Owing little to evangelicals
For most evangelical Christians, Tuesday’s election proved to be a confirmation of what many of them had feared: Any sense in recent years that evangelical Christian values might have dominated the halls of power was only an illusion.
At least 75 percent of those who call themselves evangelicals (not much different from other recent elections) continued to vote with the Republican Party. But that alliance was soundly thrashed at the polls, as Democrat Barack Obama claimed a 52 percent majority in the popular vote. Only four times in the last 12 elections (Lyndon Johnson in 1964, Richard Nixon in 1972, Ronald Reagan in 1984, and George H.W. Bush in 1988) has anyone claimed a higher percentage of the vote.
Although few would make the claim that Obama is himself an evangelical, he did in the course of his campaign exhibit skill—and some would say believability—in discussing spiritual issues. His opponent John McCain, meanwhile, was reticent to pursue such matters. That left voters to guess how self-consciously either might apply his worldview to the task of governance.
With Obama’s thumping victory, evangelicals are now very much in a guessing mode on that same subject. Will Obama, they ask, follow the course of all his previous public service, during which he has been labeled—by the non-partisan National Journal—as the most liberal member of the Senate? His political coattails have given him strong majorities in both houses of Congress, allowing him substantial freedom to choose whatever priorities he chooses. Or will he follow the more moderate pattern promised during his campaign, during which he pledged to be a bridge-builder and consensus-seeker?
Either way, he owes little to the traditional evangelical bloc that largely opposed his election. Of great concern to many evangelicals is that Obama, because of his electoral clout, will appear to have earned the right to define public Christian values and ethics any way he wants—while their own contribution to that discussion may be minimal.














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Why should the “traditional evangelical bloc” get any special deference from the government?
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Or rather, why does the traditional evangelical bloc seem to assume it is owed that deference?
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I think it’s easier to say that the American Christian church is under God’s judgment and has been for sometime. Most Christians go to church, get saved and as R.J. Rushdoony put it, are mummified in a pew with just enough room to move their mummified hand into the collection plate, and they really don’t do that very well. We’ve gotten what we deserve. Congrabulations to us.
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The Republican party typically uses us at election time, then casts us aside. The only difference now is that BHO didn’t use us first.
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I’m afraid Bianca has a point here. The church in America has some soul-searching to do.
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StuBob, I had it explained to me like this. The conservative Christians are viewed by Rs the same way Dems view old-style black civil rights leaders or unions. The CCRs are like the car alarm that everyone perks up to listen to at a restaurant. You hear it and maybe even interrupt your meal, but you dont get up to check if its your car.
McCain is from a generation of men (my late father’s) where religious belief and practice were kept private and therefore unchallenged & unprobed/unpublicized. In the postwar “Christian America” you didnt have to be quite the apologeticist for the faith as you today must be. Barack’s experience in the Wright church gave him perhaps a glib and superficial grasp of religi-speak. (”Wow, he’s one of us!”) By contrast McCain’s golden opportunity to discuss his personal faith was blown. He used that time to talk about the faith of one of his North Vietnamese prison guards (the cross in the sand story). McCain came across as more inauthentic than did Barack
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It’s not the votes, it’s the dialogue, or the lack of it. If the opposition is only framed on a set of a few key issues, each with an already defined answer — how then does one get heard?
The opportunity in the Evangelical community is to thoughtfully engage the incoming administration. There are models of this sort of engagement already out there, Douthat and Larison come to mind. There is also the temptation to fall into fulmination such as Dobson did with that hideous, “what if Obama is elected” newsletter. Sigh.
The opportunity with any new administration is to recalibrate and reconnect. My prayer is that Evangelicals continue to develop that thoughtful principled voice that witnesses to convictions, and builds up our shared Republic.
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Basically, Evangelicals have made themselves into another political interest group like the teacher’s union, and then lashed themselves to the Republican Party. The downside to being tied to one party is that when the other party is in power, that voice will be pretty much ignored.
There is no reason to give deference to Evangelicals. They will have to fight for their policy positions just like all the other political interest groups in this country do.
If Evangelicals wanted to remain a “prophetic” voice, they should never have gotten themselves involved in partisan politics. Now they’re down here in the mud with the rest of us.
I feel confident that Obama will listen to the Evangelicals concerns. And then he will do what is good for the nation as a whole, which is a good thing.
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Putting all churches into one big pot certainly has no credibility. It’s just another sweeping off-handed remark which doesn’t apply to hundreds and thousands of churches who are teaching, preaching and reaching the lost to tell them of our Savior.
For those who are “mummified in a pew” they are there because they want to be, for those who know of these “mummified in a pew” pew sitters, they might try getting busy helping those who need to be helped, into a church which preaches the Gospel. Making snide comments about wishy/washy churches isn’t enough, do something about it. Tell people about your church which preaches GOD’s Word, invite them to visit.
If any of you are in a church which has lost its compass, FIND ANOTHER ONE, pray about your situation and move yourself to find another church.
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Anlir you’re correct; we never should have crawled into the mud in the first place. Leaders will come and go and if you believe the Bible, they are set in place by God. Our faith tells us that we need to run in parallel to this world. That is, we are in this world, hopefully to help redeem God’s Creation, but are not to be drawn into the matters that would lead us away from what where we are ultimately called to be; back home with our Heavenly Father. Engaging in politics is not the way of the Christian. If it was, I suppose Jesus would have coddled the Pharisees rather than confront them.
What is striking to me is the “savior” complex that has been attached to President-Elect Obama; not only in this country, but in many parts of the world. My only explanation is that if you don’t have a Heavenly Savior (Jesus), then you need to create one here on earth. Unfortunately, an earthly savior will ultimately mislead and disappoint.
May the one, true, living God’s will be done…on earth, as it is in heaven.
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Anlir, do you feel the same about the liberal church? the “Black” church?
Asking honestly.
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#6 Sawgunner
So Obama’s 20 years steeped in Black Liberation Theology where he was mentored by Reverend Wright and his close spiritual advisor convinced you that Obama really was brainwashed into blaming whitey for everything, think whites are racists and make him a confirmed Marxist like most other really authentic Black Liberation Christians? But McCain came off as inauthentic Christian who lead his group of Christians in worship while in captivity for many years from memory of the services alone while facing great personal danger?
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#10 NitroBob
I am very weary of hearing that Christians have no place in politics. If it were not for our forefathers who implimented the Constitution based on Biblical principles, this country would never have endured. Webster defines politics as 1 b: the art or science concerned with guiding and influencing governmental policy. Christians must attempt to guide or influence government policy with Godly ethics as the basis of that influence. J.C. Sproul teaches that morals are the IS, or actions of the people, while ethics is what AUGHT to be, or the standard. If the TRUTH of God is not the ethical standard of a society, then the lies of Satan will be, and they will manifest in the morals of the people. Abortion is the prime example of this. Inalienable rights: LIFE, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. Our government has exchanged the TRUTH for a lie.
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What has the Democrats offered us to make us want to go with them?
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Nothing but try to pass family friendly policies — maternity leave, health care etc.
What has the Republicans done to match their rhetoric?
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I feel confident that Obama will listen to the Evangelicals concerns.
Yeah, he’ll “listen” to all types of “whiteys” the same way Jeremiah Wright does, and then offer much the same response.
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I think that Christians in America have become too reliant on the government to do their bidding for them. Many of us have become lazy and passionless letting the government be our stop-light for action. We can’t do anything until the government does something first. It’s a good thing this wasn’t true in the past, otherwise we may still be waiting for the government to lead the way in ending slavery, for the government to lead the way in woman’s rights.
I am also disappointed that the GOP keeps getting hailed as the “Christian” party. The Democratic party is not full of godless heathens. Both sides have something to offer. Both sides get things wrong. At the end of the day we need to continue to live for Jesus no matter which party is in power. We need to remember not only to speak in Truth, but also in LOVE…many times we forget how powerful this word is. If it’s good enough to lead Jesus to the cross, it should be good enough to make us have a calm conversation with the single scared woman who’s considering abortion, or the homosexual who is struggling with their identity.
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15. All these will come come with a price. I’d rather be given the opportunity to provide them for myself.
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STUBOB: The Republican party typically uses us at election time, then casts us aside.
It took 48 hrs. for them to call you “hillbillies from Wasilla.”
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There are posters on this thread who let their fellow Christians call Obama “the spirit of Antichrist,” Senator Infanticide (presumably now President Infanticide), a racist, a liar, and a Marxist.
Others who don’t go that far were unfairly severe in their responses to his Saddleback Church appearance.
So if you have doubts about how you can relate to your next president, perhaps you need to start by determining if you really want to. It looks like your real troubles are right next door and across the street, not in the White House.
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Scroop: And how do our responses to the movement of most socialist person in the U.S. Senate to the Presidency compare with how President Bush was treated by your buddies the past four years?
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#20 Scroopy,
I have no intention of relating to President elect Obama, but i won’t call him Hitler, a drug addict, a drunk, a blithering idiot, a cowboy, retarded etc, etc, etc the day he was elected like the left did to Bush. But I will call him what he has become none the the less and have the facts to back it up. He did vote for infanticide, yes he actually voted for it and thus condoned it. He was raised and trained by Marxists, he associated with Marxist terrorists and I have seen nothing from him that makes him anything other than one. He is their poster child. His spiritual mentor, who he could not bring himself to leave, was an admitted racist and Marxist and Obama was a member of his racist Black Liberation congregation for 20 years – you bet he was a racist. We have already caught him lying that he was going to give tax cuts to anyone making under $250,000 a year and those that made more would get a tax hike and then he lied and said it’s really $200,000 adn the 40 million households that vote democratic and do not pay any taxes wouldn’t get a tax cut but a tax credit to offset their payroll taxes and then he said no to that to. He lied at least 5 times on this one tax plan alone.
So we call him what he is and what he has given us plenty of reason to know. You believe his lies but you will eat any slop he swills your way too. See that is the difference between the left and right. We won’t eat just any old slop like socialists who live off what is stolen from others to keep them docile and lazy. Some are just stupid. Which kind are you again? and don’t claim you aren’t a socialist because we dare not believe a word you say anyway either.
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Very well put at #22, Llama!
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“Of great concern to many evangelicals is that Obama, because of his electoral clout, will appear to have earned the right to define public Christian values and ethics any way he wants—while their own contribution to that discussion may be minimal.”
One can only hope!
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SPINOZA, hasn’t this train has left the station? Obama defined the dispute about Evangelical values as “above his pay grade.” Evangelicals were unhappy with that because they wanted him to equate public values with their values. Now that he’s won, they are afraid he will define public values otherwise. Perhaps the more they think about it, though, the more happy they will be with his Saddleback answer.
BELZ: Or will he follow the more moderate pattern promised during his campaign . . . ?
Either way, he owes little to the traditional evangelical bloc that largely opposed his election.
Pick a number and join the crowd in the waiting room, Joel. Obama owes everything to his website and millions of donors.
Obama promised to create a new kind of politics, but he never promised “moderate” policies. He regarded ideological conflicts between the left and the right as “obsolete,” but he never claimed that the alternative was a happy middle. Obama’s not a politician who congratulates himself before the voters as a “moderate.”
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The enthusiasm of many people for Obama’s election is rather like a feeling many people have after losing their virginity. Then, of course, comes the disillusionment of a long-term relationship.
The evangelical Christians who flocked to George Bush probably have much to offer the people on the other side about dealing with disillusionment and disenchantment.
There are some here who have maintained for eight years that the Bush administration has been doing just fine. That’s one model. Others are more willing to admit that they fell for expectations that could never achieved, at least in this life. Perhaps they have something useful to offer.
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#13 Bosa Nova Mom
I am very weary of hearing that Christians have no place in politics. If it were not for our forefathers who implimented the Constitution based on Biblical principles, this country would never have endured.
This country endures because it’s good at playing by the World’s rules. It seeks military and economic dominance. That’s how the World defines power, and THAT is how the U.S. maintains its power.
To the extent that Satan can dupe modern Christians into thinking this country is run on “Biblical principles,” he does. Satan is a practiced liar and deceiver. By buying into the notion that the U.S. is a Christian nation, you willingly let your guard down and walk straight into the deception.
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