Comments on: Post-facto prophets http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/ A forum for discussion of news that arises at the intersection of Christianity and culture. Sat, 20 Mar 2010 20:38:43 -0400 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-376676 musing Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:07:42 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-376676 By the nature of the copnservative approach, it will adopt new ideas only after they have become mainstream and accepted (a definitional statement of the meaning of conservative). By the nature of the copnservative approach, it will adopt new ideas only after they have become mainstream and accepted (a definitional statement of the meaning of conservative).

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-376675 musing Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:03:58 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-376675 And I am reminded about how enthusiastically Peter Leavitt supported the increase in troops in Iraq, after Bush proposed and executed on the surge. :-) And I am reminded about how enthusiastically Peter Leavitt supported the increase in troops in Iraq, after Bush proposed and executed on the surge. :-)

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]]> By: musing http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-376672 musing Sat, 06 Dec 2008 19:02:35 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-376672 Hmm if we truly believed this commentary then presumably we would not immediately disavow new ideas and new approaches immediately as crack pot ideas. Why when I thnk about Christianity ... :-) Hmm if we truly believed this commentary then presumably we would not immediately disavow new ideas and new approaches immediately as crack pot ideas.

Why when I thnk about Christianity … :-)

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-374096 Peter Leavitt Thu, 27 Nov 2008 00:09:50 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-374096 Thanks Tychicus. This was a shattering betrayal of the Czech people who were ready to fight Hitler. The result was that for more than fifty years the Czechs had to deal with the cruelties and horrors of Fascism and of Fascism and Communism. The difference between statesmen and ordinary politicians makes for enormous results. Just now our country is in need of economic statesmen who will speak truth and address difficult issues squarely. We need individuals and families to do the same, for often the politicians reflect the sentimental populism and small mindedness of their constituents. Thanks Tychicus. This was a shattering betrayal of the Czech people who were ready to fight Hitler. The result was that for more than fifty years the Czechs had to deal with the cruelties and horrors of Fascism and of Fascism and Communism. The difference between statesmen and ordinary politicians makes for enormous results. Just now our country is in need of economic statesmen who will speak truth and address difficult issues squarely. We need individuals and families to do the same, for often the politicians reflect the sentimental populism and small mindedness of their constituents.

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]]> By: Tychicus http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-374080 Tychicus Wed, 26 Nov 2008 22:51:04 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-374080 Peter: I recently visited bunkers that the Czechs built in the late 1930's in order to prepare for fighting the Nazis. After the Munich Agreement, the Czechs felt totally betrayed and therefore didn't put up resistance when the Nazis invaded. The bunkers were never used. The Munich Agreement and the post-war Yalta Agreement were absolutely catastrophic for the millions of people across Central and Eastern Europe. Peter: I recently visited bunkers that the Czechs built in the late 1930’s in order to prepare for fighting the Nazis. After the Munich Agreement, the Czechs felt totally betrayed and therefore didn’t put up resistance when the Nazis invaded. The bunkers were never used. The Munich Agreement and the post-war Yalta Agreement were absolutely catastrophic for the millions of people across Central and Eastern Europe.

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]]> By: Peter Leavitt http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-373945 Peter Leavitt Wed, 26 Nov 2008 17:32:53 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-373945 One has to distinguish statesmen from ordinary feckless politicians. Just now I'm reading a book about the courageous statesman, churchill, who spoke the truth about Hitler's true intentions to Chamberlain and the British people after Chamberlain's now infamously shabby deal with Hitler that sacrificed Czechoslovakia. At the time this deal was immensely popular and Churchill was vilified as a warmonger. Most of the politicians favored it, as did the King of England. Of course, after Poland was invaded in 1939, the truth dawned on the British people and Churchill became Prime Minister ending up as the greatest statesman in the world during the Twentieth Century. Remember too that during his time Lincoln was vilified by many American people. One has to distinguish statesmen from ordinary feckless politicians. Just now I’m reading a book about the courageous statesman, churchill, who spoke the truth about Hitler’s true intentions to Chamberlain and the British people after Chamberlain’s now infamously shabby deal with Hitler that sacrificed Czechoslovakia. At the time this deal was immensely popular and Churchill was vilified as a warmonger. Most of the politicians favored it, as did the King of England.

Of course, after Poland was invaded in 1939, the truth dawned on the British people and Churchill became Prime Minister ending up as the greatest statesman in the world during the Twentieth Century.

Remember too that during his time Lincoln was vilified by many American people.

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]]> By: klasko http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-373864 klasko Wed, 26 Nov 2008 14:15:21 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-373864 There are very few men who will speak truth to power. Most are too busy trying to attain or maintain power and are thus the power brokers. There are very few men who will speak truth to power.

Most are too busy trying to attain or maintain power and are thus the power brokers.

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]]> By: Sawgunner http://online.worldmag.com/2008/11/26/post-facto-prophets/comment-page-1/#comment-373838 Sawgunner Wed, 26 Nov 2008 12:45:16 +0000 http://online.worldmag.com/?p=18162#comment-373838 Andree, it reminds me of a Connecticut politician from several years back (Lowell Weicker, a true Northeastern RINO). He bragged that he had been able to convince the state legislature to raise the state's taxes. And this was lauded as an instance of discernment and statesmanship. "They were reluctant but I talked them into raising taxes." Andree, it reminds me of a Connecticut politician from several years back (Lowell Weicker, a true Northeastern RINO). He bragged that he had been able to convince the state legislature to raise the state’s taxes. And this was lauded as an instance of discernment and statesmanship. “They were reluctant but I talked them into raising taxes.”

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