IMO, there is a great comparison.

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A doctor who implants a ‘pace maker’ is not creating a NEW LIFE in a dish, he is using an implant to prolong life, there is a great difference between the two, in fact there is no comparison.

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*******Which happens in coitus all the time. Every “coupling” does not create a baby. God is just as capable of deciding not to let an egg and a sperm get together and make a child in the womb or in the petri dish. How many of those in the petri dish never make it to being born for no apparent reason?

I really think that Thomas has it right. You are making yourselves arbiters of what is and isn’t God’s will and what is and isn’t an accepted medical procedure.

After all, perhaps it is God’s will that someone die of a heart attack and the doctors are thwarting that by implanting a pace maker.

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Wow .. you are a lot older than I would have guessed!

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Those who are childless are not ill, they simply have not been blessed, conceiving a child. This does not mean they haven’t been blessed in other ways, it just means they have not born children. So many children waiting for homes to be adopted, yet couples can gaze upon those little ones in need, and basicly demand that they have a child no matter what the cost, and I don’t mean just financial – Do we not accept GOD’s Will for our lives, but find a way around what GOD has in store for us? – it might not be what we dreamed, but it is HIS plan at work which will bring us joy and peace -

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YOU WRITE: “There are those who say that blood transfusionas are against His will. I don’t believe either you or they are particularly good arbiters of that.”

Yes the Jehovah’s Witnesses do not believe in “blood transfusions” –

GOD brings about life, HE always has from the beginning of Adam and Eve. Handling eggs and sperm, no matter how much care is taken, whether they are united in petri dish means, that some eggs, and some sperm can be destroyed in the process – which is a glaring example of man playing GOD, taking liberties with life that aren’t his to take.

The problem with medicine today; some scientist and doctors would rather create life than use his skills to HEAL those who are ill. Healing isn’t creating a new human being in a petri dish its using ones skills and scientfic knowledge to help people live better, ie. eye, hearing loss, disease such as cancer, and heart, diabetes and a host of other illnesses.

But when Jesus heard that, he said unto them, They that be whole need not a physician, but they that are sick. Matthew 9:12

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Neither does ART do that. It is still a coming together of egg and sperm, just in a petri dish instaed of a uterus. Once united, they go back to the uterus.

The “God’s Will” argument falls a little flat to my ears, because it is your interpretation of which medical procedures are His will and which are not. There are those who say that blood transfusionas are against His will. I don’t believe either you or they are particularly good arbiters of that.

Also, TRS at #13, I think it is more than just the cost. My understanding is that harvesting eggs for this procedure is a painstaking and uncomfortable procedure, so it is far more efficient to harvest several eggs at once. Also, since there can be a high failure rate for a fertilized egg to begin developing (just as with natural fertilization), you need to wait until you see development taking place before you transfer the embryo. Since timing the transfer is also sensitive, more than one egg is fertilized to try and ensure that there is at least one that is beginning to develop.

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