG — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 17:07:06 +0000

Chalzz: When you try to bring that to a liberal’s attention though, they show no remorse, but instead always point to the opposition and say they are doing the same thing as if it justifies their actions (which it doesn’t).

No, but it raises the question of why you single out those acts when committed by one side as worthy of condemnation and never acknowledge that your own side is just as guilty. To put as, “why are the hypocritical liberals not condemning these acts of vandalism” implies that only opponents of the initiative are guilty of them.

See Anlir at #111.
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By: CoyoteBlue

CoyoteBlue — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 10:24:43 +0000

I did not write that the folks who are ripping down signs have a right to do so because they are angry. I only added my 2 cents on why they are angry, which was what I took as the gist of Lynn’s question.

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By: RPN

RPN — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 06:16:24 +0000

“whether homosexuals stay married or not is not my concern, in fact I don’t care, and the reason is, its sin ”

By this logic, Victoria admits she doesn’t care if Bristol Palin stays with her Baby Daddy, Levi….

I hope she does.

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By: Victoria

Victoria — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:44:04 +0000

Chalzz – 112

You write: “You know, only one person actually gave a reasonable response to Lynns question about explaining the hatred behind the attacks against the Yes on 8 folks, and that was Rivcuban. I don’t agree with every part of his assessment, but at least he brought me into his world to help me feel what he feels.”

You must mean post 51, that was Rivcuban’s first post on this thread – SO, because you read this post you now understand what this all means? Where have you been Chalzz? -

YOU WRITE: “How on earth will gays remain married to one another with a finger pointing mentality they seem to possess when confronted on their wrongs? Some (not all) need to grow up.”

God said a marriage was between a man and a woman – whether homosexuals stay married or not is not my concern, in fact I don’t care, and the reason is, its sin – Growing up doesn’t mean you accept sin, or compromise your beliefs according to the Word of GOD – maybe you didn’t know that, or perhaps you don’t think that matters to Believers but I can assure you it does.

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By: RPN

RPN — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 05:15:56 +0000

Excellent post Anlir- 111

“Why doesn’t Lynn condemn those tactics?”

Maybe those be her SoCal peeps?

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By: Duncan

Duncan — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:17:08 +0000

Chalzz;

While I’m disappointed that you see my postings as “propaganda”, I am glad that Rivcuban was able to reach you on some level. Cheers.

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By: chalzz

chalzz — Tue, 04 Nov 2008 04:08:18 +0000

And thank you Dave for a well thought out statement in #27 above. My friend that worked for years at a conservative public policy organization on the east coast also faced eggings of their buildings, harrassing phone calls, and even death threats from angered homosexuals. There is a hypocrisy at work just as you pointed out.

When you try to bring that to a liberal’s attention though, they show no remorse, but instead always point to the opposition and say they are doing the same thing as if it justifies their actions (which it doesn’t). I am so tired of every time a liberal is caught doing something wrong, it is presented as if both sides are doing something wrong. Each side needs to take on accountability for their actions regardless of what the other side is doing.

How on earth will gays remain married to one another with a finger pointing mentality they seem to possess when confronted on their wrongs? Some (not all) need to grow up.

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