Compassionate conservatives
Leading conservatives’ responses to Barack Obama’s election were worlds away from partisanship. Their well wishes were not thinly veiled disdain for the Democrat’s triumph – instead they set a tone for the rest of conservative America.
John McCain’s concession speech, first of all, was unfailingly gracious.
In a contest as long and difficult as this campaign has been, his success alone commands my respect for his ability and perseverance. But that he managed to do so by inspiring the hopes of so many millions of Americans who had once wrongly believed that they had little at stake or little influence in the election of an American president is something I deeply admire and commend him for achieving.
A century ago, President Theodore Roosevelt’s invitation of Booker T. Washington to dine at the White House was taken as an outrage in many quarters. America today is a world away from the cruel and frightful bigotry of that time. There is no better evidence of this than the election of an African-American to the presidency of the United States.
And President Bush’s congratulations were more than polite:
No matter how they cast their ballots, all Americans can be proud of the history that was made yesterday. Across the country, citizens voted in large numbers. They showed a watching world the vitality of America’s democracy, and the strides we have made toward a more perfect union. They chose a President whose journey represents a triumph of the American story — a testament to hard work, optimism, and faith in the enduring promise of our nation.
It will be a stirring sight to watch President Obama, his wife, Michelle, and their beautiful girls step through the doors of the White House. I know millions of Americans will be overcome with pride at this inspiring moment that so many have awaited so long.
The morning after Obama’s election, Michael Gerson, former speechwriter and adviser to President Bush, wrote a column in The Washington Post, where he continued to express his concerns for how Obama will lead. But he made the overall point that as Americans, we should strive for our President to succeed, not fail for our own satisfaction:
This presidency in particular should be a source of pride even for those who do not share its priorities. An African American will take the oath of office blocks from where slaves were once housed in pens and sold for profit. He will sleep in a house built in part by slave labor, near the room where Lincoln signed the Emancipation Proclamation with firm hand. He will host dinners where Teddy Roosevelt in 1901 entertained the first African American to be a formal dinner guest in the White House; command a military that was not officially integrated until 1948. Every event, every act, will complete a cycle of history. It will be the most dramatic possible demonstration that the promise of America — so long deferred — is not a lie.
I suspect I will have many substantive criticisms of the new administration, beginning soon enough. Today I have only one message for Barack Obama, who will be our president, my president: Hail to the chief.
These words are the kind of thing that can raise the level of conversation in the halls of power and in Congress, where the bitter partisan divisions often prevent political action on behalf of the country. They show me that conservatives, while remaining conservatives, haven’t entirely forgotten their compassion.














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Contrast those speeches with Al Gore’s “concession” speech. Or the Clinton’s behaviour towards George Bush as he installed their pictures in the White House or at Mrs. King’s funeral.
My hat is off to Senator McCain. Good job sir.
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It is way more gracious than our liberal counterparts would have been, which they have demonstrated in the past. If there is anything worse than a sore loser, it’s a sore winner.
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McCain’s entire campaign was a concession speech, except, that is, when he was attacking and lying about Gov. Mitt Romney in the Republican primary. That’s wehen McCain was REALLY mean.
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Will someone please tell me when the statute of limitations will run out when we can still bring up slavery?
The U.S. had slavery for approx. 89 years (1776-1865). It has been gone for 143 years and it is not coming back. Will blacks be allowed to bring up slavery in 2108? Or 2208?
What do you think about a friend or relative who always want to re-hash the past instead of looking towards the future?
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McCain’s class is in stark contrast to its lack in other recent WH aspirants. Calls to mind the way Stephen Douglas stood ready to help Lincoln in the early days of the Civil War
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To Joel Mark
Rush Limbaugh copied your line about McCain’s campaign being a concession speech.
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Nick, some have asked if we really can justify Affirmative Action in non-racist America. Your thoughts? (As though we didnt know already)
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Nick #6-
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To Sawgunner
Remember affirmative action was suppose to be a “temporary” remedy to make up for past injustices.
It is now a juggernaut that has taken on a life of its own. Illegal immigrants now fall under the umbrella of affirmative action.
George Will had the best line about affirmative action. He said proponents of affirmative action are far more interested in attacking it’s opponents than it defending the practice.
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Indeed there are some thoughtful conservatives who are doing the right thing in congratulating Obama and wishing him well.
But the leading voices of conservatism are still outraged and being totally ungracious. Faux News and talk radio are bitter, angry, and hard at work to try and cripple Obama before he’s even taken office.
And where are the conservative Christian leaders? Folks like Dobson are steaming mad and talking about bringing God’s judgment on America. They’re behaving much like Rev. Wright.
But I do want to commend Senator McCain in particular for his thoughtful and gracious words. He understands that at a certain point in our nation’s politics one leaves behind the partisanship and behaves properly and graciously. And we will see that on display again on Jan. 20th when President Bush hands over the keys to the White House to President Obama.
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The only radio talker I’ve heard since the election is Sean Hannity and Anlir is right; he’s acting like a loudmouth schnook.
Anlir is evidently paying more attention to Christian leaders than I am. I haven’t heard anyone who was “steaming mad.”
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I must not be a conservative Christian because I never watch Fox news, Sean Hannity, or listen to Limbaugh, Coulter or Dobson. They don’t speak for me.
Elections should be like sibling spats. We may go at each other, but should defend to blood anyone who attacks our brother. We can all just go back to being Americans now.
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The following is from Beth Moore’s blog, my thoughts run more her way than the whiners.
“To my beloved Sisters who I esteem so highly and consistently find to be part of the solution to our problems in the Church rather than the cause,
Please join me in praying for our President-elect Barack Obama, his wife Michelle, and his precious daughters, Sasha and Malia. Go with me before the Throne of our sovereign God and ask Him to grant wisdom from above to President-elect Obama and the indwelling presence and power of Jesus Christ. In the words of the Apostle Paul, “I urge, then, first of all, that requests, prayers, intercession and thanksgiving be made for everyone – for kings and all those in authority, that we may live peaceful and quiet lives in all godliness and holiness. This is good, and pleases God our Savior…”"–Beth Moore
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Adios: Really?
If my ‘brother’ is busy expanding and enabling massive child murder (i.e. abortion), I am still required to ‘defend’ him – rather than work like the dickens to drive him from office, either by ballot or by impeachment?
Interesting.
I must have some deficiency in understanding in this area.
Educate me.
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To be honest, I don’t feel much allegiance to the America of 2008.
Though the responses from McCain, Bush, etc may have been gracious, they seem to imply that the only reason we should be proud of this election is that “Mr” Obama is black.
Let me put my armor on as I say I will probably be in agreement with most of what Nick Peters has to say about this. I am so SICK AND TIRED of hearing about what history has been made by an African-American being elected. Was that his only redeeming quality? And, BTW, why is it that in America we celebrate every other race, culture, etc. except plain ole’ white folks?
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The problem is that it is WE (the people) who are in authority in this country (theoretically, for a while, anyway).
So Obama is merely our EMPLOYEE. As is Congress (we don’t call them ‘Representatives’ for nothing).
WE ARE RESPONSIBLE FOR THE GOVERNMENT. WE ARE THE GOVERNMENT, NOT OBAMA.
As I have said, as members of the ‘governing board’, so to speak, it is our JOB, our responsibility, to attempt to get bad employees fired, period. Just because some (or most) of the board is too stupid or amoral to agree, does not determine that we should ‘go along to get along’.
I, for one, wish Obama abject utter and complete failure in many (if not most) of the things he has promised to do. I pray for that, in fact – how could I do anything different, based on what he advocates and plans?
But I guess I am somehow ‘deficient’ for that? Bleah.
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Re: #16
I, for one, wish Obama abject utter and complete failure in many (if not most) of the things he has promised to do. I pray for that, in fact – how could I do anything different, based on what he advocates and plans?
That seems to be the prevailing attitude among conservative Christian. It’s the counterpart to Rev. Wright’s infamous “- – America” sermon. It’s sad.
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Drill – But I would say you can certainly pray that he will succeed in any truly good thing he tries to do, & that on those issues with which you disagree, he will have a change of mind & heart.
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Nick (#4),
If you look only at the 143 years since slavery was abolished it might seem ridiculous for it to still be an issue. But abolishing slavery eliminated only the worst manifestation of a deeper problem that was not then abolished, the second-class status of blacks. You know that inequality was rampant for at least 100 more years. So even if slavery is not directly relevant, it symbolizes a deep issue in the memory of many people alive today.
The election of a black man is a great milestone, and I am hopeful that it so demonstrate how far we’ve come that we really will be able to bury slavery and all it represents, but it might take another generation for that process to be complete.
I think it would have been a stupid thing to vote for Barack Obama just so we could congratulate ourselves on how far we’ve come. (I’m not accusing anyone here of doing that.)
Yet, even though he was not my choice for president, even though I’m disappointed at his election, I feel real joy at what that election represents in our progress toward racial equality and reconciliation.
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Anlir – If a man were elected who wanted to push gays back into the closet & lock the door, & also wanted to outlaw abortion, & if you were a praying person, would you pray for him to succeed?
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So conservative Christians hope that the socialist takeover of America fails, and Anlir says that’s a counterpart to Rev. Wright’s speech. If by “counterpart” you mean opposite, than I agree.
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Anlir: Nah. Rev. Wright preached racial hatred and wants God to damn America.
I just don’t want Obama to enable the killing of any more children, black or white (by the way, most children being murdered in abortion clinics are black). Which he wants to do. So I want him to fail in that, utterly and completely. Imagine that.
You seem to have a problem with formulating meaningful comparative statements.
But not with killing children – you are cool with that.
Bleah.
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Karen O, you speak well for me in both #18 and #20. Thanks.
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KarenO #18: I agree with you; I can pray for Obama the man – just as I do for my neighbor, or my brother, in anything noble or just or good that he undertakes.
But I am REQUIRED to pray that he (or anyone else – or myself) will utterly fail in doing evil. And Obama has staked so much of his essence, both political and personal, on the pursuit and enlargement of evil, that it is hard to imagine that he would actually change course now, unless by some major miracle.
Which, of course, is possible with God, though highly improbable from my perspective. My faith is, as usual, very weak in this area.
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There is an ancient Norwegian poem, I think it is spelled Hovamol — but they have an “o” with a line through it. One of the stanzas goes like this:
Cattle die
Kin die
Thou thyself shalt die as well
One thing I know that never dies
Judgment over the dead
History is never over! Just think, you could be listening to feminists if Hillary had won.
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Anlir (17), it saddens me that you choose to characterize the most extreme statement here as the “prevailing attitude among conservative Christians”, ignoring the conciliatory and hopeful statements of several others.
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The machine ate my first post. Here’s a stanza from an ancient Norwegian poem, Hovamol (spelling???)
Cattle die
Kin die
Thou thyself shalt die as well.
One thing I know that never dies:
Judgment over the dead.
History is never over. Had Hillary won, we’d be reliving feminism!
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Anlir (17), furthermore your characterization of what I called Drill’s “most extreme” statement was a caricature of what Drill really said. There’s a huge difference between Wright’s “- – America” sermon and Drill’s hope for Obama to fail in specific matters that much of America opposes.
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KevinB
YOU WRITE: “Yet, even though he was not my choice for president, even though I’m disappointed at his election, I feel real joy at what that election represents in our progress toward racial equality and reconciliation.”
That’s a poor reason for believing we have made “progress” – there is no progress when the highest office of the USA will be occupied by Obama, whatever his color is, but if you think his color was/is important for ANY REASON, you have made an error — the mans beliefs, his background, his lack of experience, etc., etc. don’t match the position he will hold – that is not “progress” -
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I am going to try a third time. I don’t understand why I can post on another thread, but not here.
From an ancient Norwegian poem:
Cattle die
Kin die
Thou thyself shall die as well.
One thing I know that never dies:
Judgment over the dead.
History is never over! If Hillary had won, we’d be hearing from the feminists.
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it won’t let me post here.
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Okay, for the fourth time. With respect to the statute of limitations Nick wants on history, from an ancient Norwegian poem:
Cattle die
Kin die
Thou thyself shal die as well.
One thing I know that never dies:
Judgment over the dead.
History is never over! And if Hillary had won, we’d be hearing from the feminists.
I agree with Drill that the people are the government, that they work for us. We have other ways to make our voices heard, and we will.
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Okay, for the fifth time. With respect to the statute of limitations Nick wants on history, from an ancient Norwegian poem:
Cattle die
Kin die
Thou thyself shalt die as well.
One thing I know that never dies:
Judgment over the dead.
History is never over! And if Hillary had won, we’d be hearing from the feminists.
I agree with Drill that the people are the government, that they work for us. We have other ways to make our voices heard, and we will.
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it appears to have worked, Angel.
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#4 Nick,
I just heard James Clyburn, the Democratic whip from South Carolina say that on Tuesday the Civil War finally ended. He was the second black democrat in congress I heard say this today. It is their talking point for the next 4 years until the Civil War is probably restarted by Republicans. So the war is over and you missed you chance to talk about slavery. Doing so now will only get you put in prison where I assure you no one will care to help you.
Clyburn also said jobs are the issue and that government not business should create jobs for blacks through a public works program like the ones socialists created then to make the Great Depression last 10 year instead of 2 Sorry, in the era of Marxism, business will no longer be allowed to create jobs or be supported by congress to do so. A new thought and works collective in now in place, in case you missed that too. He also wants the US to buy up the car manufacturers so black socialist line workers will be able to work for the government too and he wants all the defaulted home loans in Detroit bought up by the government so blacks don’t lose their homes and be able to keep their black pride and dignity.
On a lighter note
Jimmy Carter, being a democrat from the south, said we should just buy the blacks nationwide so they can feel safe and know the civil war is finally over even though the North won, Now that his buddies are back in power he hopes he won’t be called insane anymore and shunned by them
He especially said that he did not wish you ill for some reason Nick nut I’m not sure about Clyburn:-)
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Anlir (17) — that is not the prevailing attitude. I know a lot of Christians and all of them I’ve talked to, while disappointed and somewhat wary, are certainly not bitter or angry. They have said they will be praying for the new president (and thanks for your comments Karen O in #18) and making the effort to be charitable.
Broad-brush statements characterizing most conservative Christians as angry, hateful and/or bitter are inaccurate and unfair. It’s simply not a very thoughtful approach.
Again, many of us are, I think, striving to be quite gracious after what was a difficult campaign. I’ve never been a fan of hard-edged partisanship on either side. At times like this, it reminds me why it comes across as so distasteful.
Grace looks very attractive, indeed, on both winners and losers.
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McCain’s concession speech was gracious. His boorish audience booed Obama’s name, chanted McCain’s name and generally acted like ill-tempered hooligans.
Obama’s acceptance speech was similarly gracious. His audience, however, applauded McCain as Obama spoke passionately of how much McCain has done and sacrificed for the country.
Drill and Llama would be right at home in McCain’s audience.
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To Llama
Interesting that Mr. Clyburn said the government should create jobs for blacks.
It is almost like he is saying blacks are beyond self-help.
Why hasn’t anyone thought about government assistance to blacks before? Oh wait they have. The hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars (at the very least) we have taken away from working Americans and funneled into the black community.
Have they appreciated it? I will let others decide.
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After 8 years of the vilest filth aimed at GW Bush, I am hopeful that class will be the reaction to Obama’s election. Will there be fringe elements? Of course! But I hope they never receive mainstream treatment like Daily Kos and Moveon.org. They must remain on the margins. We need to relearn what ‘loyal opposition’ means.
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I signed up to pray for Obama and his family. I will, of course, pray for God to lead Obama into righteousness. He claims to be a Christian and thus a child of God. So, he should be open to listening the the Holy Spirit.
If millions of Christians started praying for him to uphold him (once his supporters realize that he couldn’t possibly fulfill all their fill-in-the-blank dreams of change), to steer his heart to what is right, and to guide him into making Godly decisions, then what couldn’t we do???
The prayers of the saints avail much. Could it be that God would allow him to get voted into office so that he could then be moved by the Spirit to do much good?
Naturally, we will pray for his more Liberal-leaning plans to fail.
But, who better to work on limiting abortion, improving race-relations, and so on than Obama if God moved him in the right direction?
A man who had championed these causes would not be listened to. A man who was “reaching across the isle” on these issues and who was seen as a Liberal and a peace-maker could actually go far in making headway on them.
So, pray for Obama and his heart. If he really is a Christian, then your prayers will bear fruit.
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The Democrats set a VERY bad example over the last 8 years. They made no attempts to reach across the isle. They were rude and unkind to Bush from day 1 and have worked hard to undermine every effort he has made.
It is tempting to turn around and do the same back. Very tempting.
But, I despised Democrat behavior. And, in order to not be a hypocrite, I must not approve the same from my own side.
Whatever we can do — while still maintaining our principles — we should do.
“Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.”
It has to start somewhere. It can start with us. Maybe, just maybe, some of the principled few on the other side will join us. And, maybe just maybe, politics will get better.
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Drill – “I must have some deficiency in understanding in this area.”
Ya got that right!
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Gore’s concession speech was noble and splendid, a high note in our political history and a model of its kind. If conservatives can’t find a way to congratulate each other without making false negative comparisons to a detested liberal, they don’t have much going for them.
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Anlir honey where are you finding all these other CCR’s you are constantly telling us WorldMag Christians about. Did you not see the posts on Whirled Views yesterday and today. I stated that while I did not vote for him I am committed to praying for him. I have hope that in some way he will help be a healer for the country and bring us all back together. That has been the tone of MOST of the posts I have read here. Take a deep breath…I have decided to no longer be Red/Blue…I’m gonna be PURPLE… it is kind of like in monarchies…The King is Dead. Long Live the King. Bush is on the way out and Obama is on the way in…Long Live The President.
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I’ve never seen anything like the visceral hatred of Bush that went on in this country. What an ugly thing that was.
The boos at McCain’s concession speech bothered me, too. But remember this was a partisan group that had just come off an intense, no-sleep campaign and they were dealing with a loss.
It’s easier for the winners, typically, to be gracious than the losers. Except around here perhaps? The gloating and harsh accusations from some of you who “won” is unattractive to say the least.
I don’t get it, why are some of you still so angry? Good grief, you’ve hit the jackpot with this election. Try to enjoy it and show some charity and grace. Please.
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Spin — Gore’s speech didn’t even concede. It was the match tossed on the weeks-long dribble of gasoline that was the recount. The despicable “election-selection” paroxysms which followed, as well as the ill treatment of GWB which continues to this day, can fairly be blamed on Al Gore and his defiant “concession.”
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Steveg and Spinoza: Wow – so you are saying that you actually pray that a political figure is successful in doing great evil?
Now, let’s see. Exactly what God would that be, that you are actually directing such ‘prayers’ to?
Help me with this. Perhaps Moloch? Or maybe Cronus? Or that Aztec God with the strange name?
Well, at least you seem to be taking the old masks off and dispensing with your prior hypocrisy here.
And, on the ‘bright’ side, I guess at least you maybe could be commended for your new-found honesty in openly and proudly supporting the organized and massive butchering of children – and indicating (apparently) that you recommend ‘praying’ (to some unspecified but apparently very bloodthirsty ‘god’) for its continuance and its expansion.
But don’t fret.
You are just a product of your times.
And lousy times make lousy products.
Just ask the ancient Cannanites, or the Carthaginians, or the Aztecs. Why, they could not get enough of the blood of children, but they still felt lousy.
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To Donna #41
You can’t understand the hatred that some people feel for Bush?
How about the fact he invaded a pathetically weak country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and killed tens of thousands (at the very least) of totally innocent people.
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News flash: You can disagree (strongly, vehemently) with someone’s actions without attacking the person.
Yeah. What a concept, huh?
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George W Bush ran his first campaign as a compassionate conservative. He only achieved half of his objective. he may have compassionate, but he……and John McCain are NOT conservatives.
1 – 20 – 2013 Obama’s last day!
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or the first day of his second term
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Anlir, I just listened to James Dobson’s post-election show. He congratulated Obama and said he wished he could have voted for him.
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I don’t listen to Dobson, but I would like to see exactly what Anlir was referring to? Or perhaps was this just conjecture on his part.
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Nick, #6,
I never heard Limbaugh say that, but if he did, Rush is pretty smart.
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SCEPTER ALERT
Nick Peters, RE: your comment @ #36…
If blacks were a success story in other parts of the world but had failed in this country than yes I would blame that on the legacy of slavery.
Nick, this comment appears to suggest that blacks in America are less successful because they are black. That blacks are globally less successful because of something inherent in their blackness. Is that what you’re saying?
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Donna – Anlir always makes broad sweeping strokes with which he paints the Christians on WMB. He used to be a reasonable guy until lately.
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Anlir’s using confused labels to talk about things he doesn’t comprehend to people he doesn’t understand.
Clear enough?
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Drill at #48: Huh? I didn’t say anything about praying for anything.
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Victoria (29), I think you misunderstand me and have ignored the full context of my remarks. One can be happy about some things and not about others. I am happy to find it possible for the USA to elect a black man president. That is progress in America’s attitudes about black people.
I think I stated clearly enough that I am not at all happy that this black man was elected president. And I said as clearly as can be, “I think it would have been a stupid thing to vote for Barack Obama just so we could congratulate ourselves on how far we’ve come.”
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Klasko — I know that, I really tried to engage him a few weeks back in a serious discussion of his persistent (and offensive) broadside dismissals of Prop 8 supporters as “haters.”
No response.
I guess he doesn’t want to even try to have a dialogue on these issues. It’s too bad.
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I just read an article about George Bush speaking to his staff about easing the transition and telling them there would be no pranks. He came across as a classy guy in the article. Here is hoping history treats him better than his contemporaries did.
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Theo, that goes on to 12 noon. Not one minute more.
I have to join Donna J. Let the winners enjoy it — provided they do it graciously. I’ve listened to the anti-GWB stuff since he announced he was running, and I’m glad that’s almost over. I give that man credit for taking it like a man. Let’s not get like the leftys. That’s just childish. Two wrongs don’t make a right.
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Kim (62), I agree, and I’ve read other articles about his desire to ease the transition. He really is a good man, in spite of his opponents who can’t comprehend that they could oppose his policies without belittling him or demonizing his character.
Let’s remember that, ourselves, when it comes to Obama.
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We have a unique opportunity here to let our Light shine.
I for one blew it on election night…I was despairing, but that shows where my hopes really were.
God forgive me–my hope must be in Him alone.
I’ll continue to debate issues, but not attack the President. What a difficult job he has ahead of him.
I hope he can shake some of the weight of that office off enough to remember to play with his little girls. Daddies make such a wonderful difference!
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The difference is that conservatives truly want what is best for America. The want the president to succeed, because they want America to succeed. Liberals will throw their dying grandmother under the bus in order to get elected. They’ll have photo ops with our enemies and sabotage any and all political initiatives just to get ahead. All that is behind us now.
I am actually looking forward to the next four years. The whiners and haters have nothing to whine and hate any more. Having absolute and total Democratic control and a supporting upbeat media means nothing but optimism and joy coming coming out of our cable boxes. Once Obama takes over, you will never hear the word recession again. You will not hear anything negative about him ever.
The price of peace alone almost makes it worth it. A McCain win would have sent the haters into absolute fits of diabolical rage. I prefer the alternative actually. What times we live in!
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SCEPTER ALERT
Ni-ick…oh, Ni-ick…
I’m waiting for an answer to my Scepter Alert @ #56…
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Xion (66): You know, I’ve thought that same thing about how experiencing peace and contentment from our liberal friends in the land just might be worth McCain’s losing this election.
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Yes, this is one of those teachable moments for conservatives. Offer the other cheek, offer to carry your enemy’s pack a second mile, give them the cloak off your back, and don’t forget to make lemonade.
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Xion goes whacky at [66]
The difference is that conservatives truly want what is best for America.
Off hand, I would suggest you get out of the house more often. That, and blow up your TV.
Taking you at your word, and a touch more seriously: how do you know what is true (as in “truly”)? Isn’t that a claim to know the hearts of men? Such a statement confuses your politics with the motives of others.
Then, even more serious, ask yourself this: how, with that opinion, do you expect to have a dialogue with liberals? Well, rather obviously, to take you at your word, we can’t. So what becomes of politics then? It becomes worse than a zero-sum game. For the only path to preserve America must be that of shutting out liberals entirely. This claim to want what is best for America ends up (it seems) in destroying the very ideal beneath the heel of tyranny. That is what you’re recommending, isn’t it? No voice for liberals cuz after all we don’t “want what is best for America?”
Hmmm.
I rather doubt you are advocating tyranny. But that does seem the path you have set your feet upon.
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Taking you at your word, and a touch more seriously: how do you know what is true (as in “truly”)?
We know what is true based on what God says is true, Harris. We may not know the hearts of man, but God’s Word tells us all we need to know about them!
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Oh, Outkast, you are much too too trusting of the human heart. Or at least of yours. Better to be like the Berean and test everything.
As Calvin notes we all view life with a set of spectacles, and that certainly applies with Scripture. While I may think my understanding true, my Self/flesh may still twist away the meaning. At least that’s been the case with me.
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By the time we get done with Obama he will pray that God make him George W. Bush instead of the Messiah
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But Harris, I’m well aware that (according to the Bible) the heart is “evil.” I have absolutely ZERO trust in the human heart. And I have ZERO trust in those who went with their “heart” and voted for BHO this past Tuesday.
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Kim #62, good point. I seem to recall a less than smooth transfer 8 years ago with much vandalism having occurred.
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Outkast [74]
Isn’t this just a wee bit over-dramatic?
I have ZERO trust in those who went with their “heart” and voted for BHO this past Tuesday.
I mean, “zero”? Just between us, you may want a qualifier to that, because of course you trust some of those voters (ok, maybe you do live in a religious compound somewhere… but most of us live next door to folks from the other side).
Or perhaps you mean that you have zero trust in the policy proposals of an Obama administration? That would sound fairer and so more sensible. Hyperbole rolls off the tongue so easily, but like cheap wine, it can also make you appear less than your best in public.
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MAC and KIM still carrying water for the old urban legend?
White House Vandalism Caper Was Overblown, a GSA Report Finds
By CHRISTOPHER MARQUIS
Published: May 19, 2001
Accounts that departing Clinton administration officials destroyed office equipment and committed other acts of vandalism in the White House during the presidential transition were significantly overblown, a manager at the General Accounting Office, the investigative arm of Congress, said today.
The General Services Administration, which is sometimes referred to as the government’s landlord, found nothing unusual about the condition of White House offices after Clinton officials left, and Bush staff members said they had no records that indicated damage or subsequent repair work, the G.A.O. official said.
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At the time, President Clinton offered to pay the cost of any vandalism but requested a detailed account of what, if anything, was amiss.
No such records exist, said Mr. Ungar, who questioned members of Mr. Bush’s staff as well as workers who refurbished about 400 offices in the West Wing, the East Wing and the Old Executive Office Building.
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#70 Advocating tyranny? Huh?
I said conservatives want what is best for America. We will support Obama.
I am not talking about the hearts of men, but public actions taken by Democrats that are well documented. Do you ever watch the news?
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I guess the “W” missing on every keyboard is not considered vandalism (more of a practical joke, I suppose). Hopefully, the “O” will be present on every keyboard when the Bush administration vacates the premises.
Regarding President Bush’s congratulation speech, considering that Senator Obama had been telling him for 21 months what a dismal failure he is, I thought it was very polite.
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I can pop keys on and off my keyboards, and if the O’s are missing it will be funny. They have to leave the B’s on after the McCain staffer cut one into her face and made up a race baiting story.
Bush has an approval rating in the low 20th percentile. He better be polite, conciliatory, and cooperative, lest it go lower and ruin his legacy.
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Lynn Vincent
I am with Nick H. Peters #4 (who seems to consistenty warrant Scepter Alerts on this post and others). At what point do I, a white person in America, stop getting beat about the head and shoulders because of how someone else treated Black people 50, 100, or 200 years ago? I never owned slaves. To my knowledge, I have never treated someone different strictly based on race. I am thrilled that we will soon have a Black President (so, in this case, I am treating him different because of Race…bummer).
I do wish Sen. Obama was a different person, but not because I disagree with his color, but because I disagree with with his beliefs about the Constitution (flawed), America (fundamentally flawed), and life (if it is unwanted, kill it, no matter what), among many other things.
I am probably not bright enough to understand why we have to dig up the past to honor someone in the present. But, I suspect we will have to do it for the first Woman president, the first Asian president, the first Jewish president, the first _______ president (fill in the blank). When, if ever, will it end? I guess, when we run out of “firsts.”
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Very well said, MD. I share the exact same frustration…
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STUBOB: Gore’s speech didn’t even concede.
This is what Gore said:
Just moments ago, I spoke with George W. Bush and congratulated him on becoming the 43rd president of the United States. And I promised him that I wouldn’t call him back this time.
I say to President-elect Bush that what remains of partisan rancor must now be put aside, and may God bless his stewardship of this country.
I accept the finality of this outcome which will be ratified next Monday in the Electoral College. And tonight, for the sake of our unity as a people and the strength of our democracy, I offer my concession.
http://www.americanrhetoric.com/speeches/algore2000concessionspeech.html
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RPN
I am sure that Sen. McCain personnally authorized the “B” incident. How exactly does citing this incident support your case?
The Congress has a lower approval rating than President Bush (about half). It hasn’t improved since the Dems took over. And the whole Congress (Dems and Reps) are anything but “…polite, conciliatory, and cooperative…” Apparently, they don’t care about their legacy. They definitely don’t care about what they are doing to America.
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Xion [78]
The fly in the ointment was when you said “truly” suggesting to these somewhat liberal ears that the same could not be said of “liberals.” Nothing that I’ve seen or experienced in my engagement in Democratic politics suggests that such an assumption is warranted.
Both sides want what they believe is best for this nation. If anything, I see that desire as driving much of the youth vote, and the wonder that this land might truly also be theirs, as well.
And nah, I didn’t think you were advocating tyranny. I do, however, believe that when we start driving up the us v them divisions too high, we set ourselves up for a kind of corruption of our politics. With its reduction of opponents to caricature or worse, political polarization has often been the handmaiden for oppression and violence.
Sharp disagreements work best when both sides understand that they are working for the same good.
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This sort of thing is why I love George W. I disagree with a lot of what he’s done and what he believes, but he’s firm in those beliefs despite the entire world being against him. And despite being the butt of jokes and the victim of hate and lies, he still shows an honest grace to the very people who did their best to ruin his reputation.
Scroop Moth:
I wasn’t old enough to vote for the Bush/Gore election, but I do remember his attitude at this speech was less than gracious. After his speech I remember him stepping back and clenching and unclenching his jaw over and over again. His “I’m Al Gore, and I was once the future President of the United States,” comments are pretty funny, but also show a lack of forgiveness/realization of his political loss. I’m not saying he’s evil or anything, just that there is a definate difference between his handling his loss and the way George W. and McCain have handled theirs. Not to mention the Clinton administration’s punkish vandalism on relinquishing the White House, which still makes me angry.
On the other hand, I seem to remember Kerry’s concession speech was very polite and appropriate. I remember a lot of people thinking and hoping he would contest the count, but he conceded the next day without any sign of bitterness.
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MD (#81)
You’re giving a reasonable defense of what Nick said at #4 and questioning Lynn’s Scepter Alert.
The Scepter Alert was well-earned for #36, not #4. Do you defend #36 too?
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First – I know that “Scepter Alert” is a bad thing, but what does it mean?
Second – From what I have read, Nick can defend himself.
Third – I will comment. I agree that it may not be completely appropriate for this post by Emily Belz. But there seem to be very few forums for a REAL, OPEN, dialogue about RACE (for the average person). I believe that Nick is saying if you look at a culture in general and it is thriving everywhere but one place, you could deduce that the problem is not in the culture, but in the place in which it is not thriving. The Black culture, as a whole, is not thriving in America, by some people’s standards (fatherless families, average life span, average income, etc.). The Black culture is not thriving on the continent of Africa, where civil war and Aides are taking an UNBELIEVABLE toll.
Nick is not the only person that has noticed this. Bill Cosby has. Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton have. But everyone seems to have very different views as to the cause. Some blame “slavery” and some blame a “victim” mentality. Interestingly, the Jews were slaves many times to many different nations, and the Jewish culture seems to be thriving world-wide.
For America, it would probably be best if everyone, Black and White, stopped looking back and started looking forward. This would go a long way towards healing the American culture (Black and White). I am hopeful that the election of a Black President will be a big step in the right direction. Though they will try, no one can defend a position that America is a racist nation. Greater than 50% of America voted for Senator Obama.
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KevinB – 60
I can see what you’re saying Kevin, but I still disagree.
I don’t consider it progress to have a black/white president. His being black/white is not a reason in any way, to believe some sort of progress has been made.
If progress means that we can take someone’s color and consider that progress then we are ignoring VERY IMPORTANT reasons for voting and why we vote.
Kevin, I want to say this, and it’s not just to you, but to everyone, so please don’t take it personally:
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MD – 88
YOU WRITE:
“Though they will try, no one can defend a position that America is a racist nation. Greater than 50% of America voted for Senator Obama.”
Keep in mind MD Greater than 50% of American’s DID NOT vote for Obama, what is correct over 50% of REGISTERED VOTERS, voted for Obama. There is a vast difference between all Americans’s who have chosen (REGISTERED) to vote and those who for whatever reason didn’t vote – Every American citizen registered or otherwise DID NOT VOTE!
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Victoria – Good point. I stand corrected. So, where does that leave us? Perhaps it is just wishful thinking, but I like to believe that the majority of Americans judge people by more important things than Race.
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MD,
A Scepter Alert is a semi-inside joke with those of us who have been around at least six months or so (many of us have been here for years). Someone pronounced Lynn a “benevolent dictator” and one patron even crafted a scepter from wood for her. It’s simply a warning from the powers-that-be that a poster is warned for inappropriate behavior. Lynn and Mickey can’t be everywhere, all the time, but they try to keep an eye on the exchanges here.
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Cameron – Thanks!
Now, another thought, exactly on topic: Considering the Sen. Obama spent 21 months telling Pres. Bush what a dismal failure he is, I thought Pres. Bush’s comments were very kind. I know a lot of that may have just been politics, but I am sure many of Sen. Obama’s comments were exactly what he believes. I wonder if we and Sen. Obama had all the information that Pres. Bush had when he made the decisions he made, we would still judge him so harshly? I guess that is why you never REALLY know whether a president was a good president until many years after their presidency.
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MD – 91
I would like to think the best, however it will take months if not a year to see where this begins to lead after the Inauguration.
People who were not racist in the past, are now distrustful for several reasons, (this does not make them racist) one of which is, Obama’s denial of knowing what Wright believed, his association with Farrakhan – Black Liberation Theology was not a WIDELY known belief EXCEPT within the black community, until Obama’s campaign began – now it is KNOWN what is taught in these churches, people are now reading their beliefs, papers and documents on BLT, and it’s not impressive — the strange thing about BLT, is that it’s racist, and THIS after most other American have been called racist -
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#85 Harris “Both sides want what they believe is best for this nation.
Yes, now! Liberals spent 8 years urinating on everything American, trashing our troops, taking photo ops with the enemy, reporting only setbacks and viciously ridiculing everything that makes America great.
Well, you’ve won. All power is yours. We will stand with you in finally in moving America forward. God Bless You. And God Bless America. Let’s roll.
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