New Anglican denomination
Theological conservatives who have left the Episcopal Church over doctrinal issues, including the ordination of an openly gay bishop, announced today that they are forming their own rival denomination, or province: The Anglican Church in North America, which will include four U.S. dioceses that recently split from the church, as well as other breakaway Anglican parishes in the United States and Canada.
“We’re going through Reformation times, and in Reformation times things aren’t neat and clean,” Bishop Robert Duncan of Pittsburgh told The New York Times, “In Reformation times, new structures are emerging.” Duncan likely will be named the head of the new province.
According to the Times report:
Bishop Duncan and other conservative leaders in North America say they may not seek approval for their new province from the Archbishop of Canterbury, the Most Rev. Rowan Williams, or from the Anglican Consultative Council, the leadership group of bishops, clergy and laity in the Communion that until now was largely responsible for blessing new jurisdictions.
Bishop Martyn Minns, a leading figure in the formation of the new province, said of the Archbishop of Canterbury: “It’s desirable that he get behind this. It’s something that would bring a little more coherence to the life of the Communion. But if he doesn’t, so be it.”
Bishop Minns, a priest who led his large, historic church in Virginia out of the Episcopal Church two years ago and was subsequently ordained a bishop by the Anglican Archbishop of Nigeria, said: “One of the questions a number of the primates are asking is why do we still need to be operating under the rules of an English charity, which is what the Anglican Consultative Council does. Why is England still considered the center of the universe?”




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How many times does the Reformation need to be Reformed so it will be “neat and clean.” If I open the Anglican Cleansing Car Wash and Church Cleaning service, will the New Anglicans all drive their churches through?
By the way, since when did Nigeria become the center of the universe. I haven’t read any Nigerian newspapers on line for a while; it’s probably time to see what they are up to these days.
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Another time of reformation, yet without the violence of the first one. Good for them!
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AUTHOR: Thomas Jefferson (1743–1826)
QUOTATION: The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. It is it’s natural manure.
ATTRIBUTION: THOMAS JEFFERSON, letter to William Stephens Smith, November 13, 1787.—The Papers of Thomas Jefferson, ed. Julian P. Boyd, vol. 12, p. 356 (1955).
A related idea was later expressed by Bertrand Barère de Vieuzac in a speech to the French national assembly, January 16, 1793: “L’arbre de la liberté… croît lorsqu’il est arrosé du sang de toute espèce de tyrans (The tree of liberty grows only when watered by the blood of tyrants),” Archives Parliamentaires de 1787 à 1860, vol. 57, p. 368 (1900).
And much earlier Tertullian had said: “Plures efficimur quotiens metimur a vobis; semen est sanguis Christianorum (We multiply whenever we are mown down by you; the blood of Christians is seed),” Apology, trans. T. R. Glover, pp. 226–27 (1931).
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Meanwhile in Nigeria:
Dec. 3 (Bloomberg) — The former head of Nigeria’s anti- corruption agency is the target of a campaign of harassment, threats and an attempt on his life after investigating politicians during his tenure, Human Rights Watch said.
However, Nigerian Anglicans are safe from the threat of homosexuality, so not to worry.
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[The thing about reading Nigerian newspapers on line on the Internet is they are written in a language that appears to resemble English; however, they also seem to come from another planet.]
As gay church arrives Nigeria, Christian, Muslim clerics declare:It’s evil!
• ‘National Assembly must fight it’
By JOSSY IDAM & PAUL OMO OBADAN
Sunday, September 14, 2008
A welter of criticism has greeted the emergence of the first openly declared gay church in the country.
Both Christian and Muslim clerics have not only condemned it, they equally dismissed it as evil.
[I love signs of peace between Christians and Muslims, especially in a country such as Nigeria, which has seen quite a bit of conflict between members of these two religious groups--Random]
In very strong terms, therefore, they want the National Assembly to enact laws to stop what they describe as a festering sore from gaining roots and spreading.
The Archdeacon of Oleh Diocese in Delta State, Ven. M.A.E Igri, in his reaction, said “the church is not biblical and out of tune with God’s plan. God created man and woman to be married to themselves. [? Sounds kinky to me--Random] The situation where a man will be married to a man is wrong and unacceptable.”
Coincidentally, while the Lagos debauchery was on, Anglican priests in Nigeria were holding an All-Anglican Clergy conference at Nsukka, Enugu State, where they spoke against gay marriages that is [sic] currently threatening the cohesion in the Church.
Similarly, the National Missioner of the Ansar-u-deen Society of Nigeria, Abdurrahman Ahmad called on the National Assembly to legislate against homosexuality in Nigeria.
Said he: “All people of conscience and people of faith must rise to fight this evil.”
Genesis
For the first time in Nigeria, men who openly declared themselves as homosexuals gathered penultimate weekend at a church in Ojudu, a Lagos suburb.
Under the auspices of a yet-to-be registered church – House of Rainbow Metropolitan Community Church – the men held a seminar and night vigil.
The heavily guarded event paraded men who wore necklaces, rings, conducted themselves and spoke softly like women. [conducted themselves?--Random]
Grand Irony
Ironically, the homosexuals held the fiesta in the hall of United Bible University, Yakoyo Road, Ojudu, Lagos. The venue also serves as a place of worship for Christian Pentecostal Mission (CPM). The event, Sunday Sun learnt, was championed by a lawyer and Theologian, Rev. Roland Babajide Macaulay. On the days of the event, a retinue of mean – looking, ill-tempered security men barred our reporter from entering the venue and meeting the men.
However, when Sunday Sun revisited the place Wednesday evening, the hall, SARRMAC Auditorium, was being arranged for an evening worship by CPM. The church’s minister distanced the CPM from it.
“We have no connection with them whatsoever. We only hire this hall for service. We don’t own it,” he said. But he however, acknowledged hearing of the event.
Unmasked
As revealed by a plaque on the wall of the auditorium, the building was commissioned by the convener of the event, Rev. Roland Babajide Macaulay, on Saturday, November 10, 2001.
Sunday Sun investigation reveals that the man is the son of the founder, president and director of studies of United Bible University, Rev. Dr. Augustus Olakunle Macaulay. When our reporter sought to speak with him, a female secretary of his said he was out of town.
On his own
Contacted on phone, Rev. Macaulay denied having any link with the event. “God forbid! I don’t support any thing that’s contrary to the teachings of the bible and God,” he said, sounding shocked.
Asked to comment on his son’s glaring contradictory stance, he declined, saying, “I don’t want to discuss that. All I can say is that the man is my son and he’s over 40.”
There’s more at the link below, and a photo of one of the churches, but I’m stopping here.
http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/features/newsonthehour/2008/sept/14/newsbreak-14-09-2008-001.htm
If there were no such place as Nigeria, I would have to invent it.
If anyone reading this post and the comments [especially mine]is from Nigeria, I apologize. You have my permission to insult me.
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I can’t stop. About this fine newspaper:
The Sun Publishing Limited was incorporated on March 29, 2001 to undertake the business of printing and publishing. The company’s The Sun title joined the swelling ranks of the ever-vibrant Nigerian press on Saturday, January 18, 2003 as a weekly and June 16, 2003 as a daily.
Our name says it all: THE SUN – Nigeria’s King of the Tabloids. The sun is a king of the cosmic world. That is why we call ourselves “Nigeria’s King of the Tabloids.” The essence and spirit of a tabloid newspaper go beyond the elementary distinction in size. Beyond that, a tabloid is a special newspaper that looks at news – whatever the subject of the news – largely from the human angle.
THE SUN therefore is a paper of human voices, capturing the unpredictable and unexpected rhythms of life and existence, the daily heartbeat of humanity in lucid and crisp prose. THE SUN is a mirror that reflects reality with fresh, bloodied brazenness. And, like a good mirror, it reflects life from all nuances – politics, economy, crime, religion, sports, arts and culture, fashion and lifestyle, the rich, the poor, the stars and the ordinary, the sinners and the saints, warts and all. In other words, The Sun as a tabloid mirrors the totality of people’s actions or inactions in bold and dramatic language. Little wonder that since its debut, it has really been Sunsational!
OUR MISSION
“To practise journalism in the classical tabloid newspaper tradition of presenting the news and features in an exciting style, with impact, objectivity and appeal that generate returns to all stakeholders: the society, the investors and the practitioners’’.
We pursue our mission by striving to achieve the following:
To be the highest circulating newspaper in Nigeria and Africa, which delivers superior reader satisfaction
To be the undisputed leader in newspaper sales and a dominant media content provider in Nigeria and Africa
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To use the best available technology systems to provide rich content on different media platforms
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fresh, bloodied brazenness.
Lynn, are you still reading this? Probably not. But if you are:
“fresh, bloodied brazenness” would be a great tag line for worldmagblog.
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This will teach you to “gay the thread.”
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Random;
You will probably enjoy this story, with thanks to Jim Burroway at box turtle:
The Catholic church — as part of a what it sees as a consistent “pro-life” ethic — opposes the death penalty. But the Vatican’s representative in the United Nations is opposing a measure calling on governments around the world to decriminalize homosexuality — including countries which impose the death penalty on gays:
Archbishop Celestino Migliore said the Vatican opposed the resolution because it would “add new categories of those protected from discrimination” and could lead to reverse discrimination against traditional heterosexual marriage.
“If adopted, they would create new and implacable discriminations,” Migliore said. “For example, states which do not recognize same-sex unions as ‘matrimony’ will be pilloried and made an object of pressure,” Migliore said.
The proposed measure does nothing to extend rights to anyone — unless you consider the elimination of the death penalty, imprisonment or fines for homosexuality a special right. Because that’s all the proposed resolution does: it only calls for decriminalization.
Homosexuality is still punishable by imprisonment or fines in more than 85 countries. Some, including Afghanistan, Iran, Saudi Arabia, Sudan and Yemen, impose the ultimate penalty of death. A Vatican spokesman argues that the church is against all that, saying that “no one wants the death penalty or jail or fines for homosexuals.” And yet the Vatican opposes a measure calling for the elimination of these very penalties that “no one wants.” Because, according to the Vatican, the only way to prevent adding “new categories of those protected from discrimination” is to preserve the most egregious examples of discrimination — criminal sanctions against gay people.
No wonder an editorial in Italy’s La Stampa called the Vatican’s stance “grotesque.”
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The Anglican Church of North America and the Catholic Church are merely reflecting the teaching of the moral law of the Judeo Christian tradition that regards homosexual behavior as a disorder of nature based on both grounds of reason and the Bible. Thank God, these good churches reject the loose thinking of the decadent sexual “revolution” that views one’s sexuality as a matter of simple compulsion and autonomous choice. choi
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#8 Duncan,
I do have an extreme sense of humor, but I am not sure “enjoy the story” is the phrase I would use.
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RN… a poor choice of words on my part. How about “find the story to be of interest”? Or perhaps “a perfect example of religious hypocracy”?
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I will make this a separate post, as I do not want to confuse anybody or make them think I am referring to Duncan.
There are a wide range of views among the conservative Christian community. I don’t take any particular person as speaking for or representing Christians in general.
I am person who does not consider Christianity as “true” in the sense that humanity began with two people in the “Garden of Eden” or that the “Son of God” was born of a virgin or rose from the dead, and as a person who considers Christianity as a historical phenomenon and belief system one that combines a lot of admirable behavior and a lot of dreadful behavior.
The Christian I most admire is Roger Williams. He saw first hand some of Christianity’s worst behavior, both in England, where he gave up a promising career in the Church of England to become a Puritan and then emigrated to the American colonies. As far as I can tell, Roger was a sincere Christian believer. He was also a person who saw first hand Christian behavior at its worst, where people were tortured and killed in the name of Christ, both in England and then in America, where he split with the other Puritans. The Puritans feared and took advantage of the Indians and persecuted the Quakers. Williams learned the Indian languages, traded with them, and tried as much as he could to live in peace with them. He founded Rhode Island on principles of freedom of speech and religious tolerance and he urged the other colonists to pay the Indians for the land they took from them.
I am not likely to become a Christian for the reasons stated above. There are Christians I have communicated with at this web site I find friendly and admirable. There are other people here who call themselves Christians who are not good advertisements or examples for Christianity.
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Random,
Although we hope that Christians are good ambassadors for their Lord and Savior, we often fall quite short of that ideal. There has, indeed, been some dreadful behavior throughout history by people who call themselves Christians (whether they are or aren’t actually Christians is for God to judge).
God calls us – and calls you – into relationship based on who He is and what He has done. None of us can use other sinners (ie any humans, Christian or non-Christian) as an excuse before Almighty God. We all are responsible to respond to God’s revelation of Himself in creation, in the Bible and in Jesus, the Son of God.
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Is this a reformation, or is this just a way to gain some independence and still keep the property?
I see few if any clear and bold challenges on doctrine or practice. I see even less personal risk.
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#8 Duncan,
The Catholic church already opposes the death penalty for all people. There is no need for them to sign on to a law that recognizes some of those people as a separate group entitled to specific protections, especially when such non-discrimination laws have been used against Catholic Charities in Massachussetts, effectively ending their adoption services.
There is nothing “grotesque” about the Catholic Church opposing capital punishment for all people and not supporting specific “anti-discrimination” measures that have been used to discriminate against Catholics. Unless you are arguing that “gays” are not people that fall under the category of “all people,” your criticisms are wide of the mark.
“I see few if any clear and bold challenges on doctrine or practice. I see even less personal risk.”
Those challenges were made when the renegade American Episcopalians elected Gene Robinson as Bishop. The conservators of the Anglican tradition have every right to keep their own property. They built it and paid for it while the renegades in high places lose members and new funding for new projects.
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#15 Ken
I love how the Catholic Charities in Mass. gets trotted out every time this issue comes up. They accepted public funding, and as such are required to abide by the laws of the state. They chose to close, they were not forced to.
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#13 BethD
Thank you for your message. You believe in God. I do not.
Evangelical/fundamanetal Christians believe the Bible is inerrant (starting with the story–myth to me) of Eden and continuing through a story of a Son of God who was born of a virgin and who rose from the dead. If there is a God, He made a universe where scientific laws operate. The claim that He started such a universe than arbitrarily tossed them aside to impress us seems to work for you; it does not for me.
If there is no God, humans are presented with serious difficulties. If there is a God who acts in this way, humans are presented with serious difficulties.
I appreciate your reply to me as a serious and respectful one, but it does not get me to the same place as you.
In a world where people disagree about such things, the serious question is: how do we live with each other. The behavior I refer to by some others is not helpful in that regard.
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“fundamentalist” [God made me syslexic; I take responsibility for being careless about it.]
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If there is no God, humans are presented with serious difficulties. If there is a God who acts in this way, humans are presented with serious difficulties. Fuzzy, obtuse moral relativism at its worse.
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“The claim that He started such a universe than arbitrarily tossed them aside to impress us seems to work for you; it does not for me.”
If you are looking for something that will try to impress you, Random Name, I would suggest that you get a dog.
Because I am pretty sure that God is unlikely to bother with trying to impress you.
Although you might be anyway, at some later date.
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