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		<title>By: Thorn</title>
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		<dc:creator>Thorn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 16:18:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;which means they don’t like the idea of having a Black man “over them”&quot;

Yeah cause they just couldnt possibly disagree with the man&#039;s philosophies and ideals and vote accordingly. They must be just racist....

&quot;McCain wasn’t conservative enough&quot; 

He isnt and wasnt.  But he is &quot;more conservative&quot; than Obama. 

The party leaders obviously dont know anything worth trumpeting, look at the economy.  All the leaders rep and dems need to be replaced.  

But as far as Obama&#039;s presidency goes, as Kim Wade said a week ago, Blacks no longer have an excuse.  The opportunities are here in America for anyone to succeed. Obama is proof of that.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;which means they don’t like the idea of having a Black man “over them”&#8221;</p>
<p>Yeah cause they just couldnt possibly disagree with the man&#8217;s philosophies and ideals and vote accordingly. They must be just racist&#8230;.</p>
<p>&#8220;McCain wasn’t conservative enough&#8221; </p>
<p>He isnt and wasnt.  But he is &#8220;more conservative&#8221; than Obama. </p>
<p>The party leaders obviously dont know anything worth trumpeting, look at the economy.  All the leaders rep and dems need to be replaced.  </p>
<p>But as far as Obama&#8217;s presidency goes, as Kim Wade said a week ago, Blacks no longer have an excuse.  The opportunities are here in America for anyone to succeed. Obama is proof of that.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 03:42:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>McCain wasn&#039;t conservative enough ... I really, really hope the party leaders think that&#039;s the reason and try to get a much more conservative candidate next time.

But I suspect the party leaders know better and this is just Outkast&#039;s delusion.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>McCain wasn&#8217;t conservative enough &#8230; I really, really hope the party leaders think that&#8217;s the reason and try to get a much more conservative candidate next time.</p>
<p>But I suspect the party leaders know better and this is just Outkast&#8217;s delusion.
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<dc:creator>outkast</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:24:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#23: It&#039;s called humor. Try it sometimes. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>#23: It&#8217;s called humor. Try it sometimes. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: outkast</title>
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		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 02:23:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If the GOP had lost by a whisker, we&#039;d all still be arguing about why we lost. As it turned out, the entire party (or at least our smartest thinkers) seems to agree about the real reason we lost (McCain wasn&#039;t conservative enough). It&#039;s only the leftists who are saying otherwise, which should bolster our thoughts about what we have to do in the future to defeat them.

BTW, if anyone had an &quot;electoral mandate&quot; it was Ronald W. Reagan, who took 49 states. :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If the GOP had lost by a whisker, we&#8217;d all still be arguing about why we lost. As it turned out, the entire party (or at least our smartest thinkers) seems to agree about the real reason we lost (McCain wasn&#8217;t conservative enough). It&#8217;s only the leftists who are saying otherwise, which should bolster our thoughts about what we have to do in the future to defeat them.</p>
<p>BTW, if anyone had an &#8220;electoral mandate&#8221; it was Ronald W. Reagan, who took 49 states. <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: cs12</title>
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		<dc:creator>cs12</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 21:30:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>11-what exactly did you mean by your comment?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>11-what exactly did you mean by your comment?
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		<title>By: TRS</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 20:45:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>#21

I agree.</description>
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<p>I agree.
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		<title>By: Matt Y.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Matt Y.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>SteveG: No presidential candidate in the two-party system in America has ever won more than 61.1% of the popular vote. So 59% is pretty impressive, and if anything qualifies as a popular vote landslide, that does. 40% of the nation voting against the incumbent is pretty much a given.

Obama&#039;s victory is more impressive than Bush&#039;s, but as you say, neither has an obvious mandate. Obama does have an electoral vote landslide.

Personally, I don&#039;t see anything less than a 10% margin as a popular-vote landslide. Sure, Obama won a clear victory, and I wouldn&#039;t describe the margin as &quot;narrow&quot;. But I wouldn&#039;t call it a landslide either. But of course, it&#039;s just my personal view.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>SteveG: No presidential candidate in the two-party system in America has ever won more than 61.1% of the popular vote. So 59% is pretty impressive, and if anything qualifies as a popular vote landslide, that does. 40% of the nation voting against the incumbent is pretty much a given.</p>
<p>Obama&#8217;s victory is more impressive than Bush&#8217;s, but as you say, neither has an obvious mandate. Obama does have an electoral vote landslide.</p>
<p>Personally, I don&#8217;t see anything less than a 10% margin as a popular-vote landslide. Sure, Obama won a clear victory, and I wouldn&#8217;t describe the margin as &#8220;narrow&#8221;. But I wouldn&#8217;t call it a landslide either. But of course, it&#8217;s just my personal view.
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 17:17:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>RE:  52.6%.  

That was huge.  Consider that in 22% of all counties in America, Whites voted for McCain in greater margins than they voted for Bush, going against the trend of White voters everywhere else.  These voters are the &quot;boarders&quot;  who reside in Appalachia, Arkansas, Northern Louisiana, East Texas, and Oklahoma. They are &quot;racially conservative,&quot; which means they don&#039;t like the idea of having a Black man &quot;over them&quot; and are apprehensive the Blacks beside them will get more &quot;aggressive.&quot;  A White Democrat would have gotten a lot of those votes.

Nevertheless, Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight says:

&lt;i&gt;What ultimately distinguishes the elections that are considered to have been realignments is the efficacy of the governance of the rising party, rather than the force with which said party took office.&lt;/i&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>RE:  52.6%.  </p>
<p>That was huge.  Consider that in 22% of all counties in America, Whites voted for McCain in greater margins than they voted for Bush, going against the trend of White voters everywhere else.  These voters are the &#8220;boarders&#8221;  who reside in Appalachia, Arkansas, Northern Louisiana, East Texas, and Oklahoma. They are &#8220;racially conservative,&#8221; which means they don&#8217;t like the idea of having a Black man &#8220;over them&#8221; and are apprehensive the Blacks beside them will get more &#8220;aggressive.&#8221;  A White Democrat would have gotten a lot of those votes.</p>
<p>Nevertheless, Nate Silver of fivethirtyeight says:</p>
<p><i>What ultimately distinguishes the elections that are considered to have been realignments is the efficacy of the governance of the rising party, rather than the force with which said party took office.</i>
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 16:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>People like NICK H. PETERS  speak as if the Democrats used an &quot;African American Strategy&quot; finally to trumped the &quot;Southern Strategy.&quot;  But conservatives who think this election had a lot to do with African Americans are mistaken.  

The key of course was Hispanics.  They turned many of the 9 states Obama took away from Republicans.  Hispanic voters swung 24 points for the democrats, far surpassing the increase of 15 points in the African American vote.  This is a colossal change in our politics, because Hispanics are the only demographic group that is increasing significantly as a share of the electorate.

I&#039;ve been telling you so.  But no, y&#039;all moaned that illegal immigration was a terminal assault on lawfulness and a revolution in our social order, rather than a harmless infraction like speeding 65 in a 55 zone.  You fretted over Spanish as if it were a foreign language.  You fantasized about the gratification of roundups, deportations, and walls.  You forgot the genocide and imperialism that made you a majority for a fleeting moment in history, but that&#039;s another story.  Mainly, you forgot to thank God for the stranger within your gates, because without the amount of immigration we get from illegal entry, our population cannot supply the labor needed to keep our aging economy growing.

Hispanic voters understand these things, and have decided that you don&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>People like NICK H. PETERS  speak as if the Democrats used an &#8220;African American Strategy&#8221; finally to trumped the &#8220;Southern Strategy.&#8221;  But conservatives who think this election had a lot to do with African Americans are mistaken.  </p>
<p>The key of course was Hispanics.  They turned many of the 9 states Obama took away from Republicans.  Hispanic voters swung 24 points for the democrats, far surpassing the increase of 15 points in the African American vote.  This is a colossal change in our politics, because Hispanics are the only demographic group that is increasing significantly as a share of the electorate.</p>
<p>I&#8217;ve been telling you so.  But no, y&#8217;all moaned that illegal immigration was a terminal assault on lawfulness and a revolution in our social order, rather than a harmless infraction like speeding 65 in a 55 zone.  You fretted over Spanish as if it were a foreign language.  You fantasized about the gratification of roundups, deportations, and walls.  You forgot the genocide and imperialism that made you a majority for a fleeting moment in history, but that&#8217;s another story.  Mainly, you forgot to thank God for the stranger within your gates, because without the amount of immigration we get from illegal entry, our population cannot supply the labor needed to keep our aging economy growing.</p>
<p>Hispanic voters understand these things, and have decided that you don&#8217;t.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 12 Nov 2008 15:10:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It was Cheney who started the &quot;mandate&quot; talk in &#039;04, but it was quickly picked up by many of the pundits. I will grant you that neither Bush nor Obama has an obvious mandate (but Reagan&#039;s 59 percent was only a little better ... he still had 41 percent of the voting population against him, even after a successful first term.)

But even without an enormous popular vote victory -- which in a country as diverse as ours is very unlikely for anyone -- Obama still won big. 

And as for your obsession with non-white voters, Obama&#039;s support among blacks was only a couple of percentage points more than Democrats always get. He did apparently make some gains among hispanics compared to Kerry and Gore, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It was Cheney who started the &#8220;mandate&#8221; talk in &#8216;04, but it was quickly picked up by many of the pundits. I will grant you that neither Bush nor Obama has an obvious mandate (but Reagan&#8217;s 59 percent was only a little better &#8230; he still had 41 percent of the voting population against him, even after a successful first term.)</p>
<p>But even without an enormous popular vote victory &#8212; which in a country as diverse as ours is very unlikely for anyone &#8212; Obama still won big. </p>
<p>And as for your obsession with non-white voters, Obama&#8217;s support among blacks was only a couple of percentage points more than Democrats always get. He did apparently make some gains among hispanics compared to Kerry and Gore, though.
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