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Make it light, make it bright, make it gay (and violent)!
Drill pointed out, in the discussion thread of my “theater people” post, below, this story about Phyllis Burgess, a cross-bearing elderly California woman who was assaulted by gay activists during a demonstration for (and clearly against) Proposition 8. Here’s the print version, and here’s the video version. The video is from an actual newscast, where a reporter is first attempting to interview Ms. Burgess while those against Prop 8 disrupt the interview with success. Then, at about 2:40 into the video, Ms. Burgess is roughed up a little, and the Styrofoam cross she’s carrying is trampled. I’m not sure how I feel about the Styrofoam cross, or her general posture when she’s assaulted, but this seems like how peaceful Bolshevism turned into Stalin’s USSR.
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Passions are high out here. I guess you threw out this softball because you have video on it. How abou the elderly couple in San Diego county who were bloodied because they had the audacity to put a Yes on 8 sign in their yard?
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Here’s another one. A group called Bash Back stormed a church in Michigan.
http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2008/nov/08111104.html
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Was Bolshevism ever peaceful? I musta missed that memo. Ghandi-esque protests in Russia would most likely been met with bayonets or a Gatling gun from the Czars forces. You can only use Ghandi/Thoreau/MLK nonviolent tactics in western JudeoChristian countries.
The anti Prop 8 folks should muzzle their stormtroopers. Just as the anti Viet Nam war, Vietcong-flag-waving,-US-flag-burning protesters only helped get Nixon and Reagan into office, so the homo henchmen will only help strengthen the proFamily folks out in Cali.
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WWJFD? (What would Jerry Falwell Do?)
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I’ve said it once, I’ll say it again…
There are crazies on every side of every issue.
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Graceland, dittos! Talk about an example of HOW NOT to win supporters to your side. One of the YouTube commenters rightly pointed this out. Akin to how the antiwar extremists helped propel Nixon into the WH, no?
I recall seeing pro or anti folks silently marching with gags tied around their head to symbolize how the other side was “silencing them”. Not good if you want to put the word out on TV, but an effective visual.
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Some people do bad things when they’re angry. I much prefer a Ghandi-like response.
That said, the anger is understandable. When you’ve been declared a second-class citizen, you will fight for your freedom for all it’s worth.
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“That said, the anger is understandable. When you’ve been declared a second-class citizen, you will fight for your freedom for all it’s worth.”
I think you just justified killing abortion doctors, Anlir.
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Nonsense! No where did I justify or advocate murder. And it would be pretty low-down to accuse me of that.
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Anlir,
Violence in any political arena is not “understandable” nor justifiable—not in the United States anyway.
If you think so, keep it up or step it up and see what it gains you—your side only lost another three states this last election. It could be more.
Thugs whacking old ladies sells nothing to anyone let alone sympathy.
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This type of criminal behavior is typical for militant homosexuals.
It is also typical that other homosexuals make excuses for it. Having no respect for the freedom or safety of others, they tear the cross from the woman’s hands and physically abuse her—all because they are fighting for their freedom?
That is total, hypocritical nonsense!
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RonD,
What part of “I much prefer a Gandhi-like response” is unclear to you? (Note spelling correction, with apologies).
There are ways to fight for your rights without committing acts of violence on other people.
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Anlir,
I think we all understand the ‘Gandhi-like response’ part of post #7. It’s the second part of the post that is troubling. You say that you would prefer a peaceful demonstration, but you understand the anger of others.
Again, how does this differ from me saying I would never harm an abortion doctor, but I can understand the anger of others?
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Thank you Scott. My point exactly.
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From Colson’s Breakpoint, on the aftermath of Prop 8:
Two days after the election, 2,000 homosexual protesters surrounded a Mormon temple in Los Angeles chanting “Mormon scum.” Protesters picketed Rick Warren’s Saddleback Church, holding signs reading “Purpose-Driven Hate.” Calvary Chapel in Chino Hills was spray painted. Church members’ cars have been vandalized, and at least two Christians were assaulted. Protesters even hurled racial epithets at African-Americans because African-Americans voted overwhelmingly in favor of traditional marriage.
So much for ‘tolerance’. It’s going to get much worse before it gets any better…
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As Graceland said, there are crazies on every side of every issue.
I did note in researching the incident, that nowhere other than here were the words “gay activists” used to describe the people who assaulted Ms. Burgess. Once again the authors here insert tidbits to make the stories more inflammatory.
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Anlir, you speak with a forked tongue when you declare your preference for Ghandi and then, by saying that when you’ve been called a second-class citizen, you will fight for all its worth, you cleverly imply that you favor the verbal and physical assault of this lady. If any on our side of the issue made a similar statement you would be properly appalled.
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Duncan,
More likely (although I realize this concept may cause you some cognitive trauma), the other sources you read deleted tidbits to make the stories less inflammatory.
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Well guess what – there are bad gay people too – just one more way they’re no different from straights!
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“This type of criminal behavior is typical for militant homosexuals.”
As an empiricle matter, this is either a) false or b) telling of just how small a % the “militants” are in the homosexual community. You can examine demographics where homosexuals disproportionately tend to congregation, and they tend to be disproportionately affluent and upper middle classes, place that have lower levels of “lawlessness,” especially of the violent kind.
Fights rarely break out in gay bars. If we are going to be un-pc, stereotypical (which, given this is WMB, is appropriate) gays are disproportionately part of the musical theater, opera, ballet and art museam crowd, not those types that are stereotypically “lawless” in a violent way.
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Peter,
Of course, you are reading into my words a definition I did not give.
Sadly, it’s a good example of how conservative Christians and others (including gays) speak a totally different language. I’m not sure what can be done about that.
Among conservative Christians it seems that all gays are “militant”.
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Does this surprise anyone? How about a little Truth on the subject so we can all be clear and then in the future we will know what will always unfold.
gays love darkness
gay people are of every age(young and old)
gays require continual gratification; which requires continual recruiting; which sooner or later affects everyone
gays despise authority
GAYS WILL ALWAYS BECOME VIOLENT WITH ANYONE WHO STANDS IN THEIR WAY
gays will never allow even a physical hanficap to stand in their way of gratification
gays always need to be associated with some type of religious form
(Bill Gothard commentary on Gen.19)
sodomy is a monster of such awful mien
that to be hated needs but to be seen
but seen to oft, familiar with face
we first endure, then pity, then embrace. (Alaxander Pope)
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#22 That’s just silly…
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David L;
So that would make 48% of the Californians who voted “gay activists”?
Strange that news channels didn’t show up or the WMB ace reporters when our No on prop 8 sign and my husband’s car had “fag” spray painted across them. wonderful things for our children to wake up to.
Two wrongs never make a right. She shouldn’t have been assaulted. End of story.
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And besides, isn’t that a misquote of “Alaxander Pope” (sic)
He wrote “Vice is a monster,” not “Sodomy”
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#24 Well it sounds more like it was her styrofoam cross was more assaulted than she was. Still – isn’t that terrible?!
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#22 Bill Gothard – what a dork …
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A group critical of many Christian ministries and personalities, Personal Freedom Outreach (PFO), has published criticism about Gothard in three basic areas: they say Gothard’s views are legalistic teachings and interpretations of Scripture, they say IBLP and its adherents exhibit a “cult-like” mentality, and they express concern about what they perceive as Gothard’s application of authoritarianism within his own organization.[15] Gothard was also accused by some of being hypocritical for not practicing what he preaches about conflict resolution,[16] and for his “quiverfull” teachings that married believers should eschew birth control and have as many children as possible, given that Gothard himself is unmarried and childless, even into his 70s.
The Midwest Christian Outreach, Inc (MCOI) has also claimed that Gothard’s teachings are too legalistic. President of Midwest Christian Outreach, Don Veinot, in his critical book on Gothard, quotes Dr. Ronald Allen, Professor of Bible Exposition at Dallas Theological Seminary, a conservative evangelical theological seminary. Dr. Allen attended a Gothard seminar in 1973 and wrote of his experience, “In this seminar, I was regularly assaulted by the misuse of the Bible, particularly of the Old Testament, on a level that I have never experienced in a public ministry before that time (or since).”
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Indeed!
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I order to practice something we intuitivly know is wrong, we must first reject God’s laws written in our hearts(that’s why it’s intuitive)
This is why gays are drawn to a Christian format: the need to disavow themselves from God’s moral laws written in their heart, thus allowing them to practice any pervetion with a clear conscience.
disavow: to deny any knowledge of, or any responsibility for.
( if I am no longer responsible, I am no longer accountable)
This is the essence of rule #1 of my three rules that explain all human behavior
Rule #1 We need some one to blame
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Bill Gothard – what a dork …
Must I name all the fallacies today?
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#27 In all my years posting on any blog I have never ever called anyone any name. I only try to point out the sin not the sinner .
Quit telling when the last resort is when the only way to elevate one’s position is to bring anothers down personnally
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I did note in researching the incident, that nowhere other than here were the words “gay activists” used to describe the people who assaulted Ms. Burgess.
If this act wasn’t based on their beliefs about so-called “gay rights,” then what do you suppose it was motivated by? If it was motivated by their support for “gay marriage,” then it was, by definition, “gay activism.”
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#24 Duncan,
We’re talking about “this incident,” not about the vote itself. As Ree says above, it’s rather safe to assume that all the people who assaulted this old lady were gay activists. If other “objective” news sources want to airbrush that detail out, that’s their business, but they can’t change the facts by doing so.
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#32
Perhaps it was motivated by the right to equality, or perhaps it was motivated by a wish to maintain a separation of church and state. There were as many reasons to vote no as there were to vote yes.
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Duncan,
Perhaps it was motivated by the right to equality, or perhaps it was motivated by a wish to maintain a separation of church and state. There were as many reasons to vote no as there were to vote yes.
But for a person to attack proponents of Prop 8 based on these motives, s/he would be operating under an assumption that “gay marriage” is an issue of equality and a “right” (presumabley originating from some legitimate source) that the church is attempting to deny and, therefore, it would still be an incident of “gay activism.”
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Duncan (34): There were as many reasons to vote no as there were to vote yes.
You’re missing the point. The protesters believe there is no legitimate reason to vote Yes. For all this ridiculous talk of “taking away rights,” they are trying to take away rights of voting and free speech.
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but this seems like how peaceful Bolshevism turned into Stalin’s USSR.
Huh?? A small altercation or bullying scene and we must raise the stakes to include the specter of Communism. A little too much hyperbole which, given the failure of the “he’s a socialist” accusations, is outdated and no longer effective.
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I had no idea that poofters could be so militant. Obviously they hate God, who created them, because they’ve shown disdain for a simple cross the lady was holding.
And these are people who whine and scream about equality??
right…………..
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gays love darkness
gay people are of every age(young and old)
gays require continual gratification; which requires continual recruiting; which sooner or later affects everyone
gays despise authority
GAYS WILL ALWAYS BECOME VIOLENT WITH ANYONE WHO STANDS IN THEIR WAY
gays will never allow even a physical hanficap to stand in their way of gratification
gays always need to be associated with some type of religious form
As I said elsewhere, much of the discourse, rhetoric, and discourse here againt atheists, liberals, and homosexuals follows the style of racism.
No, it’s not exactly the same as racism, but it’s a close relative.
Also striking how sensitive the people engaging in this discourse are when generalizations are applied to Christians and how insensitive they are in applying it to people they don’t like.
Which takes us to the word “sin”. Which means something I don’t like but assign it to “God” because it sounds more impressive and persuades more people to share that feeling.
Lynn always asks for courteous conversation. She is a courteous person. But there is no courteous conversation possible in these threads. There are courteous conservative Christians. They flee these threads. They leave them to the people you see posting nasty generalizations and statements such as I just copied.
It comes down to struggle and conflict (probably peaceful) but somebody wins and somebody loses. The tide can always turn, but at the moment, I think you’re holding a losing hand.
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