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		<title>By: Xion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Xion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:48:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have no problem with homosexuals giving military haircuts, decorating offices and organizing parades.  :?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have no problem with homosexuals giving military haircuts, decorating offices and organizing parades.  <img src='http://online.worldmag.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_confused.gif' alt=':?' class='wp-smiley' />
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:03:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Yes, I know a small handful of soldiers would feel better (and a larger percentage would be made uncomfortable), but I’m afraid the costs would far, far outweigh their personal emotions on the issue. &lt;/i&gt;

Did you miss the fact that in this specific example we&#039;re talking about people who are not in battlefield situations? They work in offices. Their homosexuality should not matter any more than that of the accountant who works in the office down the hall, or of the middle manager you sometimes see in the kitchen. 

Let&#039;s say, just for the sake of argument, that there is a valid case to be made for banning open homosexuality in battlefield conditions (even though the problem is more with the homophobes than the homosexuals, IMO) ... how can that possibly apply in cases where the soldier&#039;s job is in an office, not a battlefield?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Yes, I know a small handful of soldiers would feel better (and a larger percentage would be made uncomfortable), but I’m afraid the costs would far, far outweigh their personal emotions on the issue. </i></p>
<p>Did you miss the fact that in this specific example we&#8217;re talking about people who are not in battlefield situations? They work in offices. Their homosexuality should not matter any more than that of the accountant who works in the office down the hall, or of the middle manager you sometimes see in the kitchen. </p>
<p>Let&#8217;s say, just for the sake of argument, that there is a valid case to be made for banning open homosexuality in battlefield conditions (even though the problem is more with the homophobes than the homosexuals, IMO) &#8230; how can that possibly apply in cases where the soldier&#8217;s job is in an office, not a battlefield?
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 06:00:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Cheryl: If a person&#039;s sexuality has no bearing on the work they do, and the unit cohesion argument isn&#039;t even in play, why should it matter? 

Do you seriously think it&#039;s more important to enforce the anti-gay rule than it is to improve national security? There&#039;s the advantage to the military ... they can make an issue of it and fire the same translators that they then complain about not having enough of and desperately needing more of .... or they can apply the modicum of common sense needed to realize that in this case at least, sexual orientation has no relevance to the work. 

I know anti-gay people define &quot;making an issue of it&quot; as meaning, not staying properly in the closet, but the rest of us seriously don&#039;t see what the problem is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cheryl: If a person&#8217;s sexuality has no bearing on the work they do, and the unit cohesion argument isn&#8217;t even in play, why should it matter? </p>
<p>Do you seriously think it&#8217;s more important to enforce the anti-gay rule than it is to improve national security? There&#8217;s the advantage to the military &#8230; they can make an issue of it and fire the same translators that they then complain about not having enough of and desperately needing more of &#8230;. or they can apply the modicum of common sense needed to realize that in this case at least, sexual orientation has no relevance to the work. </p>
<p>I know anti-gay people define &#8220;making an issue of it&#8221; as meaning, not staying properly in the closet, but the rest of us seriously don&#8217;t see what the problem is.
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 25 Nov 2008 05:51:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Steve G.,

Because the military is under a Don&#039;t Ask, Don&#039;t Tell policy, I rather assume that the 20 people fired had themselves made an issue out of something that should have had no bearing on their job.

What advantage would possibly go &lt;i&gt;to the military&lt;/i&gt; in changing this policy? Yes, I know a small handful of soldiers would feel better (and a larger percentage would be made uncomfortable), but I&#039;m afraid the costs would far, far outweigh their personal emotions on the issue.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Steve G.,</p>
<p>Because the military is under a Don&#8217;t Ask, Don&#8217;t Tell policy, I rather assume that the 20 people fired had themselves made an issue out of something that should have had no bearing on their job.</p>
<p>What advantage would possibly go <i>to the military</i> in changing this policy? Yes, I know a small handful of soldiers would feel better (and a larger percentage would be made uncomfortable), but I&#8217;m afraid the costs would far, far outweigh their personal emotions on the issue.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:34:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Kwerna: For one you&#039;re assuming that a homosexual can&#039;t contain his lusts, even with military training to do so. 

The second problem with your argument is that the anti-gay policies in the military extend well beyond the battlefield. For example, at a time when we desperately need people who can translate Arabic to English, the military discharged &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6824206&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;at least 20 of them&lt;/a&gt; for no offense other than being homosexual. 

These were not people in combat. These were people working in offices doing highly important national security work, told they were not suitable to do because of a trait that had absolutely no bearing on their jobs. 

How is that not blatant discrimination?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Kwerna: For one you&#8217;re assuming that a homosexual can&#8217;t contain his lusts, even with military training to do so. </p>
<p>The second problem with your argument is that the anti-gay policies in the military extend well beyond the battlefield. For example, at a time when we desperately need people who can translate Arabic to English, the military discharged <a href="http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6824206" rel="nofollow">at least 20 of them</a> for no offense other than being homosexual. </p>
<p>These were not people in combat. These were people working in offices doing highly important national security work, told they were not suitable to do because of a trait that had absolutely no bearing on their jobs. </p>
<p>How is that not blatant discrimination?
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		<title>By: Duncan</title>
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		<dc:creator>Duncan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 17:27:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>A very good friend of mine is a member of UK&#039;s Special Forces SAS &quot;The elite of the elite&quot;. He has been deployed in Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. He has been credited with saving the lives of at least 4 men in his unit,  and has been very well decorated and has been injured himself while on duty. He also happens to be gay. When I was last in the UK, I met up with him and some of his unit mates for a pint of beer. The topic came up and I asked one of his mates if it was an issue. His response was... &quot;he&#039;s gay (and pointing at another guy), and he&#039;s a wanker. What&#039;s your point?&quot;

One of the things that being in the military does is prepares young people to work as a team, a skill that they will take with them back into civilian life. Learning to work with people who have different beliefs, different skin color, different eye color, different life experiences and different sexual orientation can only help as the person gets older. And if we are really lucky, perhaps they will learn to look at a person as a person and team mate first.

John M. I hope the classes are as open as the one you describe as well. Only by getting the questions asked and answered will we dispel the myths, misconceptions and outright lies that exist about gay people in general.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A very good friend of mine is a member of UK&#8217;s Special Forces SAS &#8220;The elite of the elite&#8221;. He has been deployed in Northern Ireland, Iraq and Afghanistan. He has been credited with saving the lives of at least 4 men in his unit,  and has been very well decorated and has been injured himself while on duty. He also happens to be gay. When I was last in the UK, I met up with him and some of his unit mates for a pint of beer. The topic came up and I asked one of his mates if it was an issue. His response was&#8230; &#8220;he&#8217;s gay (and pointing at another guy), and he&#8217;s a wanker. What&#8217;s your point?&#8221;</p>
<p>One of the things that being in the military does is prepares young people to work as a team, a skill that they will take with them back into civilian life. Learning to work with people who have different beliefs, different skin color, different eye color, different life experiences and different sexual orientation can only help as the person gets older. And if we are really lucky, perhaps they will learn to look at a person as a person and team mate first.</p>
<p>John M. I hope the classes are as open as the one you describe as well. Only by getting the questions asked and answered will we dispel the myths, misconceptions and outright lies that exist about gay people in general.
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		<title>By: Cheryl D.</title>
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		<dc:creator>Cheryl D.</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 16:46:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well put, Kwerna.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well put, Kwerna.
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		<title>By: Kwerna</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kwerna</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 04:45:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is that the possibility of sexual subtexts (or aggression), whether open or ambiguous, is detrimental to  unit cohesion and morale, which, as a soldier, your life literally depends on. Similar to the problems that arise when men and women are tossed together in close quarters. Living intimately together at every level, soldiers must become a band of brothers, and this can be achieved only if there is no suspicion of ulterior motivation as they learn to trust and love each other as brothers. Inject  sex into such a context and in come unnecessary drama, power issues, inequality of treatment (whether perceived or real), gossip, jealousy, resentment, revulsion, heartbreak, harassment, and distraction. 

Our ancestors, who knew something of sexual passion, would be astonished how we try to talk away Eros as such a neutered, tame, incidental little thing. Or maybe to jaded moderns, sexuality is ultimately a trifle and a bore, and sex just a mechanical reflex, like a dog scratching his ear.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is that the possibility of sexual subtexts (or aggression), whether open or ambiguous, is detrimental to  unit cohesion and morale, which, as a soldier, your life literally depends on. Similar to the problems that arise when men and women are tossed together in close quarters. Living intimately together at every level, soldiers must become a band of brothers, and this can be achieved only if there is no suspicion of ulterior motivation as they learn to trust and love each other as brothers. Inject  sex into such a context and in come unnecessary drama, power issues, inequality of treatment (whether perceived or real), gossip, jealousy, resentment, revulsion, heartbreak, harassment, and distraction. </p>
<p>Our ancestors, who knew something of sexual passion, would be astonished how we try to talk away Eros as such a neutered, tame, incidental little thing. Or maybe to jaded moderns, sexuality is ultimately a trifle and a bore, and sex just a mechanical reflex, like a dog scratching his ear.
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		<title>By: Scroop Moth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Scroop Moth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 14:47:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And proud of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And proud of it.
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		<title>By: SteveG</title>
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		<dc:creator>SteveG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 02:32:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;How many young men will sign up to be part of “The Few, The Proud, The Queer”?&lt;/i&gt;

Young men who are not homophobic idiots should have no problem serving alongside homosexuals.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>How many young men will sign up to be part of “The Few, The Proud, The Queer”?</i></p>
<p>Young men who are not homophobic idiots should have no problem serving alongside homosexuals.
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